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Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

A person saying they are not crazy is evidence they are crazy!?

mmm, no, belief in phenomena that are agreed to be nonsense in this day and age is the sign of craziness. posession doesn't exist in a medically repicable sense, however delusions/schzioid thinking does. you may notice how many cases of exorcism have ended up in the New England Journal Of Medicine, just like faith healing never made it into the Lancet. And it's not because there's a systematic bias against the fields because these mystical methods work too well. If you really think there is a conspiracy to withhold effective treatments from people, that's probably also another crazy belief.

The entire purpose of mental health wards is to stabilize people so they aren't a danger to themselves and others. Lying to the staff to get out quickly is kind of stacking the deck against yourself.

I would know, i've been in a psych ward. i've been in restraints and solitary and full of haldol til I can't talk. the thing is, i got better and i don't run around whining and complaining about permanent damage that doesn't exist.
 
mmm, no, belief in phenomena that are agreed to be nonsense in this day and age is the sign of craziness. posession doesn't exist in a medically repicable sense, however delusions/schzioid thinking does. you may notice how many cases of exorcism have ended up in the New England Journal Of Medicine, just like faith healing never made it into the Lancet. And it's not because there's a systematic bias against the fields because these mystical methods work too well. If you really think there is a conspiracy to withhold effective treatments from people, that's probably also another crazy belief.

The entire purpose of mental health wards is to stabilize people so they aren't a danger to themselves and others. Lying to the staff to get out quickly is kind of stacking the deck against yourself.

I would know, i've been in a psych ward. i've been in restraints and solitary and full of haldol til I can't talk. the thing is, i got better and i don't run around whining and complaining about permanent damage that doesn't exist.


Possession is obvious in psych wards. Most of the time, the demons remain hidden, but they are still present in their host's flesh. "Delusions" is too vague. Anything can be said to be delusional if it goes against popular opinion. One day, it is possible for belief in God to be considered a delusion and I believe it was/is in some communist countries. I know for a fact that most people in psych wards are not "schizophrenic" or "bi-polar". Btw, there is LESS evidence for these disorders even existing than there is for demons. Demons are mentioned in the Bible, a book with thousands of fulfilled prophecies - God declaring things to come from ancient times. The dopamine hypothesis has NO objective evidence - only evidence that requires subjective, biased interpretation.

Most people in psych wards are dealing with evil spirits of confusion that are trying to see them eternally separated from the Living God. They want them in Hell, along with those around them. We don't know why they are so adamant about this goal, but we do know that their end is in Hell and the Lake of Fire after the Final Judgment.

What is known about demons:

They are older than the Earth is
According to the Bible, they exist in the heavenly realms ie they are extradimensional. They do not live in our 4 dimensions, but sometimes manifest in them.
They are SPIRITS OF CONFUSION
They blind unbelievers to the Gospel of Christ, and before Christ they blinded people to knowledge of the one true God

Something that messed a lot of people up is there were and are a lot of pretenders: people who pretend to cast out demons for the sake of profit! But there are plenty of documented cases of demonic possession.

The one that was in me was forced, by God's angel, to reveal itself. I thought I was the one who thought "please heal me" to the angel (angels and demons can hear our thoughts), but it wasn't me. The angel said "it is too late for you to be healed, now go." I said "were you talking to me?" The angel of God said "wait." The demon came back, forced to reveal itself, and started accusing me. They look to confuse us, sow seeds of inequity in our hearts, and accuse us. They want us in Hell. This is very real. Take heed of what I am telling you, because this didn't occur in my own mind. I can't remember most of what happened but I do remember that part. I was so messed up from the shot they gave me that I barely remember anything. I was at the brink of death for quite a while.''

There is plenty of evidence for permanent damage from neuroleptics, but I have read that it is only after long-term use that it becomes noticeable. mindfreedom (dot) org has information on it. It is covered up by the mainstream psychiatric industry (along with plenty of other things). To think there is no conspiracy in psychiatry is naive, considering psychiatry is basically one big conspiracy. Consider how psychiatry has changed the world view of the inhabitants of this world. Both psychiatry and evolution are made up, faith-based cults, and they have absolutely no objective evidence behind them. Both require subjective, biased interpretation of evidence. It is Satanic. People believe they evolved from germs and that everything is psychological. You interact with both angels and demons on a daily basis. Your brain only generates what you WILL in your SOUL (which is completely unique). Angels enlighten your mind, while demons try to blind you. That is how the war for souls is fought. Angels try to lead you to Christ and holiness. They also physically intervene in some instances and are capable of appearing in human form. Most people have met angels and didn't know they were angels. Demons try to blind you, confuse you, they use Satanic magic on you to make things impure to you (they especially like to use hypnotic anchoring), and most of all want you to be lead away from Christ (they want you to blaspheme God). Demons can't manifest in human form. The ones who did were chained in the abyss until the day of judgment. The eternal sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is final impenitence. This is their ultimate goal. The reason final impenitence is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is because He is who leads us to repentance and Christ (and His angels serve Him).

I didn't want to make this thread to be about the truth about psychiatry. Psychology and psychiatry assume a fallacy, which is that what we experience in our minds is all generated by our minds. Nothing could be further from the truth. You will interact with both angels and demons every day. Any time a thought or imagination just "pops into your head," it is coming from a spirit - not your own mind. This is what the Church (the Catholic Church) knew for 1900 years. It was only in VERY recent history that psychology took hold and things like St Ignatius Loyola's rules for spiritual discernment were forgotten. Something that is difficult to do is to learn to truly know the difference between the angels and the demons. Demons will make you feel good feelings sometimes. They are cunning.

I did not mention permanent damage. I was talking about my current situation with being addicted to high-dose tianeptine that is a result of tianeptine being one of the only drugs that helped me, and by far the most effective against this shot (for reasons I don't fully understand). Perhaps you could offer advice?

This thread has gotten off track. I mainly wanted harm reduction advice on the tianeptine and on withdrawal from it. Is it true that people have switched from heroin to kratom and experienced NO withdrawal? Kratom withdrawals are almost non-existent.

Any idea what kind of medicine they would give me in the ER to ease the withdrawal? I have read that tianeptine withdrawal is comparable to heroin withdrawal when grams are consumed daily.
 
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No I say you're crazy because of the type of stuff you are posting, I mean Jesus Christ lmao, no sane person would have responded to me how you just did!

Exodus 20:7
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain.

Jesus Christ is God.

I'm giving accurate information on spirituality and psychology. Hopefully I will get accurate information on tianeptine's danger in high doses and withdrawal. My liver is OK.

Has anyone ever heard of someone dying from tianeptine other than the one suicide? I can't find anything on tianeptine deaths other than a suicide that involved alcohol. It must not be all that dangerous, other than the addiction potential, potential for liver damage in a small percentage of the population, and withdrawal.

I wonder if death is possible in tianeptine withdrawal.
 
I typed a rather long post regarding tianeptine, but you need professional help ASAP man. I'm saying that out of genuine compassion. The one quick thing I will say is that people have switched from herion to kratom (though not without it's own unpleasantness), but tianeptine is NOTHING like heroin. Besides maybe stimulating some of the same opiate receptors, tianeptine and heroin are nothing alike. You are in for some opiate withdrawal, as well something that should resemble SSRI withdrawal, but it's hard to say for sure.

Tianeptine in it's free acid form has been relatively unstudied in comparison to it's sodium form. The literature it is in, plus the reports of many users, seem to put free acid at 50% strength, but lasting 3-4 hours. It's hepatoxicity isn't know either, but at best it's the same as sodium.

Go talk to a professional as soon as you can. Doctors can be good or bad people, just like everyone else, but the vast majority want to help you and there is no conspiracy. You are ill and need help.

Best of luck to you

It must not be all that dangerous, other than the addiction potential, potential for liver damage in a small percentage of the population, and withdrawal.

You are taking free acid. Not sodium. Maybe someone with some chemistry education could speak up, but I think it's safe to say we don't know the withdrawl symptoms with it in it's free acid form.

You don't want to be the one to find out if tianeptine WD is fatal.
 
Kratom withdrawals are almost non-existent.

That is incorrect. There are withdrawals from kratom. Some people do experience slightly easier withdrawals from kratom than other opiates, but some people also say the withdrawals from both are comparable. Basically drugs effect everyone differently.

But make no mistake, you will experience withdrawals if you are dependent and suddenly stop taking kratom.
 
NTI, just start taking Kratom my man. Tianeptine is definitely bad for you at those dosages. You should feel fine making the switch or have minimal discomfort. Tianeptine is not safe if you are taking that much. Liver and kidneys iirc. Stop taking so many drugs in AP withdrawal. It will make it worse. Everything makes it worse. Just chill and wait it out man. This too shall pass.
 
Try weaning yourself off and when you withdraw have a nice hot bath 2 paracetomols food and bed and you should be right as rain
 
I tried going cold turkey today. IMPOSSIBLE.

If I were to run out, idk what I would do. It feels like at 24 hours it would be potentially deadly. I made it about....3am-8pm. At 8pm I dosed.I was wd so bad that after the dose hit me, I was still withdrawing. It wasn't until 3-4 doses that I stopped withdrawing (even when it was giving me a buzz I was still withdrawing!)

This stuff is no joke. I was hot AND cold, sweating, aches, pretty bad pressure in my whole head, a general "nasty" feeling (can't describe it, but I just felt...like.. gross - and it was one of the worst if not the worst part of the wd), and I was only around 12 hours in when this stuff started getting completely unbearable. Surprised I didn't dose until 7-8pm. I felt like I was in some kind of chamber with poisonous gas or something. As I was hot and cold at the same time with the insanely bad "nasty" feeling, I started to think about Hell and how bad it must be. Good thing God is so infinitely merciful, or I would be completely terrified. The Church teaches only those who choose to go to Hell go to Hell (those who choose to reject God's grace and commit grave sins with full knowledge and deliberate consent). I would never choose Hell over God! I know when this is over, I will be thanking Jesus a lot more for saving me from Hell!

I tried.

New plan:

Every day when I wake up, I am going to withdraw for as long as I can. Then, hopefully after atleast 12 hours (I was dosing 24/hrs a day and night before), I will take a huge dose to stop the withdrawals and then dose the rest of the night. Wake up and do it again. I doubt I will make it more than 12 hours tomorrow, though, because the pressure is still pretty bad on my head and I have been dosing for 8 hours. The pressure started to build during the withdrawal and it got unbearable before I dosed. After I dosed, the pressure became completely bearable but it was still there and STILL IS 8 HOURS LATER. What happened? Is my brain shrinking or something (joke, kind of)!?

I will probably end up dosing when the "nasty" feeling starts to get hard to bear through. I know it won't be long before I can't take it anymore, once I get to that point.

Maybe I can try withdrawing for 12 hours/day, and then dose for 12 hours/night, and then do it all again until I am used to this schedule and I don't withdraw from it. Then I could start knocking an hour off every...half week to a week or so.

Is there any reason my plan is dangerous and/or unwise?

And WHAT IS THAT NASTY FEELING??? It feels so bad. It's like I feel....I can't describe it. It's almost like this. The opiate aspect of tianeptine along with the SSRE of it brings GREAT comfort to me. It makes me feel very comfortable and clean. The dirty feeling is the opposite. I feel very uncomfortable (in the exact opposite way) and DIRTY!

But I don't mean it feels like I haven't showered. It feels like my very flesh is dirty. Like my body is dirty in and of itself. KIND OF but can't explain it. I never felt anything like it before. Anyone know how to counteract this? it is probably the hardest part of withdrawing!
 
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Is there any possibility for you to taper or got to rehab? Because this sounds like you really need some help man. This pressure could also result from constantly taking massive doses, like a side effect or so.
 
This pressure in my head is really wierd. I haven't been withdrawing for 8 whole hours now! All other symptoms are gone. The pressure in my head is still at 75% of what it was in the withdrawals (maybe a little less). Am I hurting my brain by withdrawing?

Someone please help before 8am est. I am planning on stopping dosing at 8am and not dosing again until 8pm. Im staying awake all night for this purpose. I can sleep through most of the w/ds HOPEFULLY. Am I in danger here?

I can't believe I made it as far as I did.

I only made it that long because of God's grace. I begged God to take away the RLS and He took it away all together throughout the whole withdrawal NO RLS. God is helping me, but I can't do this. I asked Him to heal me all together and He hasn't yet. He has, however, taken away the BAD BAD BAD restless leg syndrome that even 4 hours of withdrawing used to give me. The RLS was so bad. I'm so thankful that He has taken that part of this away. I don't know why He didn't heal me all the way, but I am just thankful for the grace that I do receive from our Blessed Lord! I can't wait to be free. I will never take it for granted. I will never do drugs again, outside of what doctors prescribe, and I will love every day of my life. I am going to spend my days praying, reading the Word, going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist EVERY DAY, and reading about the Saints. I am never going to watch TV or play video games again (atleast, not just for fun), especially not every day, and I am going to avoid sin at all costs. I want to be a Holy Saint. I will never take it for granted. To be able to just be at peace, read the Word of God, pray, go to Mass, and love God..... If I get through this (and with God's help, I know I will make it through this eventually), I will be the happiest person on the planet just doing those things for all of my days - knowing if I die in a state of grace, I will go to Heaven thanks to Jesus! I would not have made it through any amount of wds at all if God did not take away the restless leg syndrome, which when I was withdrawing before actually went all through my body - making my whole body completely restless.

Help me! Anyone who has good advice, please help me - you will be helping me do God's will!
 
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bro.. i seriosuly feel for u... im going thru withdrawal atm from Butyr-Fentanyl.. which is no joke. but i am managing. i live in a third world country. i dont get hot showers or most comforts u guys in the states have. i do have OTC tramadol.. this has surprisingly helped a lot/ i still cant really sleep but it took away the most uncomfortable parts of the withdrawal..
if u can get something else.. u need to taper off the opiate your on with something longer lasting. get suboxone prescribed. it might help after 24 hours. u will need to make it thru 24 hours tho. can u get H? i think it would be safer to switch to a known opiate for a week, then taper off that. at least u know what u will be in for.. ie. its been experienced by thousands.
hey btw i dont think your insane. most people have no idea about reality. angels and demons are real as u and i. best of luck to you brutha
 
hydr0m0rph (and NoToInvega), are you able to get memantine (admenta from Sun Pharma/India is really cheap for example)?
hey btw i dont think your insane. most people have no idea about reality. angels and demons are real as u and i.
Yeah. Just that everyone uses different words for the same.
 
I don't believe you are harming your brain, just keep at it. If you continue doing as well as you have been doing I think you will be out of the WDs pretty soon. My hat is off to you for making it this far CT.
 
If there is something that I have learned, it is that God often lets us wait, so that we learn to trust him.

"And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God." (Zecharia 13:9)

You should not unnecessarily bring yourself into a desperate situation and then expect God to help you. That would be akin to testing the Lord. God expects us to use our own resources to the best of our knowledge before turning to him for help.

So I would strongly recommend you switch to something like Suboxone and wait until you no longer feel the effects of the Invega Sustenna before you taper off and withdraw.
Particularly if you feel you are still occassionally being attacked by the demons. According to St. Ignatius of Loyola, demons retreat from vigor, but mercilessly attack weakness. So you shouldn't unnecessarily weaken yourself at this point. Rather, get on the Suboxone, continue praying and wait until God shows you how to proceed. I'll pray for you.

If you want to you could try withdrawing with the help of Kratom. I'd advise you to also get a few days worth of a Benzodiazepine. The combination of those two should certainly make the withdrawal more bearable. If it's still too hard, you can use the Kratom for the transition from Tianeptine to Suboxone.

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You are obviously mentally ill dude... Of course you won't believe that, because crazy people don't believe that they are crazy. That's the definition of insanity. No you are not possessed. No other people in the psych ward are not possessed. No you aren't hearing demons. You are just really in need of psychiatric help my dude...
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mmm, no, belief in phenomena that are agreed to be nonsense in this day and age is the sign of craziness. posession doesn't exist in a medically repicable sense, however delusions/schzioid thinking does. you may notice how many cases of exorcism have ended up in the New England Journal Of Medicine, just like faith healing never made it into the Lancet.

If I'm not mistaken he no longer hears voices and doesn't believe to be possessed. He merely doesn't think that his experience was one of mere psychosis and I think that's understandable if you look at his description. Anyways, if that is insanity, then most Christians would have to be considered in dire need of medical attention.
 
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This is an interesting drug, I'm surprised I haven't found an interest in it earlier on.... how can a TCA play with opioid receptors, this chemical is wicked in regards to what it does.


How safe is this stuff? Is it practical to use as an AD and anxiolytic?


If I react really badly to a TCA (trazodone in specific), would I have adverse effects to tianeptine?

Trazodone drove me crazy... literally.
 
My experience is this

I first bougt it about 8 months ago, and when I started I was using between 100/200 mg per session (orally) and was dojng that twice a week

Fast foward I started using bigger amounts every 2 days till I was using 400mg per time

I'm down to once a week because my tolerance has skyrocketed

I also don't feel as if it's all to safe at this dose as it gives me flank pain (straining my kidneys I suspect)

Need to lay off for a few months I think

Tolerance builds incredibly a Fast for a drug that is cool but doesn't last very long......and do not shoot it, people have been known to fry their veins with this
 
recommended dosage is 12.5mg 3x a day. i don't think it is valuable as a recreational drug.

i found it mildly interesting in terms of anxiety reduction at the recommended dosage, worth trying if your interested by it.

very minimal side effects, i experienced none as most people do.
 
This is an interesting drug, I'm surprised I haven't found an interest in it earlier on.... how can a TCA play with opioid receptors, this chemical is wicked in regards to what it does.

How safe is this stuff? Is it practical to use as an AD and anxiolytic?

If I react really badly to a TCA (trazodone in specific), would I have adverse effects to tianeptine?

Trazodone drove me crazy... literally.

Ironically, Trazodone *isn't* a TCA, it just feels like one (i.e. serotonin reuptake inhibition + histamine antagonism). Also, unlike TCAs, Trazodone has an active metabolite called m-CPP, a Piperazine-class stim that used to be pressed into some of history's worst "Ecstasy" tablets, so that might be the reason you reacted badly to it

Anyway, Tianeptine is a pretty good antidepressant drug whose effects have been likened to a mildly stimulating opioid, like a very-low-dose Oxycodone... which is unsurprising because they relatively recently found proof for its activity as a µ-opioid agonist. However, for truly recreational use, tolerance is probably going to build too fast... medicinally, the drug seems to be almost always prescribed in a "one size fits all" daily dosage of 3x12.5mg/day. While it is naturally possible to increase the opioid effect if you take a higher dose, your tolerance will quickly rise to match it, so you might as well stick with 37.5 mg/day... if you're just planning on abusing it, there are probably cheaper, longer-acting opioids out there.

Edit: Here's the structure for Trazodone. The name presumably refers to the structure on the left, Triazolo-Pyridin-one - quite different from a Tricyclic... it actually reminds me more of certain antipsychotics like Aripiprazole, Risperidone or Ziprasidone.
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This drug is a disaster for rec use. I bought 10 grams of the stuff because it was surprisingly cheap but I didn't know much about it besides it is slightly recreational.

I started using using 50-100mg doses a few times a day but that very quickly increased. My tolerance shot through the roof and two weeks after I got the 10 grams it was all gone. At the apex of my use I wasn't even measuring the powder anymore, I was just taking that little 12.5mg scooper you get with certain brands and piling probably 5x that amount on there and taking 3 or 4 spoonfuls at a time at least 10 times a day. Once I ran out I was in pretty bad withdrawals and my tolerance to oxy jumped from 15mg to nice and warm to 30mg, all within a couple weeks.
 
I just took Tianeptine for the today for the first today (recreationally)

First took 80mg... felt warmer within 20 minutes, pretty sedated... overall a great feeling, similar to tramadol or low dose perc.

An hour later I took 160mg... within 20 minutes of that dose I was warm, fuzzy, and itchy all around. I actually even kind of "nodded" out for like half an hour while listening to music. Woke up feeing refreshed and here I am now.

I have no opiate tolerance currency, and I'm not a recreational user of anything. I just happened to pick Tianeptine while ordering nootropic and thought itd be a fun go. Don't get your hopes up too high, definitely won't get you super high or anything crazy, but good for a rainy day.
 
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