Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

[Pickledlemons]

Were you able to stay off tianeptine negrogesic? are you still on kratom instead?

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Damn dude idk how you've kept this up for 7 years

Only the first year or two I spent taking sodium while chasing the high. Got up to like 3.5g a day and realized it was definitely not sustainable plus I was getting really annoyed with the side effects. So I switched to FA then slowly started tapering. Got all the way down to like only 200-300mg of FA per day and kept it up for awhile but have fucked up a few times and started using more for awhile, then would just taper down again. So most of these seven years have been spent just maintaining on lower doses of FA (most of the time less than a gram a day), I'm not chasing that high anymore. Just keeping myself out of withdrawals while still enjoying some benefits with very little side effects (aside the from physical addiction, one hell of a side effect!) Finally ready to quit and taking steps to make it happen this year.

 

[ickray]

I just saw a site selling the "free acid" form. It's way more expensive. What is the difference between the sodium and free acid powder?

 

[Bu8gzy]

Hi, I wondered if any of you wonderful people could help/advise me. I tried posting this to Reddits Tianeptine forum but was automatically removed right away for some reason.
Firstly a little bit my mental health and addiction/substance abuse history.

For as long as I remember I have suffered with severe social anxiety and depression. When I say severe, I mean it has had a significant and ongoing impact on my life to the point where I have come close to the edge on a number of occasions. This has led to to attempting to cope through substance abuse. I am a recovering alcoholic, 3 rehabs and now 2 years sober. I am also an ex IV heroin and coke addict, have been cross addicted to many other substances (you name it, I've probably done it) have been on and off benzo's for 10 plus years, currently am prescribed Clonazepam 2mg per day (down from 6mg a day 5 years ago) on a reducing dose, use about 4-8 grams of kratom a day and 2-3g's of phenibut.

I used to have a chronic Phenibut addiction (10 years ago) before I was as clued up to it's dangers (worst wd ever btw, if your gonna take phenibut for anxiety, make a plan and stick to it, I can dose as heavily as I am at the moment because I have a tried and tested tapering method which means I get 3 good months and then a month of mild agitation, a small price to pay for me for the benefits i get from it but I would never advise anyone else to do this as if you don't know what you are doing you can end up in deep trouble very quickly!)

Anyway, back to the reason for my post. After doing an awful lot of reading up on the subject and taking into account the many anecdotal reports on here and other forums as to Tianeptines efficacy around elevating mood and relieving anxiety and with a healthy regard for it's addictive properties I decided to bite the bullet and ordered a gram of Tia Sulfate from a company (I won't name yet as I haven't spoken with them) that delivers from the UK. I received it, fab service and I was honestly quite excited to try this novel compound. After an allergy test I started with the suggested dose of 50mg using the microscoop included (empty stomach apart from coffee, phenibut, .5 clonazepam and 1-2g of Kratom) waited two hours, nothing. So i upped my dose to 100mg, again waited 2 hours nothing, maybe a slight placebo effect, so I did something quite irresposible and took another 300mg, thats nearly half a g and half my tub, by the evening there may have been some effect (smoked 2 joints also) felt a bit tired but no pronounced effects like other users have reported.

This morning (next day) I decided to try again and dosed 150mg on an empty stomach and only had 1g of phenibut and a cup of coffee. Took the dog out thinking I will certainly be able to feel it kicking in if i'm out and about having to interact with other humans, still little to no effect. ROA - I have been just putting the powder on my tongue and washing it down with water. At this point i'm pretty dissappointed and would like to know if in any one with significant experience with Tia could advise me as to whether I am just expecting too much from this or did I maybe just buy a bunk batch. I was hoping for something to give me a lift and maybe a bit of fun and relief for a day or two now and then, Something in my arsenal against this shitty disease.

I am well versed in addiction and after many years I absolutely know where my limits are and am very careful with what I do, when I do it and how I do it so although I appreciate the concern please no lectures on the dangers of addiction, I know Tia is not something to be taken lightly.

Many thanks, Blue

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

Welcome to bluelight, glad to have you.

We don't allow discussion of vendors or any form of sourcing so it's a preferable that you didn't post the vendor name.

As for tianeptine, I have always found it to be astonishingly weak and surprisingly addicting for the strength. It also seemed to jack my tolerance way the fuck up too. It is honestly one of the most pathetic drugs i've tried. Maybe it just doesn't do much for some people. Also with your previous opiate addiction I imagine that your receptors will very quickly adapt and negate most of the euphoric properties of tianeptine.

Tianeptine isn't worth it, if you absolutely need an opiate in your life then kratom will be a much better suited. Kratom can form into a serious addiction as well, so don't be fooled, I have been addicted to it for 5 years and it's miserable.

 

[negrogesic]

It's probably because you ordered tianeptine sulfate (and not tianeptine sodium).

The fast acting recreational form of tianeptine is the sodium. That said you should feel some opioid effects from 150mg of the sulfate if you have no tolerance. Nevertheless it is far more subtle than tianeptine sodium. Eventually tianeptine sulfate does have clear and unmistakable opioid properties, obvious pupil constriction, etc.

I really did enjoy taking large doses of tianeptine sodium around 3-4 years ago. Very large single oral doses lasted forever, i'd feel it for a solid 24 hours. Of course those cases often included severe side effects, like vomiting. I got a bit of a habit eventually and took it daily for a few months at around 1.5g a day. The withdrawal was not fun but relatively short (kratom helped).

Yet in more recent years my attempts to enjoy tianeptine sodium have been met with frustration. I don't feel the same high at all, but definitely all the side-effects. The euphoria is a fraction of what it used to be. Not sure if its me or if the synthesis quality of tianeptine has changed.

Maybe its good it didn't work for you (and that you didn't get sodium) because it is very addictive stuff.

On a side note I have a bit of a phenibut habit. Or perhaps more than a bit (4g/night). You mention taking part of your phenibut during the day? How does that work for you? I take my entire 4g all in one dose at night. Personally I hate the stuff, I only got on phenibut after quiting gabapentin and get crushed by the brutal insomnia.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I must have missed that he was using sulfate. My post is all in reference to tianeptine sodium

 

[Tryptamite]

I'd imagine mg for mg the FA is stronger than sodium and sulfate salts.
Overall effects should be same

 

[TiAMaTteRs]

Hey there, Ill start with saying that I've had a great deal of experience with tianeptine recently and many other substances in the past similar to you.

First-
Phenibut and tianeptine do not have a good synergy. They cancel each other out in my experience, though the science behind it doesn't quite make sense for me. Same thing with Kratom and tia, which that one at least makes sense with opioid receptors.

Second- As the others said, sodium is the more potent one. Duration is usually 3-4 hrs max however whereas sulfate lasts significantly longer. It helps to blend the 2 to prevent a 2-3hr constant redose

Third- Tianeptine, when used right, is definitely one of my favorite substances. It is great for high functioning people such as myself. On the other end..the WD's suck ass. No joke, worse than h, fent, phenibut... If you let your tolerance get out of control you will suffer. Trust me, I just attempted a CT from 12gpd. Got 3 days and felt like death so I caved. Using it as a drastic taper instead.

If you have any specific questions feel free to shoot me a message..stay safe!

 

[deficiT]

Hey y'all, I just ordered five grams of tianeptine.

I have used it before, but only really got like 2gs. I think i took it in doses of like 50mg at first and then 100mg when I wasn't getting strong effects. I remember enjoying it, but not much more beyond that.

What is a good dose to start on? Considering I am using it strictly to get opioid effects, and not for the antidepressant ones. And I have a mega high opioid tolerance. I was a daily heroin user for two years, and just dropped off of 16mg Suboxone a little bit ago. I still occasionally will take 2mg, but it doesn't really have any really effects beyond ridding me of some of the withdrawal.

And, I know. It's really addictive, and as an opioid addict I'm probably playing with fire. But, imo, this is better than going back to heroin, which I have been strongly considering the past few days and I'm sure I could get some very easily.

If it spins out of control or something, I will probably just get on methadone. But I'm not there yet.

Just lmk what you think about dosing! I just don't wanna go crazy with it and start with half a g or some shit. But I just wanna know what dose is reasonable to start with for someone with a high tolerance to still get strong effects.

 

[Bryan knox]

My God what the fuck did I get my stupid ass into I've been buying zaza and taking 12 at a time 3-4 times a day averaging 60$ a day I had no idea how addictive it is and I want to stop so bad and have tried but I can't make it past the 24hr mark and kratom seems to have no effect in helping the withdrawals wtf do I do

 

[higherconciousness]

Ah yes, it’s been years since I’ve last used tianeptine, though I do recall the short duration and subsequent desire to redose. I believe this compound tended to last 2/3 hours regardless of the dosage. Usually I took 70-100mg which produced a somewhat pleasurable experience associated with anxiolytic, energetic, and pain relieving properties.

Last time I used it I was on 2-3 mg of suboxone and couldn’t determine wether it inhibited its effects. Perhaps there was a slight reduction in the opiate like effect, but it was minor. Supposedly it does work on the opiate receptors, but to what extent is still unclear. Moreover, I never experienced precipitated withdrawal from taking subs a few hours after.

I’m trying to taper off benzos and figured this may alleviate some of the withdrawal symptoms. Does anyone have any experience with this?

 

[Chloralhydro]

was on a tia kinda binge recently. Taking about 1G almost daily for about 3 weeks, probably closer to 1.5G the last week. On my second day with next to none, been using subs to get off. Crazy thing is this: I had only been using kratom before starting tia, so basically no opioid/opiate tolerance, right? Suboxone would've knocked me on my ass. Well, after using tia at around 1 to 1.5 grams of really high quality tianeptine sodium, it took TWO 8mg suboxone strips to really feel okay the first 24 hours off. That's how crazy tia raises your opioid tolerance. Trying to take at least a week off. It's a weird drug. The effects I felt from it at first were really good. Weirdly, I've discovered new effects from going over 1 G. I'm able to attain this really dreamy, VERY euphoric and warm, cozy type of high, with an almost benzo-like tranquility.
Also, one of the most addictive aspects of this drug is that it is even better than adderall for getting schoolwork, and even manuel labor and retail work done. Social enhancement/lubricant level is on par with valium. Focus and ability to complete things like college level academic essays is superior to racemic amphetamine. Only thing that's maybe equal to it is Dexedrine or vyvanse, but I think I'd honestly prefer high quality tia sodium.

Also, after having done no amphetamines for about two years, I did 15mg of dexamphetamine intranasally. I did a little buprenorphine too, intranasally (subutex). That night, while still very euphoric and high from dexedrine, I started taking tianeptine, in doses of around 100-200mg at a time and gauging effects. At the point of 300mg tianeptine, the dexedrine mixed with it so well that I had EXTREME euphoria, a lot like MDA. That kind of chain smoke cigs, sit completely still, almost bring tears to your eyes type of euphoria. As I kept taking more and more tia, the high lost a little of its crispness, but this could've been from the dexedrine wearing off in general. Smoked a vape blend of HHC, Delta-8, THC-0 later on and once again, super high. Dopamine overload. Lay in bed just absolutley tingling. Couple days later, After a final 36 hour tianeptine binge, I decided I HAVE to take some time off the tia so as to not be completely addicted for the holidays. Still have a decent amount of high quality tia in my stash and will attain more. Using subs, occasional adderall, OPMS extracts to quit the tia. Withdrawal isn't too bad once you get used to the subs. Just a little trouble with motivation, but subs always gave me that anyway.

 

[negrogesic]

was on a tia kinda binge recently. On my second day with next to none, been using subs to get off. Crazy thing is this: I had only been using kratom before starting tia, so basically no opioid/opiate tolerance, right? Suboxone would've knocked me on my ass. Well, after using tia at around 1 to 1.5 grams of really high quality tianeptine sodium, it took TWO 8mg suboxone strips to really feel okay the first 24 hours off. That's how crazy tia raises your opioid tolerance. Trying to take at least a week off. It's a weird drug. The effects I felt from it at first were really good. Weirdly, I've discovered new effects from going over 1 G. I'm able to attain this really dreamy, VERY euphoric and warm, cozy type of high, with an almost benzo-like tranquility.
Also, one of the most addictive aspects of this drug is that it is even better than adderall for getting schoolwork, and even manuel labor and retail work done. Social enhancement/lubricant level is on par with valium. Focus and ability to complete things like college level academic essays is superior to racemic amphetamine. Only thing that's maybe equal to it is Dexedrine or vyvanse, but I think I'd honestly prefer high quality tia sodium.

Also, after having done no amphetamines for about two years, I did 15mg of dexamphetamine intranasally. I did a little buprenorphine too, intranasally (subutex). That night, while still very euphoric and high from dexedrine, I started taking tianeptine, in doses of around 100-200mg at a time and gauging effects. At the point of 300mg tianeptine, the dexedrine mixed with it so well that I had EXTREME euphoria, a lot like MDA. That kind of chain smoke cigs, sit completely still, almost bring tears to your eyes type of euphoria. As I kept taking more and more tia, the high lost a little of its crispness, but this could've been from the dexedrine wearing off in general. Smoked a vape blend of HHC, Delta-8, THC-0 later on and once again, super high. Dopamine overload. Lay in bed just absolutley tingling. Couple days later, After a final 36 hour tianeptine binge, I decided I HAVE to take some time off the tia so as to not be completely addicted for the holidays. Still have a decent amount of high quality tia in my stash and will attain more. Using subs, occasional adderall, OPMS extracts to quit the tia. Withdrawal isn't too bad once you get used to the subs. Just a little trouble with motivation, but subs always gave me that anyway.

Yeah it is strong. I would say 1.5g is equivalent to around 300mg of oxycodone in terms of narcotic/equianalgesic effect. I got hooked on 1.5g/day of tianeptine for about 4 months, I believe in 2017, around the holidays. I had been flirting with it for a while before, around 6 months occasionally, then the holidays came around and I just started taking everyday.

Eventually the withdrawal started popping up after just 4 hours from dosing, runny nose, feeling cold, etc. Was really just waiting for the holidays to end so I could kick it, and when they did, i did kick it. It was definitely pretty bad in terms of intensity, but fairly quick as far as opioids. Definitely not as bad as kicking 300mg of oxycodone that's for sure.

I really liked some of the times I had tianeptine, it is definitely unique as opioids go, allowing you to be very functional while also being very high. There is was a definite sparkle to it, but it sort of lost its magic for me. I've had it since, but it isn't quite the same. Quality of most batches have gone down too.

All of its charms are lost on daily use though. At least most of them. Watch out, the holidays are coming, you don't want to get stuck on large doses of that shit like me, it is not good spot to be in.

 

[Chloralhydro]

Yeah it is strong. I would say 1.5g is equivalent to around 300mg of oxycodone in terms of narcotic/equianalgesic effect. I got hooked on 1.5g/day of tianeptine for about 4 months, I believe in 2017, around the holidays. I had been flirting with it for a while before, around 6 months occasionally, then the holidays came around and I just started taking everyday.

Eventually the withdrawal started popping up after just 4 hours from dosing, runny nose, feeling cold, etc. Was really just waiting for the holidays to end so I could kick it, and when they did, i did kick it. It was definitely pretty bad in terms of intensity, but fairly quick as far as opioids. Definitely not as bad as kicking 300mg of oxycodone that's for sure.

I really liked some of the times I had tianeptine, it is definitely unique as opioids go, allowing you to be very functional while also being very high. There is was a definite sparkle to it, but it sort of lost its magic for me. I've had it since, but it isn't quite the same. Quality of most batches have gone down too.

All of its charms are lost on daily use though. At least most of them. Watch out, the holidays are coming, you don't want to get stuck on large doses of that shit like me, it is not good spot to be in.

Yeah it's a weird one. I was skeptical at first, but my opinion has completely changed on it. People who write it off as a "shit drug" or blah blah blah clearly just haven't had high dose, high quality sodium. Had fair share of nod/opioid dreams, while at other times being super stimulated feeling really similar to being coked up. But like you say, the most addictive thing to me about it is that ability to be super opiated and euphoric/blissful and tranquil mentally while also very, very functional, if not more functional than normal in some regards.
I think I've read some of your posts in the past about tianeptine sodium. They're actually one of the things that made me get serious and go buy some subs and shit and take an actual tolerance break, not just one of those two day breaks that it's easy to convince yourself is good enough while using this drug lol.
Good thing is, it seems like bupe works pretty well, at least when you're in the 1 - 2 G dose range. I'm sure if you got up to 5 - 10 G per day (which according to reddit, there's no shortage of people with habits like that) then you'd definitely have to use methadone to quit, or at least lots of benzos and bupe, which of course has its own high risks.
Glad to hear your WD wasn't too bad, though I'm sure it wasn't good by any means. A week or so ago I took two days off and the worst part was the RLS and fatigue. I just had shit to do like work and college so I decided I'd wait and go get some subs to quit. Only taking the subs for probably 1 more day (so 3 days max) to get through those first couple days. Gonna switch to just kratom and cardio exercise afterwards.

It's definitely a pretty powerful substance with a lot of recreational potential, in my opinion. Definitely one of those ones that are a blast to take alone and go about your day and you can pretty much isolate and not feel a need to have any extra social interaction and you'll still have a blast every day. In my experience, those are the most dangerous addictions for me personally (ie; oxycodone, ketamine, valium)

The shit being legal and not popping on drug tests makes it invaluable for someone on probation, but that's just extra motivation to not ruin it with heavy abuse.

Edit: Actually you definitely tried to warn me when I first posted about experimenting with tia sodium and I responded with an overreaction and kinda rude haha. I was high on tia at the time and it definitely does make you pretty irritable until you learn to be able to control that aspect of it. But anyways, yes I'm finally taking a break after having done it pretty much since that post, with a few 2 and 3 day breaks in between, maybe one 5-day break too.

 

[Chloralhydro]

Also, just wanted to make it clear to everyone. You can and will get fucked up on this stuff if you overdo it. Like fucked up sick and puking // passing out type shit.

I've taken too much before and one second I'm on cloud 9 extreme euphoria fading in and out and then smoke one too many cigs and I'm projectile vomiting and stumbling to my room and hopping in bed, chugging water.
Probably lucky that I threw up on times like this because there was 100% a couple hundred miligrams that hadn't dissolved yet in my stomache.
There's no doubt in my mind that you could OD somewhat easily if you were eating a good amount of benzo's with it, binging, or if you somehow were able to drink alcohol with it. Or obviously taking additional opioids with it.

That time I combined with it dexedrine, I actually closed my eyes and fell asleep for an hour not remembering falling asleep when I came down off the dexedrine, almost like I was blacked out. Keep in my, I'd probably consumed around 1.2 G by that point.

Be carefullllllll with tia.

 

[Base23]

Tianeptine sodium has been a long time friend/enemy of mine in the past. I agree with your post tianeptine can be dangerous if combined with other meds such as benzodiazepines and other opiates, probably alcohol also.

Like the old saying goes everybody’s body is different. I’m about to be withdrawing off a 1-2 G a day habit for the last 6 months. Yes I’m a little worried but Tia I think has changed a lot since 2016. I’m Talking about the tianeptine sodium powder. I believe when they were closing a lot of the factories in china. I used to scrape the bag and get a very sticky substance because of the humidity that would harden up with the oxygen. I remember my first withdrawal from tianeptine sodium felt like I was going into full blown opiate heroin withdrawal then the couple days of hell was up.

I’m sorry if this is a little off topic but I have a theory about tianeptine sodium (this doesn’t go for sulfate/free acid) withdrawal. The theory of mine is that when the withdrawal first hits you it hits you like the worst withdrawal you ever had for a short amount of days, then the next time you get the wds they aren’t as bad. I think this because I have put it down and picked it back up so many times. Because people online are always saying the withdrawal is worse than heroin which I’m not a huge believer in that sense. I agree about the high doses that does do it as far as getting you feeling nice.

 

[Base23]

It's probably because you ordered tianeptine sulfate (and not tianeptine sodium).

The fast acting recreational form of tianeptine is the sodium. That said you should feel some opioid effects from 150mg of the sulfate if you have no tolerance. Nevertheless it is far more subtle than tianeptine sodium. Eventually tianeptine sulfate does have clear and unmistakable opioid properties, obvious pupil constriction, etc.

I really did enjoy taking large doses of tianeptine sodium around 3-4 years ago. Very large single oral doses lasted forever, i'd feel it for a solid 24 hours. Of course those cases often included severe side effects, like vomiting. I got a bit of a habit eventually and took it daily for a few months at around 1.5g a day. The withdrawal was not fun but relatively short (kratom helped).

Yet in more recent years my attempts to enjoy tianeptine sodium have been met with frustration. I don't feel the same high at all, but definitely all the side-effects. The euphoria is a fraction of what it used to be. Not sure if its me or if the synthesis quality of tianeptine has changed.

Maybe its good it didn't work for you (and that you didn't get sodium) because it is very addictive stuff.

On a side note I have a bit of a phenibut habit. Or perhaps more than a bit (4g/night). You mention taking part of your phenibut during the day? How does that work for you? I take my entire 4g all in one dose at night. Personally I hate the stuff, I only got on phenibut after quiting gabapentin and get crushed by the brutal insomnia.

Reading your reply sounded like myself. I’m almost 100% positive that a lot of producers of tianeptine have changed their recipe.

So it definitely doesn’t feel the same. It kinda reminds me what has happened to meth also with a comparison to the 90’s meth to the 2000’s meth. A lot of differences.

And taking phenibut like how you were taking tht I made tht same mistake. When I first found phenibut I was taking 3 plus G’s a day until one night three weeks into the phenibut binge I just couldn’t get to sleep and I didn’t sleep for a week and a half.

 

[Draygoes]

Absolutely not an overdose? I haven't used opioid in over 6 months but whenever I do usually I find i have a sort of permatolerance. But assuming I had absolutely no tolerance could 500mg be an OD? What about plugged/IV?

Somewhat caustic meaning it could cause internal damage or just be a little uncomfortable?

I'm not in the habit of necroposting/thread reviving/whatever you call commenting on a dead thread on this particular board, but I want to make sure this question gets answered no matter what.
When I haven't used any for two weeks or longer, the results are always the same. 210-250MG feels like a lot, and I don't want to feel double that feeling. If you can OD on that stuff, you're probably going to find out if you start with 500+ MG for your fist time. If I were you, and it were my FIRST dose, I'd dose at 180-200MG MAX on your first ever does.

 

[Droppersneck]

I’m glad they banned it here, there was a guy coming up from another state robbing gas stations for it here, a year before they banned it. It was cancer, but the best brand by far was Pegasus then tianna green.