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The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

39 fatalities in prisons linked to legal highs from June 2013 - June 2015
19 prison fatalities linked to legal highs April 2012 - September 2014
76 deaths linked to legal highs in England and Wales from 2004 - 2013
7,748 deaths involving heroin or morphine over the same time
Source: ONS, Prisons and Probation Ombudsman and 23 forces' FOI responses

Numbers need no argument.
 
If a substance is made labelled as not for human consumption - human studies have not been carried out therefore its effect on humans is unknown - would that still be covered by this 'blanket ban'? The government would have to do some serious testing to determine the effects of this substance which is not for human consumption in order to effectively ban it.

Are they testing plant / fish food to gauge its effect on humans so they can determine if it is controlled substance and should be banned?
 
Sprout said:
39 fatalities in prisons linked to legal highs from June 2013 - June 2015
19 prison fatalities linked to legal highs April 2012 - September 2014
76 deaths linked to legal highs in England and Wales from 2004 - 2013
7,748 deaths involving heroin or morphine over the same time
Source: ONS, Prisons and Probation Ombudsman and 23 forces' FOI responses

Numbers need no argument.
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Wow. This ban is so retarded.
 
Just found this in the Independent published 2 hours ago cannot copy whole article, it's long and lots of images but here is the link to the headline "

[h=1]Legal highs ban unenforceable, claim pharmacologists, forensics experts and lawyers[/h] Critics fear the new law will drive users into the clutches of criminal drug dealers, whom it won't be able to prosecute

Link : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-forensics-experts-and-lawyers-a7048536.html

Sorry I forgot to mention the above post answers a lot of the questions about the 'questionable' testings by the Government for Court proceedings.
 
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I don't usually do conspiracies but it's just sprung to mind that leaving the EU would have massive implications for international supply both in and out of the country. The delay in enacting and hiding their knowledge of its impact on wider society a few weeks before half of typically far more prohibitionist Conservative government compare the EU to a Fourth Reich is perhaps a little more intertwined than we think.

*Foil hat*
 
I have kept in touch with a group of chemists who have made alot of money synthesising they're own drugs to sell over the last 6 months before it all ended at midnight but not only are they eall good, they hope to be trading again within 2-4 months as they have already found loopholes bt need to take the time so that their legalistic friends and former alumni can thrash it all out so if they do go for it , it will be as watertight as possible and would be preventable only through an amendment to the PSA 2016 (the first of many i imagine)
 
You could always make two different compounds - each, on their own, do not fall into this act but when combined ...
 
I only use the black market, My primary use of these crowds was to stock up on a lifetimes worth of benzos for prn use for my anxiety - as once i have been detoxified from opiates and 'rehabilitated' I won't ever be issued a prescription for diazepam again for love nor money, even if I was having a seizure.
 
Bearlove said:
You could always make two different compounds - each, on their own, do not fall into this act but when combined ...
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Or pH dependent conjugation of inactives with the drug supplied in a small vial with the required reagent to separate customer-side - the sellers would not be liable but the customers would be taking on the manufacture charge...
 
Sprout said:
Or pH dependent conjugation of inactives with the drug supplied in a small vial with the required reagent to separate customer-side - the sellers would not be liable but the customers would be taking on the manufacture charge...
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Yeah, I watched some legal high documentary on iPlayer last night with that Dr Zee fella and his 'methspresso' idea. Would that really get through this blanket-ban?

I suppose it all depends on what the finished product will be like. As well as his successes, he did make quite a lot of crap.
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Sprout said:
I don't usually do conspiracies but it's just sprung to mind that leaving the EU would have massive implications for international supply both in and out of the country. The delay in enacting and hiding their knowledge of its impact on wider society a few weeks before half of typically far more prohibitionist Conservative government compare the EU to a Fourth Reich is perhaps a little more intertwined than we think.

*Foil hat*
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I've had a feeling for a long time about the timing, there's more to this definitely. I don't have much to do with Google if I can help it, but bropiate and I were both chatting about 5.30am because of what was on Google news, there were several mentions of several different incidents in the last 48 hours of people getting really sick after taking a supposed 'legal high' and there was the ambulance service voicing concerns that they were being a bit overwhelmed then an hour later it had all literally gone, well I couldn't find it again.
 
ClemFandango said:
Yeah, I watched some legal high documentary on iPlayer last night with that Dr Zee fella and his 'methspresso' idea. Would that really get through this blanket-ban?

I suppose it all depends on what the finished product will be like. As well as his successes, he did make quite a lot of crap.
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Cunt, I suggested it as an option to a few people months ago!
Polymerisation was my other idea - like how BK-2CB dimerises to purple snot in aqueous solution, the dimer itself is inactive but interconversion to the monomer would allow it to be sold provided it was 100% polymerised form, even 95% dimer is still with 5% "NPS" so care would need to be taken.
Paging Julian...
 
Zees' idea basically meant cooking the compound in a bath of Hydrochloric acid for 6 hours... Sounds like a stupid idea to me, tweaked out amateurs pissing about with acids, possibly unreacted chemicals... All for a crappy bastard child of drugs we already have on the black market.

Sure, it was handy getting legal drugs of ok'ish performance through the post. Its back to illegals now me thinks unless loopholes, of which there is probably endless to be fair are exploited...
 
I watched that documentary earlier. Used to get my mushies from the rival headshop "Avalon" when I was a student there heh.

Also thought the methspresso machine was a recipe for disaster. Definitely think we're all better off sticking to the classics, health and safety trumps legality for me.
 
Was just gonna mention that doc. Typed the below before I saw others had mentioned it...

The Last Days of Legal Highs

Pretty good doc about what it says its about. Warts and all (mainly warts tbh) look at a Portsmouth headshop owners and punters in the run-up to the ban. Also features the obligatory interview with "Dr Z" talking about his plan for circumventing even strict analogue laws. I think he called it his "Methspresso Machine". Basically a consumer electronic device that performs the final stage of synthesis of *whatever" in the user's own home thus being entirely legal. Possibly. Wonder if George Clooney's gonna advertise it?

Sprout said:
I don't usually do conspiracies...
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Best one I've seen is that the Act only exists because traditional drug sales may have taken a big hit from the sale of legals. As there is a long and dark history of certain agencies of various countries playing a huge role in the creation and expansion of organised crime (especially drugs) this is not quite as batshit as it may sound at first. Gotta protect the profits and, perhaps even more importantly, keep up the charade.

No, no I'm not convinced either but it's not utterly inconceivable. More just overly simplistic. Even if some such scenario was the case it would presumably be but one factor.

Gotta <3 the tinfoil. Not only the finest in all hats, protection from all mind control rays (and channelled alien messages,) but also ideal for vaping drugs.
 
That was pretty much my thought too. He was a little light on detail of how exactly this wouldn't count as manufacturing a psychoactive substance. He only really pointed out that the substance sold would be legal, that possession of the final product would be legal. Does the law not cover things that take place inside plastic boxes? Can't see it so it didn't happen kinda thing?

Anyway, I'd say the smart money would be on 3-D printing technology. Got a ways to go but once it gets to the level of being able to "print" molecules suddenly prohibition becomes truly unworkable overnight. Although I could see Big Pharma in particular bending over backwards to prevent such technology becoming public. Can't prevent progress though - not forever anyway.
 
Or we could do it the old fashioned way and base medicine on evidence and enact policies from such evidence.
Pipe dream, eh?

People need to pick up a fucking book and learn for themselves instead of being a dead horse dragged to a river of hydrochloric acid to be poured down its throat.
 
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