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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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Lev, how many times have you used that drug? Initially it did little to me in terms of negative fx. Probably the first 15 doses or so.

I have probably gone through about 20+ grams of it over a 2-year period, and I am currently falling out of love with it. My stash is gradually running low and when my supplier was recently out of M1 I felt a little panicky... what if I legally can never get any more? But I haven't given to my strong urge to stock up while it's legal because recently I've been feeling that repeated M1 highs are just not worth it. I intend to give it a break for at least one full month (and probably 2 weeks+ without any other drugs at all except the odd beer) and then take it again and really look at how it makes me feel once i come down a bit and the subsequent few days. Only then will I decide whether it's really worth having a lifetime supply of it handy...

There's always other drugs, and there's always sobriety...

Seeing a less drug-experienced friend fall for it big time does not help, really. As he had little to no experience with hard drugs before discovering M1 (unless you consider alcohol a hard drug), he's being fooled by M1 again and again,and it's sad to see him so desperately chasing the initial high. I guess it also depends what one uses it for, though.

When I used it initially I did not get that infamous crash... it's all to do with spacing use and not topping up. I think most people who get the crash either use too often (weekly or even more) or keep topping up or are prone to depression in general or use it too hedonistically, ignoring the 'heart-message' seemingly contained within the molecule. Or all of that combined.

I'd like to spell it out for those who may not have bothered reading through all the posts that confirm what I am writing now: M1 has a high ADDICTION POTENTIAL.


On another level, yes - it's different strokes for different folks. Some people find the experience a bit bland or boring at best, and some can even feel quite irritable when on it. Seems that its euphoric plateau doesn't really manifest in everyone... perhaps those people go straight to the dark side contained within methylone and bound to manifest itself to whoever uses it frequently enough at high enough doses.

What I find fascinating with the molecule is how it seems to make whoever has taken it and is riding the warm happy wave so much more approachable... when I am on it I find myself listening to all sorts of people who seek me out and want to talk to me about everything (party setting). Then there comes a point where I get very emotionally tired and I'd rather just go home and not even say goodbye any more because summoning up the smile required to do that sems almost impossible.... bargh! The more I use it the more the effects become like that for me, hence I space it and leave it for a month or so at times.... sadly, my friend cannot conceive of going out without his ally in his pocket any more. I wish he understood that, ultimately, methylone's use is to try and gain some understanding of how one could be more open to others and then take that insight home and work on it while straight. Otherwise it becomes abuse, a social crutch, a mask even.

I advise everyone who "just loves" this chemical and uses it a lot to be very aware of its addiction potential and to question their motives for using and to act accordingly. In any case it is undoubtedly a goldmine for retailers, and I wouldn't be very surprised if it became illegal within the next 12 months - at least in Europe, where the Dutch had already emergency-scheduled it, though fault had been found with the procedure and this is why it is available again there...

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fizzacyst said:
I know we all have different opinions and view on how these drugs (and drugs in general) should be used, but someday if you feel like it I would recommend trying MDMA at a psy party.

I agree that the methylone experience in not conducive to use at a rave type setting.

At most of the psy parties I have been to, the people there seem more experienced with these sorts of drugs, and are generally a little older and more mature than the sorts of people that turn up at raves. I realize a lot of people may not make distiction between rave and psyparty, but there really is.

It is truly something to experience the empathy and feelings of connectedness and love for those around you at an outdoor event with people that have some to dance and celebrate being alive.

There are way, way less of the people coming out to get wasted for the sake of getting wasted. Its a different vibe entirely, and there aren't many people that lay on the ground spazzing incoherently because they are to wasted to control themselves.

You might not like it, I don't know, but you won't know if you never try it (what if you had never tried methylone alone with your SO after it sucking at a rave.. you might have missed out on the unique magic that it has).

Its worth a try, IMHO. Though we all differ on this.

I just don't see it happening. It is so rare that I use MDMA, that I just can't see doing it anywhere other than in bed (or the tent) with my gal. As I have said before, I have a very different response to MDMA/M1/MDA than most others do. I do not become social, in fact all three floor me and talking is near impossible for the duration of the experience. My entactogenic experiences (save for 2 MDA experiences I shared with best friends) have always revolved around me listening to my sig. other talk, and making love. And that is what those substances are for me...a fantastic way to connect with my sig. other while having mind-blowing sex for 8 hours. I don't see any motivation to have an entactogenic experience in any other setting. And again, MDMA and co. is not adventagous for me to a social experience since I don't do much talking on those materials anyway.

I'd be game for some other psychedelic in that setting (a 'psy party'), especially one with MDMA-like effects such as 2C-B or 2C-T-7.

Another point is that I don't dance while sober, and I certainly am not going to dance (other than the love dance:) ) while on a substance that intoxicates me to such a degree, standing and talking are not possible.

The one exception is the Rainbow Gathering. I could see me taking MDMA at the Rainbow Gathering. On the other hand, this year we took 2C-B at the Gathering and when the peak hit, my lady wanted to go back to the tent to make love...where we spend the duration of the rest of the trip. The sex was mind-blowingly fantasic, so exciting I am salivating. Another reinforcement that I just don't see me passing up on MDMA-sex to talk to people I don't know. When given a choice, I'll always choose sex over talking to strangers! In fact, the more I think about it....I can't imagine why anyone would choose socializing with strangers over making love for 8 hours to the person they love! Yup, I'll be sticking with MDMA in the settings I am used to. :)

You might not like it, I don't know, but you won't know if you never try it (what if you had never tried methylone alone with your SO after it sucking at a rave.. you might have missed out on the unique magic that it has).

That could be a good point, on the other hand it reinforces my feelings that parties/social settings are not conducive to noting some of the more subtle qualities these drugs have to offer. After all, few people who take MDMA only in a rave setting consider it to be a psychedelic drug. It is generally only considered a psychedelic drug by those who use MDMA in non-social settings. Either way, the fact that I cannot talk during MDMA again suggests that I will just have to some how go through my life never having experiencing MDMA in a social setting.

I still question why anyone would choose to be among strangers instead of making love to their partner. If you were solo, I could see wanting to take MDMA at a party. But if you are like me, and you take an entactogen once every few years, and you are in love with a person who also shares an affinity for entactogenic psychedelics...that's the best setting there is. I'm lost to try and understand why anyone would think differently and want to have such rare experiences anywhere other than with their soul mate (alone.)
 
When given a choice, I'll always choose sex over talking to strangers! In fact, the more I think about it....I can't imagine why anyone would choose socializing with strangers over making love for 8 hours to the person they love!

/\ you are making perfect sense
 
Who goes to a party on MDMA all alone? Most people go as a group of friends...
 
friends aren't strangers... I don't go to parties on MDMA alone, but I have gone to parties on MDMA with only my s/o in tow. And if I was in a festival setting with only my s/o I could imagine getting horny and retreating to the tent in order to have great sex rather than hanging round with people and music... the thing is, why bother with the festival in the first place then? ;) Ok, sex is especially great when on such wonderful drugs, but then so is music.. ah, choice!! I am one who likes dancing, too...and I almost always end up talking to strangers or being talked to by them.

I used to go to parties alone of meth though. And on shrooms once... won't do THAT again for sure ;)
 
M1's addictive / poly / self enforcing properties, fortunately, are also self-limiting, come ~100 or so intakes. ymmv.
 
/\ i can confirm that from my own experience. and hope that it'll be true for my fiending friend as well, he hasn't got to 100 yet.
 
I still don't get it but accept that everyone is different. I absolutely love M1, yet cannot see how people get 'addicted' to it. I've never craved it, or used it more than twice a year. I have access to enough that I could probably get high every day for a year, but I simply have no desire to use it beyond any other psychedelic (which for me is a few times a year at this point.) Contrast that with opiates, in which I have little control and currently rely on buprenorphine to keep me away.
 
And I "cannot understand" why people have a desire to use opiates since I find them boring. I take methy 3-4 times a week that is absolutely too much and I've decided to use it "only" once a week.

Methy is an easy chemical for me since I don't get any crash. After the evening with methylone and a few beers I just get tired and usually sleep well.
 
Hellman said:
And I "cannot understand" why people have a desire to use opiates since I find them boring. I take methy 3-4 times a week that is absolutely too much and I've decided to use it "only" once a week.

Methy is an easy chemical for me since I don't get any crash. After the evening with methylone and a few beers I just get tired and usually sleep well.

Everything effects everyone differently. Probably just as many people hate opiates as they do love them. They are not boring for me.

Methylone is just too special and important to waste as a drug to just get high on. Different drugs...one a pain killer and one is a psychedelic entactogen. One of is for euphoria and comfort (opiates) and one is for empathy and mind expansion.
 
There are not many drugs that I find enjoyable. As a home grower (it gives a lot of fun to grow hemp) I have a good amount of quality bud but unfortunately cannabis doesn't give me a real high (I mean euphoria). But it may cause a really shitty anxiety. I believe it's relatively safe to get high on methylone - in a long time scale.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Methylone is just too special and important to waste as a drug to just get high on.

I beg to differ. There's other empathogens / entactogens for spiritual purposes. The fact that M1 is relatively forgiving makes it ideal for abuse... this is not to say it can't be used wisely and for spiritual purposes. Now, MDMA for instance, I wouldn't even dream of using more than once every 4-8 weeks because it is just so deep and so powerful. And I consider using MDMA without my S/o almost a waste of good drugs... whereas I am happy to take pretty much any other drug without her, too.

Now, on the other hand, opiates are something I have chosen to use "wisely" if such a use even exists.... meaning that I indulge VERY occasionally because I know from experience how wonderfulit is not to feel anything and to dream so beautifully and vividly... and i know how addictive/destructive/depressing it can be and how that rush too goes sour and life falls to bits. I know this from limited experience (around 9 days spent super high on top quality Opium in South East Asia... my little opiate "micro-addiction"phase) and from observation (junkie schoolfriends back when I was a teenager). I'd rather keep that one special. If something is so good, best to see it in perspective and not to crave.

Now, methylone I do abuse for gigs, parties... good music just gets tremendously good, and an ok time turns into wicked fun. I just enter teh party zone on M1... like one does after beer #3 in a social setting... now, add methylone to the ber and it's fantastic if not done to often. And since I know I will just have a much better time if I indulge, it's always tempting. But for reasons I have explained in previous posts, I choose to space my usage - M1 can have a dark side.

edit. Gosh, re-reading this, I seemy rhetoric is a bit odd... I have used "Now..." so many times in this text. Now, I think it's best to stop my verbosity attack.
 
Ximot said:
I beg to differ. There's other empathogens / entactogens for spiritual purposes. The fact that M1 is relatively forgiving makes it ideal for abuse... this is not to say it can't be used wisely and for spiritual purposes.

What other ones are there? I mean I own PIHKAL, I know what has existed. But beyond MDMA, MDA, and MDE...and the occasional MBDB, BDB, and M1 and its analogues...none have made it to market.

For me, M1 isn't any more 'forgiving' than MDA or MDMA. Yes, it took me a few tried to 'get it' so it can be more subtle. But now that I do get it, M1 is every bit as powerful, spiritual, and significant.

I still don't see how one can want to take M1 every day, but obviously people do. I'm glad I set my standards and have stuck by them because I'd much rather have M1 as an ally for learning, that something just to get fucked up on.
 
I wouldn't say "fucked up" but just "loved up" in a good way, not just the silly gurning thing but having opennness and meaningful unreserved communication with people I know when I meet them out. And to dance my socks off, hehe, yes, that too. I can dance when I'm not on anything but the enhancement to the experience brought about by such drugs is nothing short of amazing for one who enjoys dancing.

But yeah I get your drift. And I agree that there comes a point... where it all becomes too crazy and morish and,well, yeah, "fucked up"... if one is not careful. I have been recommending to my friend to take M1, just for once, at home, alone, to see what it really is all about instead of taking it almost like a medicine whenever he socialises... like once during the week and then twice every weekend... it's definitely too much, especially as he seems to be unable to conceive of going out and having a good time without it any more.

I find it can be used both ways - socially and all alone to review one's world and develop insight into emotional constructs, gratitude and all that... and in order to keep it a nice experience I have chosen not to use it as frequently as he has started to do. I noticed after a month of doign what he did that it is in no way beneficial and I have no desire to repeat what I did for a while with speed and MDMA when I was at university... doing one or the other every few days... I had to learn the hard way that that is not a viable option for me.

By other empathogens/entactogens I mainly meant MDMA and cousins, and 4-FA, which for me is as much empathogenic as it is a stimulant (only had one trial but those were my impressions). Also, some low-dose trypts/phens I find to be empathogenic... hell, even beer does it to me these days. My fairly excessive (for my standards, by not means for some BLers' standards) use of psychedelics has tainted my alcohol trip a bit and it has, over time, become a borderline psy/stim/empathogen experience as well ...

'Tis true though what they say about M1 when they liken it to cocaine. When someone asks me what it's like and wants to have a comparison I get off my high lecturing horse thatwould have them believe it is a unique compound with unique properties (which it certainly is) but tell them that it's right beween E & coke. And it is, on many levels. It's one of the very few compounds out of Shulgin's books that can be taken as a "fun" drug in a party setting even by people who shun psychedelics.
 
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What are peoples opinion on using 5-HTP with Methylone? Does pre-loading with 5-HTP boost the experience or are there any benefits to taking it several days after taking Methylone in the same way the some recommend doing with MDMA?
 
Took 160mg felt almost nothing. Very minor euphoria, mild stimulation. Loads of fatigue on come down... very deceived.

two of my friends found it *amazing* tho.

I've got 150mg left I'll take it in one month.
 
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