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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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DOC is on the top of my list. (along with 4-AcO-MiPT=goodshit) I can get way way out there. Every trip has been quite an experience. Very spiritual and connecting. Lots of discovered ways of being.
Experimenting with DOI again now. Better than the last i tried and i find it to be a very unique chemical. Esp after tripping for nearly 3 days. 8o rank it up there along with with DOC, yet not much like DOC. except for dose and duration and DOI smells like skunk. Although both carry excess stimulation especially on the comedown, cramps, jaw clentching, muscle spasms and mucus buildup. All of which are bareable. Good shit
carry on
 
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Agreed. DOC is definitely on the top of my list.

Anyway, I still never got a straight answer on this...but does anyone know exactly how long DOC tolerance lasts?
 
I've never found it to create any tolerance. Redosing has worked perfectly over a weeklong periods, as has taking it every other day.
 
Intoxo said:
I just want to break up the doc worry fest here to say that I've taken doc over 100 times at doses from .125mg to 8mg
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Intoxo said:
I've never found it to create any tolerance. Redosing has worked perfectly over a weeklong periods, as has taking it every other day.
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A couple of questions about these statements.

1. If I run the math right, it is very likely that you have been taking this compound at least 1X a week or possibly more often. Is this correct, and if so what comments can you make about tolerance, dependence, or perceptual changes in comparing early experiments with later ones?

2. Since you purport to have probably about the most experience with this particular agent that I have seen reported, what comments could you make about the general dose / response effects of this compound (i.e. are there discrete ‘levels’ of effect, is it roughly linear or does it become non-linear at a point, etc.)?

If you could provide some more detail in these areas it would be much appreciated.

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I've taken DOC daily for large chunks of time, about a month and a half at the longest stretch, with a 2 month break, and then another month of daily use but at lower dosages.
During daily use my dosage is usually 1mg taken @ 8am, but about every three days I would up the dosage to 2-3mg for a real experience, and occasionally go to ~8 in order to pre-game a party or something. I have no trouble falling asleep at 12pm after my dosage.

I never noticed any tolerance, that is to say that 3mg in the middle of a long period of use wasn't any weaker or stronger than 3mg after a month of abstinence. .125 mg wasn't any weaker after a day of 3mg than it was after a week's abstinence. I find an 8mg dose lasts longer than 24 hours, so it can alter a re-dose the next day. Re-dosing, as in taking 4mg and then another 4mg several hours into the experience, works- but due to the fact that I'm already tripping when the 2nd dose hits, the 'accelleration' from sober to fried isn't as great and the effects aren't as profound.

I haven't noticed any changes in my perceptions, either of the trips or of life in general.
Edit: Actually, looking back on it, I used to 'live in my head' way more before I took all these drugs, meaning I would think something and then think about my thoughts, and go off on a stupid tangent like that. Now I'm slightly less likely to do it, tripping has shown its just a endless, worthless, thing to do.

The dependance question is really interesting to me and its something I thought about a lot during my first period of heavy use. It is an amphetamine, righ? I was thinking that my withdrawl might be an utterly horrible experience where I went completely crazy and felt like my soul was getting torn out, but instead nothing happend. I quit and everything went back to normal, which was dissapointing because I was trying to achieve perma-tripping status.

The only plateau I've noticed comes at the 4mg mark. 3mg and 4mg are about equally intense, but with 3 I just trip wheras with 4+ I'll have a 'breakthrough' type experience where I'll resolve some issue and be at peace for a couple days.

My reactions to drugs are pretty standard from what I've read on erowid and this site. I'm not a hardhead or a lightweight in any arena, although I think I enjoy and can handle psychedelics better than most. I've been diagnosed with ADD (correctly imo), and DOC seems to be the perfect cure for it as well as the perfect anti-anxiety medicine.
 
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Intoxo said:
I've taken DOC daily for large chunks of time, about a month and a half at the longest stretch, with a 2 month break, and then another month of daily use but at lower dosages.
During daily use my dosage is usually 1mg taken @ 8am, but about every three days I would up the dosage to 2-3mg for a real experience, and occasionally go to ~8 in order to pre-game a party or something. I have no trouble falling asleep at 12pm after my dosage.

I never noticed any tolerance, that is to say that 3mg in the middle of a long period of use wasn't any weaker or stronger than 3mg after a month of abstinence. .125 mg wasn't any weaker after a day of 3mg than it was after a week's abstinence. I find an 8mg dose lasts longer than 24 hours, so it can alter a re-dose the next day. Re-dosing, as in taking 4mg and then another 4mg several hours into the experience, works- but due to the fact that I'm already tripping when the 2nd dose hits, the 'accelleration' from sober to fried isn't as great and the effects aren't as profound.

I haven't noticed any changes in my perceptions, either of the trips or of life in general.
Edit: Actually, looking back on it, I used to 'live in my head' way more before I took all these drugs, meaning I would think something and then think about my thoughts, and go off on a stupid tangent like that. Now I'm slightly less likely to do it, tripping has shown its just a endless, worthless, thing to do.

The dependance question is really interesting to me and its something I thought about a lot during my first period of heavy use. It is an amphetamine, righ? I was thinking that my withdrawl might be an utterly horrible experience where I went completely crazy and felt like my soul was getting torn out, but instead nothing happend. I quit and everything went back to normal, which was dissapointing because I was trying to achieve perma-tripping status.

The only plateau I've noticed comes at the 4mg mark. 3mg and 4mg are about equally intense, but with 3 I just trip wheras with 4+ I'll have a 'breakthrough' type experience where I'll resolve some issue and be at peace for a couple days.

My reactions to drugs are pretty standard from what I've read on erowid and this site. I'm not a hardhead or a lightweight in any arena, although I think I enjoy and can handle psychedelics better than most. I've been diagnosed with ADD (correctly imo), and DOC seems to be the perfect cure for it as well as the perfect anti-anxiety medicine.
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I didnt read this entirely but what the fuck allows you to trip every day for a month and a half? who/what supports your existence? how did you strip your self of your own personal responsibilities?

seriously, teach me.
 
Well the trick for me was to make my personal existance the trip. During school I went to class, studied and took tests tripping, and I've been working at least 90 hours a week this summer. I'm off the doc righ now, but everything went great, I really enjoyed my time, and managed to pull a girlfriend from way out of my league. I think I'm pretty responsible, my bosses love me and I make great tips as a waiter, my grades are fine. It seems like I only run into responsibility problems when I'm smoking pot.
 
I think DOC seems to invoke a lot of Tim Leary's 8th circuit of consciousness type stuff.

Consciousness probably precedes the biological unit or DNA tape-loop. "Out-of-body experiences," "astral projection," contact with alien (extraterrestrial?) "entities" or with a galactic Overmind, etc., such as I've experienced, have all been reported for thousands of years, not merely by the ignorant, the superstitious, the gullible, but often by the finest minds among us (Socrates, Giordano Bruno, Edison, Buckminster Fuller, etc.). Such experiences are reported daily to parapsychologists and have been experienced by such scientists as Dr. John Lilly and Carlos Castaneda. Dr. Kenneth Ring has attributed these phenomena to what he calls, very appropriately, "the extraterrestrial unconscious."

Dr. Leary suggests that circuit VIII is literally neuro-atomic - infra, supra and meta-physiological - a quantum model of consciousness and/or a conscious model of quantum mechanics by the turned-on physicists discussed previously (Prof. John Archibald Wheeler, Saul-Paul Sirag, Dr. Fritjof Capra, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, etc.) indicates strongly that the "atomic consciousness" first suggested by Leary in "The Seven Tongues of God" (1962) is the explanatory link which will unite parapsychology and paraphysics into the first scientific empirical experimental theology in history.

When the nervous system is turned on to this quantum-level circuit, space-time is obliterated. Einstein's speed-of-light barrier is transcended; in Dr. Sarfatti's metaphor, we escape "electromagnetic chauvinism." The contellignence within the quantum projection booth IS the entire cosmic "brain," just as the micro-miniaturized DNA helix IS the local brain guiding planetary evolution. As Lao-tse said from his own Circuit VIII perspective, "The greatest is within the smallest."

Circuit VIII is triggered by Ketamine, a neuro-chemical researched by Dr. John Lilly, which is also (according to a wide-spread but unconfirmed rumor) given to astronauts to prepare them for space. High doses of LSD also produce some circuit VIII quantum awareness.

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It is therefore possible that the mysterious "entities" (angels and extraterrestrials) monotonously reported by circuit VIII visionaries are members or races already evolved to this level. But it is also possible, as Leary and Sarfatti more recently suggest, that They are ourselves-in-the-future.

The left-lobe terrestrial circuits contain the learned lessons of our evolutionary past (and present). The right-lobe extraterrestrial circuits are the evolutionary script for out future.

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In short, the various levels of consciousness and circuits we have been discussing, and illustrating, are all biochemical imprints in the evolution of the nervous system. Each imprint creates a bigger tunnel-reality. In the Sufi metaphor, the donkey on the which we ride becomes a different donkey after each imprint. The metaprogrammer continually learns more and is increasingly able to be aware of itself operating. We are thus evolving to intelligence-studying-intelligence (the nervous system studying the nervous system) and are more and more capable of accelerating our own evolution.

Leary now symbolizes intelligence-studying-intelligence by the mark, I².

On the lower levels, you see with one "I," so to speak. On the higher levels, you see with many "I"s.

And space-time shifts from three Euclidean dimensions to non-Euclidean multi-dimesionality.
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I'm sure many of you have experienced this thing on DOC where everything (people for example) seem like fully automated "robots", you turn on the TV, radio, its like everyone and everything seems already "post human" and just a giant virtual reality program running like a computer - and its all about *you*. You look out a window and see people doing something and maybe realise whoa, the actions i'm seeing are trying to tell me stuff.. signs.. whatever.. turn the TV on its a constant swarm of 'signs' trying to wake you up. You talk to your parents or friends and it seems like "nobody's home", like they aren't human anymore just an automated program from the future ONE-self that we all are headed for. Anyone know what i'm talking about? :)
 
^^ I'm not sure if I can relate to your experiences with DOC. To me DOC seems to involve deep human roots and ancestry, way back to pur ancient, ancient reptilian ancestors (it's currently thought that a line of dinosaurs gradually evolved into early mammals, from which we, of course, evolved). The entire trips invariably ends up focusing on our evolutionary history as a species.

Of course, each time I take DOC, a new aspect of it is revealed to me. It's a very complex chemical!
 
Oh i didnt mean to say only the 8th circuit :) hmm... many circuits heheh.. seems like the more i tripped on it the 'higher' I got.. :)

Those usually took bigger doses also, 6-8mg, since then it seems like even 2mg does the trick..
 
I can relate to you there... ever since I broke through with DOC, lower doses have gotten me significantly higher. The experience in general gets exponentially more significant each time I do it. I've still got to finish up my latest report on it...
 
Mmm... to each his own, I suppose. I love me some DOC! Low doses are a great general day booster and high doses are mindblowing. Amazing how we all react so differently, eh? To me, DOC is the third cleanest-feeling chemical I've ever used, behind LSD and 5-MeO-MiPT.
 
Yeah, odd that indeed. Had DOI before, once, and DOC once as well. Both of those I had taken alone and had physically and mentally unpleasant trips. I just felt overstimulated (hypertensive?) and couldn't entertain myself.

So I thought I'd give it one more try, take it in company. Found it to be not particularly good for communication either, everyone is kind of in their own space. 2mg again.

I wonder now if something like 0.125mg might be where it's at for that mild shorter-acting stimulation with a hint of psychedelic acuteness in order to use this one sociably... <-- ANYONE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS?

from what it has shown me, this chemical, it would seem more suited indeed for some seriously deep 8mg introspections, but from the way 2mg make me feel physically, I don't think I'd survive that except on benzos - and then, what would be the point of these explorations in the first place? Also, somehow I got the message all the way on 2mg DOC it seemed - everything laid bare, no embellishments, bleak, naked, ancestral, in all its humanity. I just can't imagine lots of discoveries to be made in (my personal) DOC territory. Far too edgy. Overstimulated to the point of perceived poisoning...

I guess the DO- Compounds just aren't for me.

Wish all my DOC was K . . .
 
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morninggloryseed said:
I've been using psychedelics for over 15 years, and never had any desire to sell or traffic them.
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Surely, then, you coming by these substances has something to do with someone else passing them on to you . . . trafficking them . . . :|
 
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