The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

[djfriendly]

Ximot: does this opening linger?

In my experience, no - if anything I feel more closed the next day.

 

[Ximot]

Do you mean not over doing it? Or are you talking about a combination that I'm not aware of?

not overdoing it particularly. and not overdoing alcohol while on it (beer is my particular vice, they combine very well ... to the point where it's all hedonism). But maybe that's just me - not many others on here have confirmed my issus with methylone (addiction potential, especially fiending - not unlike cocaine in that sense, etc.)

 

[Bare_head]

obviously there must be cross tolerance with MDMA, how long should one wait after taking MDMA to be sure that the Methylone experience isnt affected.

 

[itwasntme]

^ Couple of weeks in my book

 

[shn()z]

I would like to add something about methylone: don't do what I did (i.e. taking 1000 mg over the course of 2 two days). I have found myself feeling very bad the next day, the other one crying and crying and crying and once again today, to a lesser degree and even having more or less intense suicidal thoughts (without planning to do it).

This bears repeating, I think. Methylone can definitely be overused, and there can be repercussions. I took a fairly large dose one night, and the next night (emboldened by the fact that I still felt pretty good, without noticable hangover effects) took an even larger amount over the course of the night.

It still "worked" on the second night, but I spent pretty much the entire following day in bed, feeling horrible, and it took the better part of a week before I felt "myself" again. I felt depressed, overemotional (as DemonSeed described), dizzy, forgetful, depersonalized---all the familiar, unwanted side-effects I remember from overindulging in MDMA many years ago. (The only thing I didn't get, though I expected it, were the dreaded "brain zaps.")

So use wisely, and don't be misled by M1's relative lack of "comedown" compared with MDMA. If you push it too far, it will push back.

 

[Ximot]

Since there hasn't been much mention of folks mixing M1 with alcohol, I'd like to share my experiences.

I have combined the two countless times with no obvious ill effects physically (far less so than with MDMA, where unpleasant hangovers are the norm). I do advise caution, though, simply because the alcohol sort of masks the more subtle, sensitive (heart) side of methylone a bit while amplifying the manic, reckless aspects (root chakra stuff....) ... in that way it becomes a bit less than MDMA and a bit more like coke - while still being a very pleasant ride (with alcohol).

Main risk (iny my experience) is fiending more, for more M1, more alcohol, possibly more of all sorts of drugs if the stashbox is near. A kind of get-high-hubris, if you will. But I can get away with drinking as much as I usually would and feel ok afterwards... even though generally there is more chance of there being a mood-comedown as the experience may have been more hedonistic/escapist than truly spiritual.

The only alcohol I mix M1 with usually is my social staple... beer. Pretty much the only alcohol I drink with any kind of regularity apart from wine now and then.

 

[Xorkoth]

Ahh, methylone. Its a great chemical - in my book, it beats the hell out of MDMA. The latter absolutely wreaks havok with all of my systems. It initiates an emotional instability and depression that lasts up to a week, which throws me out of the stable mindset Ive worked so hard to gain and maintain these past few years. It makes me feel terribly fatigued and my muscles weak, and it kills my appetite as well. Plus, the high is no longer even very good. It's gotten so bad that after the last time I took it, I definitively decided to never fuck around with it again.. it just doesn't do it for me anymore, at all.

Methylone on the other hand, while not perfect, does far better for me. It opens my heart up as an empathogen should, not to the extent that MDMA used to, but more than MDMA does now. It has never produced any negative aftereffects in me the following days and weeks, even on an occasion where I went through over a gram in 3 consecutive days. The only negative effect it has ever had on me is the fact that after the short high, I really fiend for more. It feels like cocaine fiending, actually, except that coke makes me feel a lot worse physically and mentally.

I've also never mixed alcohol with it... I dislike alcohol while sober, and even moreso on the majority of drugs I use, including methylone. I have, however, mixed it with kratom, marijuana, and/or morphine after the peak. Those ease the fiending considerably and smooth the resdual stimulation that occurs, especally after redoses.

 

[Ximot]

I dislike alcohol while sober

I like alcohol when drunk ('tis another "fiendy" drug)

 

[Hellman]

I always take methylone together with a few beers since they are so damn good together -- in the way Ximot has described. And I cannot take too many boosters because those two drugs make me so tired I cannot stay awake in the end.

But cannabis kills the methylone high almost totally. Normally I don't even think food while on methy but taken with bud I feel hungry and the high is nearly as dull as the cannabis high solely.

 

[Ximot]

But cannabis kills the methylone high almost totally. Normally I don't even think food while on methy but taken with bud I feel hungry and the high is nearly as dull as the cannabis high solely.

Really? I've tried methylone without cannabis only a few times (and lots of times with cannabis) but wasn't aware of any difference, to be honest.. I think one day I will try again and watch how I feel carefully. You might be right - cannabis dulls most any state of consciousness... except tripping, which tends to get far more visual and intense, even if weirder and less controllable.

 

[Ximot]

I have used methylone really lot during last three years and there surely is adapting to the chemical. My chronic anxiety/depression problem has diminished a lot during these years, however.

Do you think that M1 has been a catalyst here? I find that in a party setting with a few beers, even without M1 I now I feel and behave a bit as if I had actually taken M1 - there is more ease, more flow, more 'being in the moment'. Maybe it's a Pavlov thing.... I have combined M1 and beer (which had become a rotten high for me) so many times that now even beer triggers the mindstate I get from M1 ... well, not really, but in terms of euphoria definitely. My drinking euphoria potential has gone way up since I've been using methylone ... a new angle for the term "cross-tolerance"

 

[melange]

ok, I am having my first really good m1 exp. well it is actually my second. the first one I didn't take to much, and I was also going through an emotional thing so it wasn't that great, and actually caused me to feel real bad.


it arrived today, and being that i don't have to work today, and that i am on winter break from college, i decided to "treat" myself - kind of greedy 265 mg. but - i dont know, couldnt control the urge. i havent eaten all day so it hit pretty fast. also - i have to add - i have a horrible relationship with my sister. she is in the navy which i am proud of , but she has made horrible choices with her life - mainly a child and her now fiance(sp?) but i am no better. but she just called and we had the most BEAUTIFUL conversation. i opened up to her(remembering not to get to crazy or she would know i was on something ) but i apologized to her about a lot of stuff, and told her i am proud of her and would come visit her.(she is only a year younger than me, so we are pretty close) even though we had rough times, i still love her and im glad we worked alot of this stuff out. it was awesome (still on the phone infact)


deff. feeling the strong empathy with this drug.


and like they say mdma could be used for a great tool in talk therapy, and working through problems, i think methylone could be as well. i am sorry i am talking alot. very sorry bluelighters. please let some people read this before you delete , church



it is a very calm euphoria


not a very strong push to happiness like mdma, and not as extreme. it is very relaxed, as i feel it could let me fall asleep. almost like a benzo with mdma or something. but you all know anyways so this is redundant. but i just wanted to add that this drug suprised me and i am very happy with it, and it is a good tool when not abused (prob wont use it for a month now, so this magic wont go away.


thanks for listening. also i want to add i did a little bit of mdpv with it, and alot of people say this would be a mistake, but it didnt really speed me up(this combination) so i am happy



you guys have a very wonderful day

and i mean it

 

[melange]

well fellas , i think im going to have to agree that redosing doesnt really do that much



this is kind of odd actually


o well

 

[Jabberwocky]

take care melange!

Perhaps focus on the source of those feelings of empathy, what do they really represent?

Peace and love!

 

[Church]

please let some people read this before you delete , church

You have nothing to worry about if you're not breaking any rules, and you are being coherent, which you are. But for future reference, if you are being incoherent, or breaking rules, no, I won't wait, to let people read it. I will edit with fingers o' fury!!

 

[Xorkoth]

You're right on there, melange... the very best methylone experience I had was when my family called me right as I peaked, and I ended having 3 hours of beautiful conversation with my mom, my little brother, and my dad. Some of the best conversation I've had with any of them, ever. By the time I was off the phone, the high was technically gone, but I was glowing for the rest of the day.

 

[Ximot]

A few months ago, I had an amazing talk with my mum on the phone on ethylone, and I've been closer to both my parents ever since.

 

[Xorkoth]

That's great to hear

How is ethylone, by the way? I've only ever recall reading one report, and it claimed it was weak and transparent as far as I can remember.

 

[shn()z]

I'm a little surprised to see the common (approaching universal) theme that redosing methylone is worthless. I've now gotten a few experiences under my belt, and I definitely feel it when I take a second (or even a third) booster dose. (I did take a fourth dose once, and that did indeed appear to have no effect.)

While the empathogenic quality is definitely lower than from the initial dose, it still feels good to take a supplemental dose about 90 minutes in. (I've found that an initial 250mg followed by 150mg an hour and a half later is a nice fit.) I feel an extension (or return) of the euphoria, nystagmus, etc.

Yet I see many people say that even a single booster dose has no effect whatsoever. I wonder if it has anything to do with drug cross-tolerance---I had not used MDMA for over 13 years before I tried methylone. (I'm only guessing that there must be cross-tolerance between MDMA and M1, since at least for me, they ring so many of the same neural bells.)

 

[djfriendly]

How is ethylone, by the way? I've only ever recall reading one report, and it claimed it was weak and transparent as far as I can remember.

My wife's report is one of the few available on Erowid. It's worth trying but not necessarily worth seeking out, IMO. WE were sorry when the trip ended, so it wasn't bad, but we weren't seeking to get more until...it found a great niche for us as a component of a methylone booster, either by itself or with a bit more methylone - it caused a relaxed feeling, prolonged the empathogenic effects, and eliminated the "more " syndrome. It did not help any with falling asleep, however. It seems to work well as part of a beta-ketone cocktail.