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The Psychedelic Being
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A couple of times on really high doses of mescaline I have spoken with Mescalito or the spirit of the mescaline if you want to call it that. It is hard to describe and the memory is kind of fuzzy because I was in a state very close to dreaming. It was kind of like a voice guiding me through my mind...like a tour guide kind of. After I first experienced this I understood what they mean when calling mescaline "the wisdom of the desert".
It's worth bearing in mind that "Mescalito" was just something Carlos Castenada made up when he'd never taken a psychedelic drug. It has no existence outside of Carlos Castenadas imagination.
I get the feeling that mushrooms and particularly DMT have their own animate presence - much more so than LSD. I always think it's working in conjunction with my own mind tho - it doesn't exist outside of my own head.
I get the feeling that mushrooms and particularly DMT have their own animate presence - much more so than LSD. I always think it's working in conjunction with my own mind tho - it doesn't exist outside of my own head.
biffhenderson
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Go to google and search "Aztec calender" and that is what I saw on a heroic mushroom dose of maybe 5 grams. The Aztec designs were arranged in a wheel with "him" at the center. There were many small parts and everything was moving and mutating and rotating slowly clockwise. The designs were "pressed" into the ceiling like a notary seal is pressed into paper. This went on for hours. The dude at the center of the wheel said nothing to me but he felt like an entity not just a face in a design. I have no Mexican ancestry.
limitsoflanguage
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Oh dear! Are you sure it was exactly that calender?
I really hope it wasn't - for your sake!
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Why is that? Why do you hope it wasnt?
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Figured you would pop up in this thread, Ismene.
I've had "entity communication" experiences on mushrooms, acid, and DMT. The best explanation that I've heard for them so far comes from my friend, who suggested that they may occur when the psychs deactivate or impair a certain attention-like mental process responsible for the sensation that your thoughts are your own. The end result is experiencing your own thoughts in a disconnected way and infering that if they don't feel like they're yours, they must belong to someone or something else, some sort of entity.
I've had "entity communication" experiences on mushrooms, acid, and DMT. The best explanation that I've heard for them so far comes from my friend, who suggested that they may occur when the psychs deactivate or impair a certain attention-like mental process responsible for the sensation that your thoughts are your own. The end result is experiencing your own thoughts in a disconnected way and infering that if they don't feel like they're yours, they must belong to someone or something else, some sort of entity.
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Interesting theory folding - I must admit I've always had a sneaky feeling that my "God" or "entity" are actually just a part of my own mind. Some part of my mind that I'm experiencing in a new way rather than a genuine God who only appears when I'm off my tits.
I find it hard to believe that there's entities sitting around waiting to go - "Quick everyone, Ismene's fucked out of his head, lets go and say Hello!".
Interesting theory folding - I must admit I've always had a sneaky feeling that my "God" or "entity" are actually just a part of my own mind. Some part of my mind that I'm experiencing in a new way rather than a genuine God who only appears when I'm off my tits.
I find it hard to believe that there's entities sitting around waiting to go - "Quick everyone, Ismene's fucked out of his head, lets go and say Hello!".
loremipsum
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^^ "god" IS part of your experiencing self. and its a misleading name/concept. just call it "the whole" where you step out of ego disconnection with the rest of everything and become everything and nothing at the same time. i was a glass jar once, a tectonic plate, a saturn ring, a chair, a planket, a spike, a molecule, a cloud.. shifting perceptions in and out of your human experience is awesome. i love complete ego-death episodes. they are bizarr and outworldish, yet feel totally natural. and if there is a "psychedelic beeing" talking to you. it's you seeing yourself on a meta level outside normal sense perception. i dont mean that esoteric at all, just cant describe it very well. communicating entities within your experience are nothing outside.. it's your psychic archetypes taking forms that you can perceive. maybe. or maybe not. 
As I've mentioned before, my belief is that God is the Essence of consciousness. However, I believe that although They allow us to have consciousness, that They are beyond our selves.
Maybe you could look at it from the point of view that your computer is hooked up to a central isp and is therefore able to connect to the internet. Because it is sending and receiving information and, is hooked up to the central company, the central company could be thought of as a part of your computer. However, that central company operates independently from your computer and, if you don't pay your bill, you can be disconnected.
I believe that "our" consciousness and nervous system operate independently from ourselves although They allow us to receive a portion of Their consciousness. That is why when a person becomes more conscious by ingesting a Psychedelic, they start to become aware that "their" consciousness goes beyond them.
"This wealth is mine, these children are mine", with such thoughts a fool is tormented. They themselves do not belong to themselves - how much less children and wealth. - Dhammapeda (Buddhist)
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webbykevin
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Definitely met the mushroom, spent many long hours in deep philosophical rants with that entity.
LSD - only once did I get the overwhelming impression that there was an autonomous being behind the character of the thing, obviously I called it Lucy but it was a very non organic being, I know that sounds nuts but it's the only way I can describe it.
Cannabis - Had the green godess surprise the hell out of me one night after a long abstinence from weed, ate a fair amount of hash and right when I started to feel that kick in I smoked a massive joint and lay down in silent darkness, done that way pot was every bit as intense as LSD but in a more edgy way, but there was a feminine "presence" there that manifested itself in various female archetypes during an intense bout of closed eye hallucinations.
DMT Entities - I dunno what the fuck those things are in that part of hyperspace, too bizarre for words.
LSD - only once did I get the overwhelming impression that there was an autonomous being behind the character of the thing, obviously I called it Lucy but it was a very non organic being, I know that sounds nuts but it's the only way I can describe it.
Cannabis - Had the green godess surprise the hell out of me one night after a long abstinence from weed, ate a fair amount of hash and right when I started to feel that kick in I smoked a massive joint and lay down in silent darkness, done that way pot was every bit as intense as LSD but in a more edgy way, but there was a feminine "presence" there that manifested itself in various female archetypes during an intense bout of closed eye hallucinations.
DMT Entities - I dunno what the fuck those things are in that part of hyperspace, too bizarre for words.
Mushrooms definitely give me the vibe of a "god" or some sort of being, as it's more of a two sided conversation than LSD's inner monologue, if you get what I mean? It makes sense to me, and thats the only way I can put it coherently
loremipsum
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Who is "They"?
I believe there is no "they", no metaphysical or supreme beeing. it's all yourself and within yourself. your "it" (subconsciousness) which is not connected to your perceivable reality might be your "they". but i dont believe it to be anything external to your own psyche and neural working.
i rather see it as a fractal. we have so infinite possibilities of "self" in us (like a fractal where you can zoom in infinitely) that you can become everything within yourself with a perception shift. that of course only applies to really far off anti-ego psychedelic experiences, where your thinking (or rather perception) is not bound to the "you" as human anymore but rather to the part of the whole: a fragmented, separated molecular mixture within the atomic megasoup.
haha I once thought I was the LSD molecule itself driving around in the back of my friends car on a rather large dose. I remember moving like a robot and declaring to everyone "I am a living molecule!!" although I have a feeling that's not what you're talking about.
The most accurate thing I can attribute to what you describe, is a "bad trip" experience although I don't like to use those words if possible, in which a female entity of some description taunted me and screamed in my head, saying how I had mis-underestimated it's power, teaching me a very harsh lesson. Speaking with with emphasis on the 'now'; NOW do you see my power, NOW do you understand what you are dealing with? So on and so fourth like this.
In reality, I was wandering the street alone totally losing my mind but it seemed not just obvious at the time but totally apparent that what was talking to me was the essence of LSD itself, although upon much more further study into Psychedelic culture, Eastern Philosophy and so on, I now wonder if perhaps I had come in contact with some sort of incarnation of Kali.
I will likely never know exactly to whom spoke to me, or if it was anyone speaking at all, but I will never forget that experience. It is forever burned in my head.
Self implies Other, and Other implies Self.
It is indeed all yourself and within yourself, but within yourself is everything
Fractal geometry is the best way to describe this, because no matter where I were to pull a piece out of said fractal, it still contains everything that's in the bigger or smaller picture.
The same way you said earlier loremipsum that upon the death of the ego you become everything and nothing at the same time, can it not also then that informational input be both inside and outside you at the same time? Remembering that there could be no inside without an outside, and vice versa.
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webbykevin
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^This .
"They" are the Psychedelic molecules - both inside and outside of our bodies.
However, Psychedelics exist within you (where "your" consciousness comes from) and outside of you.
You might try asking Them if They're separate or not.
"The word of God is something alive and active: it cuts like any double-edged sword but more finely: it can slip through the place where the soul is divided from the spirit, or joints from the marrow; it can judge the secret emotions and thoughts. No created thing can hide from (Them); everything is uncovered and open to the eyes of the One to whom we must give account of ourselves. " -- Hebrews, 4, 12
The description of the "battle of Jericho" was that the Hebrews shouted and the walls fell.
Why are you so keen on trying to make a connection between man-made religious theories and psychedelics somaeye? Seeing as every religion views psychedelic users as worthless scumbags who need killing or jailing - remember the spanish catholics killed all mushroom users who wouldn't recognise their bullshit religion.
The fact is, Ismene, that the God that Christ, Moses, Zeus, etc., worshiped was Psychedelics. The words of those people were written for the people of Psychedelics. And the stories contained in the Bibles are the stories of exactly that - how the identity of the true God was lost and then rediscovered. And the people who rediscovered the truth were persecuted by the people who thought they were following the old religion.
Christ said, "O just Creator: though the world has not known You, I have known You. And these have believed that You have sent me. So have I declared - so will I declare Your Name to them." (St. John, 17,25)
If the Jews and Greeks, and Romans still knew the identity of God, then Christ would not have needed to tell them.
Try reading this from the point of view that the "Father" who Christ worshiped was Psychedelics - and maybe you'll start to see the beauty there:
As for me, brothers, when I came to you, it was not with any show of oratory or philosophy, but simply to tell you the Testimony of God..... Far from relying on any power of my own, I came among you in great "fear and trembling" and in my speeches and the sermons that I gave, there were none of the arguments that belong to philosophy; only a demonstration of the power of the Spirit. And I did this so that your faith should not depend on human philosophy but on the power of God.
But still we have a wisdom to offer those who have reached maturity: not philosophy of our age, it is true, still less of the masters of our age, which are coming to their end. The hidden wisdom of God which we teach in our mysteries is the wisdom that God predestined to be for our glory before the aeons began. It is a wisdom that none of the masters of this age have ever known, or they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory; we teach what scripture calls: the things that no eyes have ever seen and no ear has heard, things beyond the mind of humans, all that God has prepared for those who love (Them). -- 1 Corinthians, 2,1
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