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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Obviously,psychedelics are not for kiddies.Call me an ass,but a general rule of thumb is anything below 20 IS a kid.You can easily see it by their posts here.And then we have all the young hash victims.Indifferent and dumbed down by it.No wonder schizo was called dementia praecox.Growing up with drugs is a not good if your vote goes for responsible use.

Psychedelics didn't make me blind to not see this.To the contrary.In fact,If they had,I would have already lost my mind.

Rant off.
 
hugo24 said:
Obviously,psychedelics are not for kiddies.Call me an ass,but a general rule of thumb is anything below 20 IS a kid.You can easily see it by their posts here.And then we have all the young hash victims.Indifferent and dumbed down by it.No wonder schizo was called dementia praecox.Growing up with drugs is a not good if your vote goes for responsible use.

Psychedelics didn't make me blind to not see this.To the contrary.In fact,If they had,I would have already lost my mind.
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i second that emotion.
 
Yeah... this really makes me sad/sick. Unfortunately, the easier it gets to obtain, the more uneducated, greedy, childish, or just plain retarded people will decide to sell it, or take large doses irresponsibly, or snort it, or IV it, or eyeball it like it's coke, etc, etc, etc. I doubt there's anything we can do. I'd say the majority of us here aren't going to ever do that, but then, we're here because we're not morons, and we're looking to expand our knowledge of these chemicals.

Providing information and discussion on the Internet is a double-edged sword; on one hand, it promotes harm reduction and a way to get real information out to those who are capable of using these things responsibly. On the other hand, the Internet is anonymous and open to all, and sadly a large percentage of humans, and hence of drug users (us being a representative of the whole), are morons, or immoral, or both.

Fuck.
 
UMMMMMMM prolly no to the last question.
visuals are very good but can get a little annoying sometimes when you have to do something that requires you to actually see what your doing...
 
I want to know what causes such wild visuals, I took a few of the 2C's and the visuals were noticable but not really unstoppable like DOC visuals tend to be. Why the hell is that??? If I could have avisual trip from time to time like DOC provides without the mind fuck I would trip more often...
 
Nobody knows exactly what 'causes visuals' with any psychedelic. Much of their actions comes about by being serotonin agonists (of various subtypes), but this alone does not fully explain how psychedelics work.
 
I know why!

It is because the hallucinogens uncouple your brain's time sense, but standard sensory imput such as visual stimuli continues to enter at the usual rate. A visual is no more than typical visual signals distorted by an improper interpretation through time.
 
DOC's visuals are on a whole other level than 2C visuals, even 2C-E (although 2C-E's visuals can be astounding in a different way). It took me a few tries with it to get them, though. They were pretty generic, albeit colorful, until about my 4th trip on it. I can safely say that nothing has ever made me hallucinate more vividly, clearly, abundantly, and colorfully than DOC. At times it gets so strong I can't determine what it actually is that I'm looking at. And although I haven't taken it during the day yet, I'm pretty sure that peaking on it out in nature would be indescribable.
 
Well I did have a chance to be outside on DOC, And it's safe to say it's a whole new ballgame. I remember seeing the kumquat tree in my friends yard growing right before my eyes, the azelia bushes blooming all over the place. What else was very mind blowing was when I went outside that night when it was veryyy cold and the ground was sparkling with white and blue colors like someone had sprinkled some magic pixie dust on the ground. It was the craziest thing!! DOC visuals seem to speed time up. This is definatley a daytime thing. I know I had to go downstairs in the hotel I was at and pay for another night after using DOC and it was utter fear being around other people with the amount of visuals that were going on!! I ended up making it back to my room but it looked crazy me wearing dark shades trying to pay another 60 bucks
 
Xorkoth said:
... And although I haven't taken it during the day yet, I'm pretty sure that peaking on it out in nature would be indescribable.
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It is!

Where I used to live was really densely packed with apartment complexes, except for a 20 or so acre patch of naturalized land with picnic tables at one end. There were trails that wound around all over inside this patch of land.

This was pretty sweet, as I could go from home to a secluded nature setting in about 5 minutes with no real danger of getting lost or looking suspicious (I don't know about you, but when I'm tripping out and walking on a mission to get somewhere of any real distance away from where I began I look pretty fucked up - stopping to mess with vegetation, motionless staring, giggling for reason, etc).

I couldn't tell if the trees were swaying from the wind or the DOC, the bark was alive with streams of different shades of brown, the leaves were intensely green. Looking at the brown bark and green leaves together was almost overwhelming... the contrast! How could anything look more different, and yet, it was perfect. The brown and green meshed in ways no two other things could possibly mesh. It was beyond perfect in ways I cannot describe. I sat on a boulder and just stared, awestruck.

...and then I found the moss on the boulder. It was like a miniture version of the hill I was on. The moss looked like trees on a rocky hillside. Then I saw tiny (6-7mm tall) mushrooms growing from the moss, and ants crawling around. It was like some very small hidden village. I watched the ants go about there business for a while.

The trails seemed almost liquid. The dead, crushed leaves, rocks, dirt, it all melded and flowed. I went with it. It was like I was being led around by something, in order to stop at all these amazing examples of life.

I highly recommend this.
 
^^werd!!! LMFAo at the motionless staring and stopping to mess with vegitation. SO TRUE. My favorite is watching things blow in the imaginary wind...
 
joystick said:
2 of my friends had a very bad experience with DOC blotter. I had to deliver some Zyprexa to save the day.

DOC?
No thanks.
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More for the rest of us. Also, how do you know it was DOC? Also, did they take way too much? Also, are they experienced trippers? Of all the drugs I've tried, DOC has produced less fear in me than almost all of them. Also, the body load is very pleasant, not even what I'd call a load.

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I really need to get outside with this stuff...
 
I talked to the dealer, and after a little prodding, he told me it was DOC. They took one hit each. The guy is an experienced tripper. I don't know if the girl was experienced or not. The former had an even worse experience than the latter, though.

I didn't take any so I can't judge DOC with much precision. We did smoke a bowl together, though, and on the drive home I felt like I was tripping.

Contact high? Who knows.
 
Why be friendly with an asshole who lied to your friends, and endangered their lives by not being forthright about the contents of his blotter?

joystick said:
I talked to the dealer, and after a little prodding, he told me it was DOC. They took one hit each. The guy is an experienced tripper. I don't know if the girl was experienced or not. The former had an even worse experience than the latter, though.

I didn't take any so I can't judge DOC with much precision. We did smoke a bowl together, though, and on the drive home I felt like I was tripping.

Contact high? Who knows.
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Thanks for the feedback on my questions. It was helpful.
As to DOC visuals, the visual cortex is rich in 5HT-2A receptors. Since DOC is a 5-HT2A/B/C agonist, among other things, it can stimulate those receptors in way kind of like input from the retina stimulates them. Visual cortex neurons form circuits that do interesting things like detect contours through processing of line segments, "end-stopped" stimuli, orientation, curvature, lateral inhibition, line/edge detectors; and are involved in motion detection, center-surround, contrast, color, etc. These same neurons express 5-HT receptors, so, artificially stimulating them with chemicals like DOC tricks the brain into thinking it's seeing something th at's not there (like visuals).
 
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