Tobacco spun with weed:peoples consensus

[88brenno]

Why would you want to contaminate the lovely taste of straight weed? I can rip a cone in one hit easy

 

[Verybuffed]

Why would you want to contaminate the lovely taste of straight weed? I can rip a cone in one hit easy

Because it is too strong for some people and they have to water it down

 

[drug_mentor]

^ Theres a good deal more reasons than just that. Honestly, I have never seen anyone pull down a cone half the size of straight green that almost every daily mix smoker would routinely be able to do. Sure it is easy to rip down a standard sized cone or a bit bigger, but the slower burn and increased harshness of the smoke means that you just can't get the smoke so concentrated and therefore can't get the same volume of smoke in your lungs.

I can smoke MORE weed in one hit of a cone that is 40% or a bit less tobacco than I could in a cone of straight weed, so I don't really see how if this is the case one would be 'watering it down'. I have always thought that tobacco would increase how quickly you felt the effect of cannabis because nicotine reaches the brain quicker than THC and then increases your heart rate, which presumably pumps the THC in your blood to the brain quicker. It definately seems like it hits faster to me when I smoke a mix, but perhaps it is really just the head rush of tobacco keeping me entertained till the green comes on, who knows.

 

[Verybuffed]

^ Theres a good deal more reasons than just that.

That was sarcasm

The reason Tobacco was used where I grew up was simply to make the mix go further.

 

[Jakeperson]

Yeah I'm with D_M, if I mix I can sink a fat cone and get heaps higher than smoking less than half that size. Plus straight weed big cones will leave me coughing and spluttering all the way to a high with very heavy bodyload.

 

[smokedup]

Thanks for all the replies ppl, intersting to hear about the ammonia in tobacco possibly increasing the absorption of THC in the bloodstream. I always thought that i got higher with weed spun even taking away the stimulant effect of the baccy. The MAJOR reason everyone spins here, especially in Perth is the goddam prices. Plain and simple. I think this spin culture may have happened way bak in the day when weed would have been scarcer in such an isolated and new place as Australia. Just made it go a bit further to share around and probs got passed on to the next gen of weed smokers.

 

[Jakeperson]

Did I mention it tastes amazing with mix?

 

[flexmasta12]

If someone offered you either for free which one would you take?

I'd take the volcano, then i'd sell it and buy a brand new extreme Q :D
then spend the remaining money on as much weed as i could afford with it.

@Mr. Blonde.
Not kidding, my old house mate used to do the same thing. when he'd run out of baccy and id refuse to buy him any, hed go through all his cig butts, and empty the tobacco out. he called them charcaol bongs or something.
at that stage i was perma-stoned too tho, he just needed tobacco hits as well as weed hits (i always smoke straight)

 

[Verybuffed]

I'd take the volcano, then i'd sell it and buy a brand new extreme Q :D
then spend the remaining money on as much weed as i could afford with it.

Wow you must really be impressed with it. How often do you go through bags and are they easy to replace and customise?

 

[thestudent14]

^ Theres a good deal more reasons than just that. Honestly, I have never seen anyone pull down a cone half the size of straight green that almost every daily mix smoker would routinely be able to do. Sure it is easy to rip down a standard sized cone or a bit bigger, but the slower burn and increased harshness of the smoke means that you just can't get the smoke so concentrated and therefore can't get the same volume of smoke in your lungs.

I can smoke MORE weed in one hit of a cone that is 40% or a bit less tobacco than I could in a cone of straight weed, so I don't really see how if this is the case one would be 'watering it down'. I have always thought that tobacco would increase how quickly you felt the effect of cannabis because nicotine reaches the brain quicker than THC and then increases your heart rate, which presumably pumps the THC in your blood to the brain quicker. It definately seems like it hits faster to me when I smoke a mix, but perhaps it is really just the head rush of tobacco keeping me entertained till the green comes on, who knows.

This is a great post D_m

 

[Mr Blonde]

Something I'd like to note about speculation of ammonia and it's effects on nicotine and possibly THC/cannabinoid absorption.

The purpose of the ammonia is to convert more of the ionically bonded nicotine into it's freebase form, which crosses cell membranes and the BBB much better then ionic (cationic or anionic forms). THC, on the other hand, exists as mostly the freebase up until a pH over 8, maybe closer to 9. So I doubt the ammonia is adding any extra absorption of the THC.

 

[flexmasta12]

Wow you must really be impressed with it. How often do you go through bags and are they easy to replace and customise?

well no bags have broken, 1 is fairly stained now though, the other still heaps clean. i havent tried customising anything though...im not really sure what you mean by that?
and the remote is heaps handy

 

[Verybuffed]

With the Volcano easy valve you can make custom bags up to 12 foot long with the official bags - even longer if you had custom materials. It's a great party trick.

The remote would be very useful for preheating the unit. One thing the Volcano lacks.

 

[flexmasta12]

yeah, when i was smoking fucken hard...id wake up, set the bag on, shower then i could turn it off when i see its full while still in the shower.... ready for the ultra day wasting activity called wake n bake!

 

[Jakeperson]

Yeah the remote is also really handy for when you're too stoned to move but you really want more THC

 

[laughingheart]

I've been smoking with twist from the very beginning... I very rarely, if ever smoke straight green but after reading this thread I am considering switching over because I do notice that the high dies pretty quick (relatively) with tobacco.

There are a few reasons I use tobacco and I need tips to help "overcome" these issues so I can get on the straight green bandwagon:

I seriously melt through joints with bacco but straight green I end up choking every puff, do you just have to get used to it or?
When I roll straight green the jay almost always dies out and I have to keep relighting it (small issue), do you have to chop it finer?
I've also noticed that a cig or some twist straightens me out a bit, when I have straight green I am all muggy and off the planet but when I chuck in some tobacco or bang a cig after I get a more clear headed stoned. Is that just how it is?
I think I was originally told that bacco helps conserve the mix and went with it, true or false?

I want to drop the tobacco (I'm a pack a dayer) from my life so if there is a way to help transition easier I'd appreciate the advice.

 

[Lamplighter]

totally have to agree with space junk, tobacco ruins the weed flavour and personally i find the flavour/experience (they are very strongly linked, imo) of cigarette tobacco revolting. i just can't help it. i like pipes and cigars but cigarettes taste like rust to me, and when i try to inhale any kind of tobacco smoke (except from shisha) my lungs shut down and WILL NOT have anything to do with it. therefore smoking it with weed is not an option, and it shits me a lot when people roll joints with tobacco, especially when they know i can't smoke it. it's not very nice. especially when it's my weed!

i too have long been fascinated with the predilection of mixing cannabis with tobacco in australia, something that doesn't seem to be common in other parts of the world (based on my readings). a notable exception is of course the dutch, who smoke anything and everything, so it makes sense the prerolled joints for sale in coffee shops are packed with horrible tobacco. heaps of it too, theyre huge!

as for the pharmacology of it, i had understood long ago that thc potentiated nicotine, whilst nicotine weakened thc, but have recently had this view challenged and i haven't bothered finding out the truth of it yet.

tobacco makes it burn better

. if you can't be bothered relighting the joint a couple of times then you are pretty fucking lazy. also, the fact that it doesnt burn very well without tobacco (i still find it to stay lit the vast majority of the time) would actually SAVE you weed - it doesnt burn when you're not smoking it. anyone who smokes a pipe (tobacco) knows that patience is the key to a nice smoking experience.

re: addiction, SO many people get addicted to tobacco by smoking it with cannabis. that association going on in your head must be hard to shake off. my advice for you, laughingheart, is as follows.

I seriously melt through joints with bacco but straight green I end up choking every puff, do you just have to get used to it or?

- i think you will find the problem is you are addicted to tobacco. tobacco addicts take massive drags because they need that nicotine. conversely, thc doesnt need to be gulped down so desperately, so just take smaller puffs. you will still get stoned. plus your lungs will love you for it. it should be noted here that i read a journal article once* detailing how fast thc is absorbed into the lungs. turns out like 80% is absorbed within the first second of inhaling. so holding the smoke in just fills your lungs with shit, not more thc. that's why when i smoke, i breathe out almost immediately. no tar for me pls. (*source long since forgoteen, im sure you could find it on google scholar within 5 minutes if you tried)

When I roll straight green the jay almost always dies out and I have to keep relighting it (small issue), do you have to chop it finer?

- see above. also, there are LITERALLY THOUSANDS of plants that can be smoked, and those are just the ones with psychoactive effects. choose another one! (see below). also, if you really like that nicotine feeling, but want to smoke less tobacco, look into lobelia and cytisus. these plants, both smoked by traditional peoples of the world, contain nicotinic agonists, similar in effect to nicotine. you can probably pick them up cheaper than tobacco (no tax), they have no additives like tobacco does, and they might somehow be healthier. also you can grow them with ease and legality (it is illegal to grow your own tobacco in australia without a licence).

I've also noticed that a cig or some twist straightens me out a bit, when I have straight green I am all muggy and off the planet but when I chuck in some tobacco or bang a cig after I get a more clear headed stoned. Is that just how it is?

- this might be averted by smoking a more uplifting style of weed (sativa based rather than indica based). i know this can be hard in australia because we don't have the choice like overseas, what with seed banks and the like. maybe hash would be more up-lifting? depends. in any case the above point has relevance for this question as well; i find that mixing with damiana produces a clear headed uplifting high. then again it was smoked outside on a cool windy evening so it may be the environment that caused this effect. try smoking outside on a cool windy evening.

I think I was originally told that bacco helps conserve the mix and went with it, true or false?

- i doubt it. as i said above i believe thc is weakened by nicotine. this might be a matter of opinion or debate though. again, try mixing with something else. you know those herbs that HHH sells where they say it works like weed? try mixing those with weed instead of tobacco. i know they dont actually work the same as real weed, but its probably better to mix the weed with something that feels similar if you want to stretch it. i have heard blue lotus is good, as well as datura (BE CAREFUL!) and the like. leonotis gets good reviews too. i think the only reason tobacco would extend the mix is that you are smoking less weed every time you have a cone, so you just feel like it lasts longer. like when i was little and i would eat tiny teddies, i would break all the legs off to save for later. that way, once i was finished, i still had more! if this is the case then you are probably hooked on the act of smoking itself, so you could achieve the same effect by mixing with tea or mint or some other innocuous plant material. but my advice would just be to smoke less.

I want to drop the tobacco (I'm a pack a dayer) from my life so if there is a way to help transition easier I'd appreciate the advice.

- good move. tobacco is the real killer i think. however again my advice is just to smoke less. if i were you i would quit everything for a while. you will definitely appreciate the weed better if you lay off it for a while. and the temptation to add tobacco to your cones won't be there either.


heart, please don't take offence to my advice and feel free to disregard it, it's your body friend.

TLDR: tobacco sucks, lots of other herbs are nicer. sorry about the essay guys, but that's just how i roll....without tobacco

 

[laughingheart]

It's all good man there is a lot of good info there... i'll definitely take it all into account

 

[spacejunk]

awesome post, lamplighter - and not just because you agree with me!
welcome to bluelight
agree with the comment

re: addiction, SO many people get addicted to tobacco by smoking it with cannabis. that association going on in your head must be hard to shake off.

have several friends in this boat - what it equates to is a polydrug addiction.
sure, one is legal - but it is also the most addictive. kicking weed is hard enough for most people...

 

[Christ!]

@Mr.Blonde
Sucks your brother isn't doing much, how old are you and what is your area of profession if you don't mind me asking?

I have seen other people do the same thing as your brother, it can take awhile to break the habit. I've always found that the less work you do, the harder it becomes to do anything. You put all tasks off to the next day because you always have time to, normally boredom kicks in sooner or later and people realise they really need a job. But weed definitely makes you feel okay to be bored. It's a prick of a habit to break in that sense. Perhaps speak to him more in general about what interests him and best ways to get towards it. I've said to many of my friends that direction is the most important thing, it's what makes us work towards something. You can balance drug use or even abuse but unless you are working towards something it gets harder and harder to do so.

Yeah I don't think it's that uncommon actually...have known quite a few people in the same situation. Well said student. Glad I didn't get stuck in that rut for too long.

As for the raiding ashtrays for tobacco bongs - lol, a guy I know was notorious for that...used to crash out at whosoever house surrounded in beer cans with an ash tray nearby he could scavenge at his leisure. The dude now does accounting for a big building company ....so it's never too late.


I was first introduced to smoking bongs with a tobacco/weed mix....so it kind of stuck. It's pretty huge in certain circles/towns/cities/states, to the point where if you mull up a straight green mix people will gasp in disbelief and refuse to smoke it.

If you're used to smoking weed/tobacco mix it can be pretty unpleasant going back to straight...it can feel like your lungs are caving in along with a strong tickle. Same goes for people who aren't used to smoking mix..much higher chance of headspins/puking/blacking out with that.

Pretty sure it's all been covered already, but it's very interesting the different trends with smoking weed. For example with people who smoke a tobacco/weed fine powder mix I've often noticed they seem more bong headish, that is to say they seem more heavily addicted and require cones very frequently, and sketch out without their fix, no matter if they smoke cigarettes or not - these people seem more likely to have their lives impacted by their use in some way. With people who smoke straight it seems they can have a joint/bong whenever and enjoy it, but don't fiend for it when they run out, no matter if they smoke cigarettes or not. The people who only smoke mix seem to think joints are a waste of time.

Maybe it's just because the heavy bong heads want to make their weed go as far as possible so are more likely to mix it with tobacco? Maybe when tobacco/weed are combined into a highly combustible powder that gets slurped down in one hit it changes dramatically from what a plain green cone or a cigarette are on their own?

IT's a very deep subject if you want it to be, I miss my half-cocked stoned observations on all the different stoner 'culture' I used to see. I loved the mindset on how crazy you were treated if you didn't conform to someones local customs...