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The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

so the ban is coming, is that it? :(

meh wanted to try some 2cb fly but been so tied up with stuff and i didnt find out the ban was held back and found out today, didnt contact any company but i assume everyone has stopped shipping, hypothetically no one can order something to come thursday :( rip loveable chems <3
 
yeah its kind of annoying because alot of people will go to the dark web ect, idk the laws properly but possession supposed to ok? i dnt get it all meh :P
 
The law doesn't come into effect until Thursday so I would assume that the supply of the compounds is still legal until then. The vendors shouldn't be breaking any laws if they post before that date, so you should still be able to get an order in today. I know that, in anticipation of the ban, some of my vendors have begun shipping from Europe.

From what I gather, possession won't be a criminal offence but they will still confiscate any suspected psychoactive substances. Also bear in mind that it will be entirely at the discretion of the authorities what constitutes possession with intent to supply.

EDIT: I think I may be wrong on what about the above. I just checked a couple of vendors and some of them seem to have stopped shipping a few days ago, despite having stock remaining.


I'm going to merge this with the main thread, just to keep everything in one place :)
 
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Nor do I n I wasn't sure if it was ok to discuss it. Best asking staff <3 To me this means getting my life back although I feel guilty because it's upsetting for others. I don't agree with this ban tho x

Wow that merge was fast am impressed. Yes post are open until Thursday <3

Evey
 
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FUBAR +Tor. The mind boggles. If you go down the crystal meth path for your stimulant fuelled fuck fests make sure you get a pipe and learn how to modify a lighter. Dont be wasting that stuff on foil. A meth bong is even better. Apparently SHM made a thread with detailed instructions for both.

RC's gone? Jump to Meth! HR #101 ;)
 
So long time RC benzo users; Are you stocked up? Have you tapered down? Or are you about to be royally fucked by benzo WD?

Let the seizures begin
 
So long time RC benzo users; Are you stocked up? Have you tapered down? Or are you about to be royally fucked by benzo WD?

Let the seizures begin

Ugh, it is almost exactly one year and one week since I finished my taper. I was in a real bad place with RC benzos for a couple of years, going from daily etizolam to a mixture of clonaz, pyraz, flubromazepam and flubromazolam - always sporadically throughout the day with no dosage plan in mind in massive doses. If the benzo equivelancy charts are anything to go by (and I realise they probably aren't THAT accurate), I was taking from around 150mg diaz to upwards of 200mg. The fact I was mixing benzos with different half lifes probably confuses matters even more.

Anyway, after blacking out on a night involving MXP I came around to find my bag of around 50 .5mg clonaz was missing except a few on my bedroom floor. Don't know if I tanned the bag or threw them away in a moment of madness, but the point is I was left with only a few pyraz and flubromazolam and insufficient funds to place an order for more. I don't remember it happening (again MXP, which I was abusing during this period, it was a seriously fucked up time in so many ways), but I regained consciousness one day feeling SO shit and strange, had a black eye and fucked up face (hadn't left my bedroom), felt like my muscles had gone through some SERIOUS fucking strain, my piss was black and murky, and basically I had a whole host of unusual signs and symptoms which indicated I may have had a seizure. So I knocked all the daily poly drug abuse on the head there and then and resolved to get off the benzos.

I visited my GP, and she basically said something which explained "yep, definately looks like you're in severe benzo wd syndrome BUT I'm not familiar with the particular drugs you're taking so I can't do anything." All she did was refer me to fucking councelors, which I have nothing against but it was clear that I had a serious physical issue to overcome which was obviously taking priority over exploring the psychological side of the problem. I had to spend the day going round drug councelors in different towns and taking numbers of any helpful individuals they could suggest. Eventually I got in touch with a nurse on the phone who specialised in cases such as this (can't remember what her actual job title was now). When I told her the situation, she phoned my GP back up and insisted that it was her duty of care to provide me some proper help as my situation was dangerous. I was finally prescribed a shockingly inadequate short course of 6mg of diazepam a day to "tide me over until the addiction team could give me a proper assessment". After many delays over WEEKS, my drug councelor passed on the message that the addiction team would no longer see me.... because I was only on 6mg of diazepam a day!! Luckily I seemed to stabalise quicker than you might expect, but dear lord it was touch and go for those first few days.

Anyway, tl;dr, the point is I hope GPs on the whole will be more sympathetic than mine was with me. I really feel for those with dependencies who are going to have their supply cut short without a chance of tapering, this is going to fuck a lot of peoples worlds right up.

Alas, goodbye strange and wonderful world of RCs, we've certainly had a turbulent time together. Yet I can't help but feel I'm probably better off now as I mark this historic occasion by dipping into my stash of glorious time tested class As.
 
It sounds like we've been down similar paths with RC benzo abuse and it all started with dear old Eti. 3-FPM was a major problem for me, I would go for days and days and then add benzos and wake up and add 3-FPM and rinse and repeat. Several blackouts, too many to count. My taper has more or less reached the end now, I have some of my RC benzos left which I intend on keeping as souvenirs and a small amount of prescription Diazepam to ween me off the last of it all. Party's over, everyone go home.

On one hand I am glad I can't get these things so easily anymore (drugs + ability to buy with credit card = disaster), on the other hand I will miss a lot of these substances, 3-FPM and Etizolam and allllll those lovely Lizard trips. I'm dropping a tab of 1P-ETH-LAD tonight to toast the weird and wonderful era where I made myself a guinea pig for fun and survived.
 
Ugh, it is almost exactly one year and one week since I finished my taper. I was in a real bad place with RC benzos for a couple of years, going from daily etizolam to a mixture of clonaz, pyraz, flubromazepam and flubromazolam - always sporadically throughout the day with no dosage plan in mind in massive doses. If the benzo equivelancy charts are anything to go by (and I realise they probably aren't THAT accurate), I was taking from around 150mg diaz to upwards of 200mg. The fact I was mixing benzos with different half lifes probably confuses matters even more.

Anyway, after blacking out on a night involving MXP I came around to find my bag of around 50 .5mg clonaz was missing except a few on my bedroom floor. Don't know if I tanned the bag or threw them away in a moment of madness, but the point is I was left with only a few pyraz and flubromazolam and insufficient funds to place an order for more. I don't remember it happening (again MXP, which I was abusing during this period, it was a seriously fucked up time in so many ways), but I regained consciousness one day feeling SO shit and strange, had a black eye and fucked up face (hadn't left my bedroom), felt like my muscles had gone through some SERIOUS fucking strain, my piss was black and murky, and basically I had a whole host of unusual signs and symptoms which indicated I may have had a seizure. So I knocked all the daily poly drug abuse on the head there and then and resolved to get off the benzos.

I visited my GP, and she basically said something which explained "yep, definately looks like you're in severe benzo wd syndrome BUT I'm not familiar with the particular drugs you're taking so I can't do anything." All she did was refer me to fucking councelors, which I have nothing against but it was clear that I had a serious physical issue to overcome which was obviously taking priority over exploring the psychological side of the problem. I had to spend the day going round drug councelors in different towns and taking numbers of any helpful individuals they could suggest. Eventually I got in touch with a nurse on the phone who specialised in cases such as this (can't remember what her actual job title was now). When I told her the situation, she phoned my GP back up and insisted that it was her duty of care to provide me some proper help as my situation was dangerous. I was finally prescribed a shockingly inadequate short course of 6mg of diazepam a day to "tide me over until the addiction team could give me a proper assessment". After many delays over WEEKS, my drug councelor passed on the message that the addiction team would no longer see me.... because I was only on 6mg of diazepam a day!! Luckily I seemed to stabalise quicker than you might expect, but dear lord it was touch and go for those first few days.

Anyway, tl;dr, the point is I hope GPs on the whole will be more sympathetic than mine was with me. I really feel for those with dependencies who are going to have their supply cut short without a chance of tapering, this is going to fuck a lot of peoples worlds right up.

Alas, goodbye strange and wonderful world of RCs, we've certainly had a turbulent time together. Yet I can't help but feel I'm probably better off now as I mark this historic occasion by dipping into my stash of glorious time tested class As.


Shit, mate. You're very lucky to have made it through and well done on finishing your taper!

I think it's a difficult situation for GPs as they have to balance the care of the patient with an audit of what they're prescribing. As many people here will have experienced, a lot of GPs don't have the most in-depth knowledge of pharmacology. This is especially true with the list of RC benzos that have appeared. However, I'd like to think that the NHS has been aware of this for some time and could have put contingency plans in place to deal with the fallout.

I never had a massive benzo habit but stopped using them recreationally when they wreaked a bit of havok. Even after using clonazolam daily, for sleep, for just a couple of weeks I was getting worrying effects on my CNS when I ran out.

Good luck to everyone that's going through their taper or just about to start it.
 
I'll definately miss penny acid, and ephenidine was seriously lush (in a way that diphenidine and MXP weren't) but it is probably for the best I only tried it a few times due to my tendency to go overboard and binge on dissociatives. Also not being able to order whippets is a bit of a bummer (I am right in saying they will be affected, or no?)

Good riddance to the rest as far as I'm concerned, although I get that people all probably have their own favourites that they'll be sad to see disappear.
 
Shit, mate. You're very lucky to have made it through and well done on finishing your taper!

Cheers bud, it is a great relief to look back at my life around a year ago and know that I am no longer in that dire situation.

It took some time, and lots of exposure to sober social/work situations, but I'm actually now in a place where I'm a lot LESS anxious without benzos because I'm not constantly fighting rebound anxiety and worrying about ensuring I have a bag of pills on me wherever I go. If anyone going through benzo dependency is reading this, perhaps this could be a positive aim to work towards. The anxiety can be pretty bad for the first months, but eventually when the withdrawal related anxiety disapates, you will probably be surprised to find you aren't nearly as anxious a person as you had built up in your mind.
 
Rather than complaining about the act now almost all the UK papers are worshipping it. Stories like "4 people in hospital due to legal highs last night (Gee I wonder if they were having a party because of the ban?) and a load of other shite.
Naturally the news sites have disabled comments.
Welcome to the start of an Orwellian future.
 
WE knew that all along however when I last wrote to my dick head MP I told him people would start dropping like flies because of contamination in off loading. Which it dosen't take a psychic to predict and it will get worse and I told him that the blood is on his parties hands no one else to blame, it won't wash off and it won't be forgotten. I was hoping after I started banging on about the Tories, police states etc. I'd be shot. Automated reply again!...Did notice this,Politics UK

Something has changed in the way the Home Office wants to enforce the Psychoactive Substances Act. It's a minor change in the small print, but it says a lot about how the government wants to pursue the war on drugs and the way in which civil servants try to maximise the power of the state.
Look very carefully at the documents the Home Office recently released around the Act, as Richard Greenhill has done, and you find something odd. The government is accepting a scientific definition of the phrase 'psychoactive' rather than the childlike one they themselves put forward. On one level, this is a victory for drug campaigners, scientists, and people who still believe in things like evidence and reason: a bill which was hopelessly stupid has become markedly less stupid. But on another, it's a damning reminder of the way law is now written to criminalise whole swathes of the population out of laziness and executive overreach. That's by Ian Dunt and the head line reads "Very quietly, Home Office backs down on Psychoactive Substances Act".
 
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