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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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fizzacyst said:
Its not an MDMA substitute. Since you've never had MDMA you won't be able to make a comparison between the two, but I think a lot of people try it looking for an MDMA-type high. Its really a totally different drug.

There are similarities, but probably far more differences.
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ditto.

this can not be stated enough.

and IMO MDMA is far superior to M1
 
I think the MDMA euphoria is really on a level of its own. The feeling I get from methylone is more of a warm rushing, relaxed sensation. At least until that part wears down, and the stimulant/more "cracked out" type feelings manifest around an hour or so later.

I'd also not take methylone in many of situations where I'd take MDMA. I love to take MDMA at raves/psy parties, and connect with everyone and the music, and skip around like a nut. Methylone, to me, is more suited for calmer activities... quieter, less active environments. Somewhere I can lay down, or slowly mill around thinking, and looking at things.
 
Over time I've come to like methylone more than MDMA. Somehow, after the first few times I used MDMA, it stopped producing the magical euphoria it did at first, and I've never been able to regain it yet. I find methylone's euphoria more "real" and less pushy, and the aftereffects are practically nothing, whereas MDMA makes me feel lethargic and depressed for a good 3 days. However, the original euphoria I used to get from MDMA was definitely much better. Finally, for some reason, I no longer experience a nasty crash with methylone. It just fades into nothing after a few hours.

I've combined methylone with both morphine and kratom, and I definitely enjoy the combination greatly. I would usually take the opiate after about 2 hours from the start of the effects, and it would bring back some of the body high and euphoria, but altered to be more opiate-like.

I haven't tried ketamine with it but that sounds like something to try next time I have some methylone...
 
Jamshyd, to answer your questions:

1. Don't know - never had any K.
2. No problems w/ SNRIs - never took SSRIs post M1.
3. Yes - it didn't cause any problems when taken to selectively inhibit MAO-B @ 5mg/day. If you're taking >10mg/day you will probably have problems.
4. Yes - Almost always on the downside. Helps a lot w/ sleep.

Have fun!
 
Xorkoth said:
Over time I've come to like methylone more than MDMA. Somehow, after the first few times I used MDMA, it stopped producing the magical euphoria it did at first, and I've never been able to regain it yet. I find methylone's euphoria more "real" and less pushy, and the aftereffects are practically nothing, whereas MDMA makes me feel lethargic and depressed for a good 3 days. However, the original euphoria I used to get from MDMA was definitely much better. Finally, for some reason, I no longer experience a nasty crash with methylone. It just fades into nothing after a few hours.QUOTE]

I agree with this statement 110%...it has been the exact same exp. with me. I used to think that taking a big break would bring the 'magic' back with mdma...so recently i had a chance to try some pills after a 3+ year break of doing them...well, it was nice and everything...but the magic was not there. Recently had the chance to sample methylone twice, and it was great. (10mg 2-ci ingested 1hr before..) I would choose it over mdma i think...although the cost and dose req. are a bit hefty. Still, love the fact that it has pretty much no hangover at all.
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methylone with subhole doses of ketamine is a very nice combination.
As iv said before i dont find anthng all that special about m1, but with ketamine the euphoria became much more pronounced, the comedown not as harsh, and it even seemed to prolong the m1 experience by about 1 hour.
Sadly the ketamine did nothing to kill that fineding feeling i get at the end of a m1 experience.
 
If I could somehow get rid of that coke-like feinding feeling I get as the M1 wears down, I'd be in love with the stuff. Its really, really hard to not try and chase it with a redose... to the point that I'll leave home, dose, and get myself into situation where I can't get more (like drive somewhere, dose, then have to wait until its totally gone before I can drive home).
 
Would anyone have reservations about recommending 175mgs as an appropriate starting place for someone who has never tried methylone?

I am pondering whether to try this in the near future and feel like it will be one of those (like MDMA) that I will rarely consume. Therefore, I am looking for a "full" experience the first time.
 
Yeah, that sounds ok. Personally, i'd never take less than that, and tend towards 200-225mg, though that might not be best for a first time.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Would anyone have reservations about recommending 175mgs as an appropriate starting place for someone who has never tried methylone?

I am pondering whether to try this in the near future and feel like it will be one of those (like MDMA) that I will rarely consume. Therefore, I am looking for a "full" experience the first time.
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hmm, if you've never tried it, I suggest to test a small dose first to see if you got an allergic response.
 
lysergication said:
hmm, if you've never tried it, I suggest to test a small dose first to see if you got an allergic response.
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Good point, but this could be done a day, if not hours before the experience, without affecting the experience at all.

Very nice of you to point that out. I've done this now with nearly all the newer psychedelics I've tried. In addition to testing with regent kit (but unfortunately have missed doing both with some:( ).
 
Xorkoth said:
Finally, for some reason, I no longer experience a nasty crash with methylone. It just fades into nothing after a few hours.
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I never crash after a nice evening with methylone but I used to have really bad hangovers during the next day. Strange enough I don't have these hangovers anymore but I feel somewhat euphoric the day after.
 
Hellman said:
I never crash after a nice evening with methylone but I used to have really bad hangovers during the next day. Strange enough I don't have these hangovers anymore but I feel somewhat euphoric the day after.
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Has your tolerance gone up over time?

Possibly it could be your body adapting to the experience and not being affected so acutely...who knows, though?
 
Yes my tolerance has gone up but I have kept the initial dose about the same. But nowadays I take more boosters than before.

I have used methylone really lot during last three years and there surely is adapting to the chemical. My chronic anxiety/depression problem has diminished a lot during these years, however. Don't believe that would be possible after abundant usage of MDMA or speed.
 
methylone boosters..

hey Hellman, was curious about your use of boosters(ie. doseage, times, how many...)

have recently discovered this fine chem - 1st time, 125mg (with 10mg 2c-i 1hr. beforehand), and a small booster of 40-50 mg 1.5 hrs later was perfect for a nice 6-7 hr ride....2nd time, 130-140mg (with 2c-i again), followed by boosters of 40-50mg 1.5 hrs later and another 30-40 mg 1 hr later resulted in an experience about 75% of 1st...felt the boosters come on, although less than original(as per expected)...but last time with methylone, 130-140mg (with 2c-i again), followed by same boosting methods, plus an extra 40-50mg booster later...but this time, i don't think the booster doseages were felt at all...This was the first time i experienced what others had described with methylone, where after 1.5 hours, the experience just dropped, and boosters did nothing to help... the other 2 times i tried it, it was not so.

...so was curious, maybe a booster of 75-100mg might be in order? What are your experiences Hellman?
 
I am reading your post correctly insofar as you have never done methylone without boosting? Perhaps this is in order to give some comparison?

I have no personal experience with this chemical yet but from what I gather many people consider boosting neutrally or negatively affecting the experience (ymmv).
 
cerebral_cortex said:
...so was curious, maybe a booster of 75-100mg might be in order? What are your experiences Hellman?
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Cant believe so many people get more out of redosing with Methylone.. I found it to be totally (and truely, totally) worthless...
 
the first 2 times, i definitely felt the boosters...but not much of anything the 3rd time. i understand that boosters don't do much, other than increase the stimulatant effects...but i kind of like that sometimes....i've searched alot on this board and others about boosters, and yes, most people seem to think it's not worth it...but, still, most people wind up doing at least one small booster...
 
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