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Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1
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MDPV_Psychosis
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Probably not a bad thing then. Some people find Tianeptine to be quite enjoyable and don't experience much unpleasant side effects. I've known too many like this who have fallen victim, Then it often doesn't take long until they are taking 5g of Tianeptine sodium or more a day. For example, I have friends using over 10g a day.The withdrawals from such high amounts is just god awful and crazy intense...
I never experienced that. In fact I've felt the opposite. The next day, after taking say a gram during the previous day, feels great.
Tianeptine is short lasting but if you take a giant dose the body struggles to get it out of you and it can be felt for 24 hours.
I can't sleep for shit right after taking tianeptine but 12 hours after taking a giant dose I sleep like a baby.
However either something in me changed or the tianeptine synthesis quality changed (or likely, both), because these days I don't get any of the magic I used to get from tianeptine. Just sort of an edgy, dirty high and a ton of side-effects (nausea). Each time i try it again these days I tell myself, "this is the last time I'll ever buy this again". The problem is, when it comes to drugs, the mind seems to remember the good and forget the bad.
4meSM
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Is it normally sold as a mixture of enantiomers? Maybe only one enantiomer is responsible for the good effects?
I quickly glanced through a Chinese patent regarding its synthesis and didn't see any mention of chirality.
Although it seems like the enantiomeric ratio would be highly dependent on the optical purity of main precursor.
So maybe something did change, or it could be perma-tolerance.
I'll probably never tried tianeptine unless it somehow falls on my lap or someone gives it to me as a gift.
I always assumed it was sold as a racemate but that definitely is a functional of the starting material. I would imagine that there are likely profound differences in the effects of the + and - enantiomers. One of those is probably more opioidergic than the other, maybe the (-) enantiomer?
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Sounds like the kind of bizarre reactions I have to certain drugs. Irritability, anger, etc. I've been avoiding tianeptine like the plague for years as it will ruin the love of my life (kratom) and give me yet another substance to kick. Thanks for this information, it only adds to my determination.
MDPV_Psychosis
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Truer words have never been spoken. Even being fully aware of this my mind still manages to trick me, or I just let it trick me...
And then there is the whole thought of "it'll be different this time" (HA!) even though it was exactly the same all 57 previous times and I had thought it would somehow be different before each of those times as well
Something something the definition of insanity
My god I'm pathetic (and the kicker) currently hooked on Tianeptine as well
At what dose/day? Sodium?
MDPV_Psychosis
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FWIW, I am a long term opioid addict going on 20ish years since discovering them. Of those 20 years, 15 of them were spent locked in physical/mental dependency. All sorts of the usual pharmaceuticals, plus some time on poppy pods, kratom, short while on low dose methadone and a couple years on buprenorphine which I then finally managed properly taper and then got clean for a couple years.
Then I fucked up: tried Tianeptine and allowed myself to go with it. Just had a 'fuck it' attitude and knew exactly what I was getting myself into.
Been on Tianeptine daily now going on seven years. For quite awhile in the beginning was using 3-4g sodium per day. Eventually realized it was not sustainable, switched to FA and then tapered down. Got all the way down to somewhere around only 200-300mg per day and maintained it for months.
I could have easily quit at that point (and should have) but wasn't ready to I guess. Since then my use has fluctuated. I let things slide and work my way back up to like 1-2g of FA per day then spend weeks/months tapering back down to like 500mg or whatever. Then I slide again, taper down, slide, etc.
I'm tired of it and finally ready to stop. Have been tapering since the beginning of the year, currently getting by on 800mg FA per day. I've been on it so long now that I've found that tapering too quickly really fucks with me. So I am going very slow and steady. My plan is to get as low as possible by summer then stop finallly. Maybe a very short taper (just a couple of days max) with low dose bupe if needed.
Mostly I'm worried about an enduring an extended period of paws after so many years of daily use combined with my already long history of opioid use.
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Agreed. I read the threads and honestly @MDPV_Psychosis (thanks for posting, you helped me avoid this) was the one person deciding factor in me ust leaving it alone and not ordering any. Though the years I have been on opiates of some sort. Life got better on poppy tea, after heroin and methadone, when the balance allowed me to function. And the fact I can now remain ok on an amount of kratom in the morning and late afternoon means I got the balance as far under control as I could and I don't want to ruin that with a substance that could screw with kratom tolerance. Kratom is enough for now after a life of imbalance. I thank it everyday. It has been more forgiving than anything else in my life. If I did not get my poppy tea I could barely get out of bed and lived in a nightmare. If I don't get my kratom I get a little chill, little restless than can be quelled by cannabis. lol
So yeah, more harm reduction here at BL. drewbocop and I made a good decision base off of others experience.
I think it is fine to maintain on an opiate and to do that the tolerance factor has to be looked at. Seems tianeptine can steam roll kratom like poppy tea could and kick up the tolerance.
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Dang. I never got to much more than 2g a day at most then tapered down and quit.
As someone who has been using it for years have you noticed a shift in quality? The sodium from 2016 and 2017 seems much different than the sodium available these days. It seems less euphoric and with far more side-effects. Do you notice this? It might be just me.
Sodium is the recreational one due to speed of onset. Neither is safer (they both are pretty safe inherently but should be avoided due to addiction potential).
MDPV_Psychosis
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It seems more or less about the same but it's hard for me to say exactly as I've been using FA mostly now for several years. I occasionally buy a bag of sulfate just to mix things up and for awhile I was occasional picking up small amounts of the iodotianeptine when I wanted something with a bit more kick.
i do remember that a little while after I made the switch to FA there were some wide spreed complaints of crappy sodium for a time. But I have picked up a bag of sodium once or twice in the last couple of years and as far as I can tell it seems to be about the same as I remember it.
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Damn dude idk how you've kept this up for 7 years, I got to like 5 or 6g of sodium a day within a year. Maybe two, time was kind of a blur back then. I've been off of it for 5 years now and I still get the temptation to order some even though it was hands down the worst WDs I've ever experienced and the hardest thing I've quit. Nothing would give any relief. Bupe didn't help, kratom didn't work, got hooked on a shit ton of lopramide for a little while. It came down to shooting fent for a couple weeks because that was easier to quit. I couldn't stick the taper because I had to function for work and kids and it was unbearable. Maybe I was tapering too much or too quick though. I hope you can stick to your taper plan and be free from it. I should also note that fent wasn't great to get off of either but I've been through many of those relapses. Eventually I decided I was going to use kratom as a maintenance med and have been doing that ever since. Granted my kratom tolerance is getting high and the wd sucks too but I'll pay that price to stay off the other shit. Good luck brotha, you can do it
That's crazy, yes I've heard that only fentanyl really substitutes for a high dose tianeptine addiction. Only got to 1-2g a day and tapered off and quit.
Fortunately i don't like it anymore more. It doesn't do the same thing it used to do.
How much kratom are you taking these days?
Pickledlemons
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A couple years ago I tried and tried to but could not get any effect whatsoever from tiapentine. Which is weird cause I'm the kinda of guy that can feel half a beer. And I can still feel a teaspoon of kratom after ... 6? years of opioid dependence. Probably a bunk batch or something. I still have it around here somewhere.
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I was at the point where I had my mind set on starting to IV it, started messaging a guy from here about the safest way to do it (there really is1 no safe way). His reply was what deterred me and gave me the motivation to really try to quit for good.i don't really want to post it because I'm not sure if he's cool with that and don't want to give anyone any life ruining ideas. If you're thinking about doing it, I strongly suggest you reconsider, it's really not worth all the negatives.]y
The kratom I'm at roughly 2oz a day. 7.5g doses throughout and about an oz I take to work in a thermos.
How were you able to quit? 1-2g a day wd was still pretty terrible. The anxiety was the worst part for me I've never felt anxiety before that so I wasn't prepared. I've pretty much had mild anxiety ever since but it's mostly controlled withe the kratom. One thing I didn't try at the time was benzos. They usually just knock me out but I don't think I could've gone to work on those.
The kratom I'm at roughly 2oz a day. 7.5g doses throughout and about an oz I take to work in a thermos.
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Was it the sodium or the FA? And how much did you take?
I tapered down and quit then switched to kratom.
I had been using it off and on for years then got hooked with every day use for a few months. The problem with tianeptine sodium is that once you get addicted withdrawal can kick in just 3.5 hours after dosing. That was when i decided to quit.i think i got down to like 60mg every 4 hours and just jumped off. Interestingly i developed some reverse tolerance where i could really feel that 60mg more than i could normally. I made a liquid solution which really helped. The withdrawal from that ~240mg/day was still rough.
Note that i used to be a very heavy opioid addict and once got off a 380mg/day methadone habit so perhaps im more experienced with withdrawal (although at the same time that makes my withdrawal syndrome worse).
The plus is that i found tianeptine withdrawal to relatively short relative to other withdrawal syndromes (with a kratom withdrawal like time line). Definitely severe though and different feeling than other withdrawal syndromes. More depression and more muscle spasms/twitching.