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Social Justice Transgender and gender identity discussion

JessFR said:
There's a big difference between not modifying your house and using their preferred pronouns, if that's what you're getting at with your analogy (and if it's not I'm not sure what other hoops are being asked of you).
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They seem a needy bunch lol
 
JessFR said:
You know just adding "no offense" doesn't make it not offensive right? ;)

I can't deny I somewhat share the sentiment though. Just that, I've met a couple people who identify as LGBT who have just been the most insufferable annoying hyper sensitive jackasses. Oh and when I say they identify as LGBT. I don't mean one identified as trans and the other as a lesbian. I mean they identified as all of it. Together. Jumping from one to another on a biannual basis and expecting everyone around them to follow along.

It's a shame cause I've met some others who have no desire for that to be the foremost part of their identity at all.
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It's okay to look at how a category spectrum borne out of avoiding being categorised simply and have an opinion its becoming so ridiculous it's laughable.

I'm pretty sure many would just eye roll and not give much thought to all the terminology as it's use is designed to provoke some kind of reaction, maybe those arguing over what is what have too much time on their hands and should go get laid.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I agree with you 1,000%. I have met academics who are heterosexual who think because they lecture about drugs, sex, or whatever that they are 'queer'. I also have met an academic who is a heterosexual man who is not transsexual/transgender/transvestite, who calls himself a 'male lesbian.' Not realising that all actual lesbians even the butch ones that dress as drag kings, take on men's names, and use dildos like a cock would get very mad about this.
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My girlfriend and I were talking about this today. I have a friend who I hadn't seen in a long time, and I saw him recently he kept referring to himself as queer. I thought he was trying to say that he's into both men and women, but in reality, he is polyamorous, he is in 3 (straight) relationships at once, and his partners are all in other relationships too, and everyone is okay with it. Apparently that is "queer" now. For some people it seems to have become a blanket term. It makes me feel like people who are "queer" in the sense that I have always understood it, ie, differing from straight, might be somewhat offended at a straight person referring to themselves as queer because they are polyamorous. But I don't know. We always used to just refer to that as "polyamory".

My girlfriend visited her sister recently, who is gay, and is part of a pretty isolated community that has become very militant about their sexuality. Her sister was treating her like she's a total plebe because she's heteronormative, like, come on sis, get with the times. Almost like a protest. Recently, she's decided that you have to call her "they", and she's taking testosterone, but gets offended when you ask if she has realized she's a man (just trying to understand). She says "I don't follow either societal idea of gender". Which is fine, except that she gets angry with people for not somehow being able to guess at this without being told. Basically she is just looking to be confrontational and angry, she is trying to feel victimized by society. My girlfriend says this is quite recent and from her perspective, this insular community she is a part of is quite toxic. It has become this fad for them to all try to be as non-normative as possible, and wield it as a weapon.

It's a shame because it hurts their cause. It's this kind of behavior that is what people against the trans movement and against gender fluidity as a concept use as ammunition to justify their feelings about it. Most people who are part of the LGBTQ community are not looking to cause problems with other people, they just want to be accepted for who they are. But then some bad apples who wield it as a weapon for moral superiority hurt the prospects for everyone else to gain societal acceptance, because they are addicted to feeling like a victim and imposing reverse judgment.
 
But just to clarify, this is a minority of people, and the media makes it seem like it's way more widespread in order to foster outrage. I live in a very liberal city with a lot of LGBTQ and a lot of trans people specifically and I do not encounter problems... we all coexist peacefully (I'm sure there are people who cause problems but I don't see it). A friend of mine is trans, male to female. She's been taking estrogen for a little while, but mostly appears as a guy but dresses like a girl. I mess up and call her "he" sometimes, she never cares because she knows I respect her. Usually people first meeting her say "he" and she does even bother correcting them, because at an opportune moment, our friends will let them know. She knows it's confusing to people and is just glad to have some people respect it, and to live in a place where she can feel free to express herself without persecution. It's heartwarming.
 
Xorkoth said:
My girlfriend and I were talking about this today. I have a friend who I hadn't seen in a long time, and I saw him recently he kept referring to himself as queer. I thought he was trying to say that he's into both men and women, but in reality, he is polyamorous, he is in 3 (straight) relationships at once, and his partners are all in other relationships too, and everyone is okay with it. Apparently that is "queer" now. For some people it seems to have become a blanket term. It makes me feel like people who are "queer" in the sense that I have always understood it, ie, differing from straight, might be somewhat offended at a straight person referring to themselves as queer because they are polyamorous. But I don't know. We always used to just refer to that as "polyamory".

My girlfriend visited her sister recently, who is gay, and is part of a pretty isolated community that has become very militant about their sexuality. Her sister was treating her like she's a total plebe because she's heteronormative, like, come on sis, get with the times. Almost like a protest. Recently, she's decided that you have to call her "they", and she's taking testosterone, but gets offended when you ask if she has realized she's a man (just trying to understand). She says "I don't follow either societal idea of gender". Which is fine, except that she gets angry with people for not somehow being able to guess at this without being told. Basically she is just looking to be confrontational and angry, she is trying to feel victimized by society. My girlfriend says this is quite recent and from her perspective, this insular community she is a part of is quite toxic. It has become this fad for them to all try to be as non-normative as possible, and wield it as a weapon.

It's a shame because it hurts their cause. It's this kind of behavior that is what people against the trans movement and against gender fluidity as a concept use as ammunition to justify their feelings about it. Most people who are part of the LGBTQ community are not looking to cause problems with other people, they just want to be accepted for who they are. But then some bad apples who wield it as a weapon for moral superiority hurt the prospects for everyone else to gain societal acceptance, because they are addicted to feeling like a victim and imposing reverse judgment.
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Exactly. I know heterosexual men who think because they sleep with multiple women who are prostitutes at once and have experimented with sexual kink or SM that it makes them 'queer'.

I also do not like the term queer as it is a slur and it is one of the last things LGBT people who have been murdered heard and a lot of people have been called this when they were bashed or attacked.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I also do not like the term queer as it is a slur and it is one of the last things LGBT people who have been murdered heard and a lot of people have been called this when they were bashed or attacked.
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So queer is to gay people what nigga is to black people basically? :ROFLMAO:
 
This article posted by a bl fb friend


Back to general transgender issues, so couldn't care less what anyone wants to be or do or whatever, it's just too bloody hard to even the whole thing without someone getting all freaked out, pretty important to have a decent arena that can cope with this sort of stuff.


In the article, the security is pointed at as at fault and I agree.

There is also some reference to dangers to women and children because of the speaker - Im not familiar with her (pronoun assumed) so dont know what the deal is.

The issues of kids and transgender is too cutting edge for here to be discussed so I'm not going there.


Also this meme is a funny meme yet the SRS non lol discussion following was quite odd, why does this happen all the time? 19803
 
Pluggle said:
Also this meme is a funny meme yet the SRS non lol discussion following was quite odd, why does this happen all the time?
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I think it's because this is not TL and people are here to post seriously about stuff, by and large, if they were trying to get lols they'd post in TL.
 
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