Benzos (thienodiazepine) Etizolam Megathread V2

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I'm sorry crankinit. That sux. Let us know how the other roa(s) turn out. If its good then maybe using a different solvent than vodka would be better. I would have used everclear for your experiment. Vodka may not be high enough to do this. Maybe u have to get some of that peg stuff. I'm always kinda skiddish about the true potency and all of etiz powder. Not that I've had any, don't know where to safely go oviously.

Either way thxfor. Letting us know how it went.

I have a feeling that even low proof alcohol would dissolve it, but haven't tried it out as I have PEG. Everclear is way overkill - even dangerous to use to administer etizolam (unless you're making ultra strong mixtures and using micropipettes), vodka should be plenty, and maybe could still be diluted down.

 

[Crankinit]

I'm sorry crankinit. That sux. Let us know how the other roa(s) turn out. If its good then maybe using a different solvent than vodka would be better. I would have used everclear for your experiment. Vodka may not be high enough to do this. Maybe u have to get some of that peg stuff. I'm always kinda skiddish about the true potency and all of etiz powder. Not that I've had any, don't know where to safely go oviously.

Either way thxfor. Letting us know how it went.

In the end I gave up on solutions and started with 5mg powder sublingually (which should be equipotent to 50mg of diazepam, which I'm perfectly function on). I'll spare you the specifics of my slow ramping up of dosing between oral and sublingual over the course of the afternoon/night but I finally started feeling GABAergic effects around 30mg sublingual, although it felt closer to something like gabapentin or pregabalin than a benzo, let alone diazepam. I added another 30, which increased the effects but didn't make them any more desirable (I was looking in particular for anxiety relief and muscle relaxation, and this gave neither).

Very pissed off As I was looking forward to having a surplus of benzos for once so I wasn't constantly maintaining and rationing out my supply and could take a little extra once or twice a week and really chill out for a bit, but now I'm going to have to spread my stash out very carefully for the next week or two or even institute a quick taper. What a pain in the ass.

 

[kobechan]

A few months after my first post in this thread I quit cold turkey while taking 1-3mg a day, the withdrawal was indistinguishable from Alprazolam withdrawal. I'm taking a nice long break before I touch a benzodiazepine again.

 

[foolsgold]

You ate 60mg today? Your typing is pretty freaking jumbled, are you sure you're not slurring your words fucked up? If you're functional on those doses you could be in mortal danger ceasing them acutely. A doctor rejecting you as a drug seeker of benzos and not writing a diazepam script would be in malpractice territory. Opioid withdrawals are one thing, you're in no danger. Benzodiazepine withdrawals can be acutely lethal. If you run out and start feeling full on benzodiazipine cessation syndrome and climbing, go to the hospital.

shit thank you i did not realize it was that bad a situation i will see about getting an appointment first thing can get to the hospital tonight

tell you how bad it is i dont even remember write that last post could this be why i have a headache ? the benzodiazipine cessation syndrome

 

[pinpoint]

Strange, I went on a month-and-a-half binge at doses of 10mg/day and I'm 48 hours in to "withdrawal" with no symptoms of such. I've heard what could have been a rumor that certain genotypes are immune to benzodiazepine withdrawal.. is there any truth to that? I remember a couple summers ago I went on a similar binge with Xanax and had no withdrawal, just a return to baseline and minor difficulty falling asleep.

 

[foolsgold]

yes ive done stupid shit like this before but on stims normally got worse withdrawal from smoking pure noids

but like i said thanks for the warning

 

[Slum Survivor]

Strange, I went on a month-and-a-half binge at doses of 10mg/day and I'm 48 hours in to "withdrawal" with no symptoms of such. I've heard what could have been a rumor that certain genotypes are immune to benzodiazepine withdrawal.. is there any truth to that? I remember a couple summers ago I went on a similar binge with Xanax and had no withdrawal, just a return to baseline and minor difficulty falling asleep.

I was this way for a while.... as long as the binge isn't for too long u won't w/d. And u don't keep going on binges.
Ithink benzos differ from say opiates in the way that it matters more how LONG its been taken when it comes to w/d.

Also I've recently tried to stop taking etizolam. Or taper at least, to see what the w/d would be like. I was surprised that the symptoms weren't so bad. At first at least... compared to what I've read. But i am dependent for sure, w/d came eventually.;

I bet an aprazolam w/d would be worse if simply one or the other.

Etizolam is certainly addictive/dependence causing tho. Some info can be misleading when it comes to that...
?
Hope you stay feeling ok! Let us know

In the end I gave up on solutions and started with 5mg powder sublingually (which should be equipotent to 50mg of diazepam, which I'm perfectly function on). I'll spare you the specifics of my slow ramping up of dosing between oral and sublingual over the course of the afternoon/night but I finally started feeling GABAergic effects around 30mg sublingual, although it felt closer to something like gabapentin or pregabalin than a benzo, let alone diazepam. I added another 30, which increased the effects but didn't make them any more desirable (I was looking in particular for anxiety relief and muscle relaxation, and this gave neither).

Very pissed off As I was looking forward to having a surplus of benzos for once so I wasn't constantly maintaining and rationing out my supply and could take a little extra once or twice a week and really chill out for a bit, but now I'm going to have to spread my stash out very carefully for the next week or two or even institute a quick taper. What a pain in the ass.

Damn... crappy powder going aroud eh? I can handle a lot and I still feel 2mg at a time. I sure know etiz works wonders for me and many others who take brand name etiz. I get great muscle relaxation from etiz. I have sciatica so certain benzos help w/ pain. ;n fact I just recently realised why too, gaba effects and all that good stuff. Etiz works good for me other than its half life. Diazepam and clonazepam are better but aren't way stronger. Id say the 6mg diazepam = 1mg etizolam thing is a close comparison on effect/potency.

I feel for u... that would suck badly. Again thx for letting us know. Good luck!

 

[Slum Survivor]

I have a feeling that even low proof alcohol would dissolve it, but haven't tried it out as I have PEG. Everclear is way overkill - even dangerous to use to administer etizolam (unless you're making ultra strong mixtures and using micropipettes), vodka should be plenty, and maybe could still be diluted down.

I was considering how much water would be in the vodka in comparison to the everclear. At just a ml or two that wouldn't be all that bad to dose using everclear. And I was considering your suggested concentrations. but yes high proof alcohol can be a fire hazard. Mustb handled properly.

Plus I spit out the mixture when time has lapsed, for my sub anyways. Perhaps doing that would be wise if someone doest want to consume the alcohol.


Side question:


Anyone feel when mixing etizolam and alprazolam that they compete w/ each other a bit?

 

[xtcgrrrl]

I just popped 6 eziest MD pills. I don't usually do this, I just wanted to see how it felt. I just feel calm. No high, no buzz. A bit disappointed, a bit relieved. I guess I can go back to my regular dosing schedule knowing that these things aren't going to get me high. I'll probably sleep good tonight but that's about it. I want to keep using etizolam as a steady anti-anxiety drug and not go crazy on it so I guess it's just as well that these things don't get me high. I'll never be tempted to blow through my stash and can just dose therapuetically.

 

[black53]

Strange, I went on a month-and-a-half binge at doses of 10mg/day and I'm 48 hours in to "withdrawal" with no symptoms of such. I've heard what could have been a rumor that certain genotypes are immune to benzodiazepine withdrawal.. is there any truth to that? I remember a couple summers ago I went on a similar binge with Xanax and had no withdrawal, just a return to baseline and minor difficulty falling asleep.

1000 1mg pills in about three months and no real wd (uh some insomnia, but I've always had that)... never abused any other benzo nearly as much so idk if it's etiz specific or not.

 

[Slum Survivor]

Just don't give people a false since of hope that this "benzo" has little or no chance for physical dependence and/or addiction.

I do think it builds tolerance slower than the 4 main benzos I've had. (Lorazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam, diazepam). I didn't HAVE to raise my dose as quickly.

Sounds like I'm sticking to brand name blister pack sealed tabs too. Seems the powder trade is sketchy. Ugh.

Btw I just meant can the MD be just swallowed and taken orally w/o losing BA or something. Yet to try them from either brand.

I've never subL'd a benzo successfully either. Xanax tastes so bad, and I never tried with any other. I take suboxone twice a day/ vodka subL for added BA, I don't want to do any more sublingual meds than that if ican help it. Kind of a pain in the ass. Etiz hits me quick anyhow... how much can I really gain anyways. Hence my posts. thx.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

My psych finally agreed to put me on a benzo taper so i can stop etizolam..
BUT with chlordiazepoxide (Librium), which i personally find shitty for any purpose but the important part is it IS longer acting/easier to taper with than the short half life of etiz.
Im on week 2 of the taper.. down to 75mg/day clordiazepoxide.
I told my dr my tolerance was lower than it actually was because i didn't know he was finally going to offer to help me get off it.
I was taking 6-8mg/day and told him that i took 4mg/day 1mg 4xdaily.. so he gave me 25mg librium to take 4x day first week and now am down to 3x day.. ive been so fucking sick, puking, anxious, sweating, shakey, irritable, restless, watery eyes (which i usually only got from opiate wds) and i can't sleep.

In all my time off and on benzos for half my lifetime i have never been sick like this.
Maybe I just happened to catch a stomach bug along with my allergies acting up with bad timing in combo with the taper?

I donno what to do now.

Just spent the last half hour in the bathroom vomiting.

Continue taper, or take etizolam and tell my dr on Monday that the taper wasn't working or it just isn't the right time yet?
Any input is appreciated.

If i don't respond (hopefully it's because i have fallen asleep).
i feel lightheaded and faint.. suppose i should take my tempurature.. also have a really bad headache and im sweating like crazy and its only like 50-60 degrees.

Thanks peeps.

-HOOD


EDIT: its been 9hrs since i posted.. im still alive.
I feel like shit still though. It's gotta be something other than just wds cuz i shouldn't be fully wding since it only a lowering of the dosage.
Didn't stop CT.
Guess i am just sick. Fuck it, i'll get over it.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

WebMD:
Tell your doctor immediately if any of these highly unlikely but very serious side effects occur: fainting, stomach/abdominal pain, persistent nausea, vomiting, fatigue, yellowing eyes or skin, dark urine, persistent sore throat or fever.
A serious allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing.

Sorry to bump this, but this is what im experiencing.. soo maybe it isn't me being sick plus the taper?
What are the odds that I could be allergic to this one benzo but no other?
I'm not gonna take anymore today and take a couple etiz to get me to tomorrow and call my dr.

-HOOD

 

[Slum Survivor]

I have zero exp w/ librium. Had no idea its no fun to be on. I'm sry.

If you are on suboxone/subutex/buprenorphine I know it messes with how u feel from that my benzo w/d's while on subs are different, feels more like opiate w/d.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

not on any opiates.. beat those a while ago, thank god.
but i've been in benzo wds before and it never felt like this.
they were bad but didn't feel how i feel now, it's hard to explain.
i just threw up 6 times in the past half hour and haven't taken any Librium since noon.
I think i am allergic to this.. either that or extremely bad timing for me catching the flu or something.
gonna hold off on the taper until i feel better, than ask my dr (if he will still help me) to use a benzo i know im experienced with (pretty much all them except Librium)

ill be on and off BL for the night.. gonna be a long one for me.

-HOOD

EDIT: one thing i've figured out tho..
etiz is a lot better at it's job than chlordiazepoxide.
I love etiz, just wish i could get it rx'd so it wasn't "frowned" upon by people who put themselves on a higher "position" in life than me, so they feel they can judge.
This librium shit.. if it is the reason im sick, it's like poison lol.
like i said tho, maybe i could have caught some bug at a bad time tho.. i'll never know now cuz there's no way im taking the chance on swallowing another single capsule of that shit.

etiz for the win.


EDI#2:
Deff a allergic reaction to the chlordiazepoxide (Librium). Haven't taken any since noon yesterday and since puking last night I have had no bad effects besides a sore throat and headache falling asleep.
Woke up with my throat raspy and a little sore (probably from all the coughing and puking). No other symptoms that i was experiencing.
So i have determined i am allergic to Librium.
Called my dr and he said that it is obviously too dangerous for me to outpatient detox and he has never had a case as bad as mine.. (keep in mind he thinks my tolerance is only 4mg etiz a day which is roughly equiv to 4mg lorazepam [Ativan] ) so i think he hasn't had a case at all lol.. if he thinks that this is a "hard dangerous detox" i wonder what he would have thought when my old dr successfully tapered me of off 10mg clonazepam a day OUTPATIENT.
I'll do this shit on my own, he wants me to check into a hospital.. for a 4mg addiction!
He completely ignores me saying that i think i was allergic to the med he gave me in a addiction to all the pollen that has been making my allergies act up the past couple weeks.
He thinks im like dying right now.
I'm sitting here feeling fine, just a raspy voice and a throat that id call "stressed" (from coughing and puking) more than sore from something like strep throat.

To the point:
I'm better, was allergic to Librium.
When it is time for me to taper off benzos for good i'll manage, just like i always have cuz honesly.. this addiction is nothing compared to all the addictions i have beaten. My dr just likes to send people to rehab so that he doesn't need to deal with us.
Oh let me add that I call him a Dr. outta respect.. he's really a PA Psychiatrist.

 

[LFC]

The blue pills are the best in my opinion, not much around at the moment, there are the pink ones but there done feel as strong as the blue ones,
Xanax is my favourite compared to them for day time use but you can beat etizolam for night use :D

Also one thing I notice with etizolam 8 that if using as a night aid always best to take just before sleep otherwise there don't work as well and keep you up thinking all night

 

[PsychedelicHaze]

The blue pills are the best in my opinion, not much around at the moment, there are the pink ones but there done feel as strong as the blue ones, Xanax is my favourite compared to them for day time use but you can beat etizolam for night use :D Also one thing I notice with etizolam 8 that if using as a night aid always best to take just before sleep otherwise there don't work as well and keep you up thinking all night

From the reviews I read it states quite the opposite.Most say blue ones are bunk or really weak and pink ones are better. The etilaams and the other pharm grade brand being the best.

 

[LFC]

I'll have to check the brand later but the pink ones come in the blister packs where as the blue ones are in a different sort of pack,
Pink ones always have me up thinking not sure what, but the blue ones put me straight to sleep

 

[pinpoint]

Etizest > Etilaam > Pellets > *

Etizolam is not as amnesic & hypnotic as alprazolam, but it is excellent for muscle relaxation and anxiety. I can take a few mg's during the day and act totally normal whereas with alprazolam I'd be slurring my words & stumbling a lot with little memory of what I did while under the influence of it. Etizolam is a strange drug; if I'm tired & want to fall asleep it'll allow me to pass out quite effectively, but if I take it mid-day I'll experience only the relaxation & anxiolytic effects.

The withdrawals aren't bad for me - I've been on it for only a few months with doses up to 10mg/day and only experienced some muscle twitching and minor difficulty falling asleep.

 

[Slum Survivor]

not on any opiates.. beat those a while ago, thank god.
but i've been in benzo wds before and it never felt like this.
they were bad but didn't feel how i feel now, it's hard to explain.
i just threw up 6 times in the past half hour and haven't taken any Librium since noon.
I think i am allergic to this.. either that or extremely bad timing for me catching the flu or something.
gonna hold off on the taper until i feel better, than ask my dr (if he will still help me) to use a benzo i know im experienced with (pretty much all them except Librium)u

ill be on and off BL for the night.. gonna be a long one for me.

-HOOD

EDIT: one thing i've figured out tho..
etiz is a lot better at it's job than chlordiazepoxide.
I love etiz, just wish i could get it rx'd so it wasn't "frowned" upon by people who put themselves on a higher "position" in life than me, so they feel they can judge.
This librium shit.. if it is the reason im sick, it's like poison lol.
like i said tho, maybe i could have caught some bug at a bad time tho.. i'll never know now cuz there's no way im taking the chance on swallowing another single capsule of that shit.

etiz for the win.


EDI#2:
Deff a allergic reaction to the chlordiazepoxide (Librium). Haven't taken any since noon yesterday and since puking last night I have had no bad effects besides a sore throat and headache falling asleep.
Woke up with my throat raspy and a little sore (probably from all the coughing and puking). No other symptoms that i was experiencing.
So i have determined i am allergic to Librium.
Called my dr and he said that it is obviously too dangerous for me to outpatient detox and he has never had a case as bad as mine.. (keep in mind he thinks my tolerance is only 4mg etiz a day which is roughly equiv to 4mg lorazepam [Ativan] ) so i think he hasn't had a case at all lol.. if he thinks that this is a "hard dangerous detox" i wonder what he would have thought when my old dr successfully tapered me of off 10mg clonazepam a day OUTPATIENT.
I'll do this shit on my own, he wants me to check into a hospital.. for a 4mg addiction!
He completely ignores me saying that i think i was allergic to the med he gave me in a addiction to all the pollen that has been making my allergies act up the past couple weeks.
He thinks im like dying right now.
I'm sitting here feeling fine, just a raspy voice and a throat that id call "stressed" (from coughing and puking) more than sore from something like strep throat.

To the point:
I'm better, was allergic to Librium.
When it is time for me to taper off benzos for good i'll manage, just like i always have cuz honesly.. this addiction is nothing compared to all the addictions i have beaten. My dr just likes to send people to rehab so that he doesn't need to deal with us.
Oh let me add that I call him a Dr. outta respect.. he's really a PA Psychiatrist.

Fucking drs. Mine just cut me right off my clonazepam ugh.... I'm so sry u go so sick. I was gona say maybe its a coloring allergy. I'm allergic to carrots and u wouldn't believe how much food and drink is colored with it. Gives me similar reaction, throw up madness. Headache delrium etc. Sucks ass I can't eat alot of stuffor places.

U think etiz is particularly making this hard? I've been trying slowly to lower/taper with etiz and alprazolam. Its hard. First few mgs of etiz isn't that hard , then u kinda baseline. I've wondered if I'll end up needing in patient help. Not too many drs around here even nderstand bezos very well, much less give out patient tapers. Geuss there is always the ER. They have to treat u for benzo w/d. They can't refuse like opiates.

TO pinpoint: I agree its lesss amnesiac and disorienting. Great muscle relaxing. Almost gives me pep kinda.
Just sucks how short etiz duration is.

And yeah I reccommend it to person who asked. Just get brand name intas etilaam or concern etizest, they are equal in my expeience. I just dont like the etilaam packaging and its easier to split the etizest tabs in half. But non blister pack "pellets" are known to suck.