maxX said:
cuz
a. it's not as pure
b. shulgin's experience is outdated
c. i have done 8mgs at once on two separate occasions... it's not bad at all infact i recommend it for people with stable minds.
Dunno about letters "a" and "b" there... any DOC I've seen has been very pure looking, clear crystals, and there's no reason based on anybody's reaction to think we're working with impure product anymore.
In other words, I think everyone who got 2C-I as DOC way back when has got that figured out by now.
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Fizzacyst, thanks for your input!
I have to agree with you that your upset stomach was probably thanks to the greasy food you ate 30 minutes before. That seems to be the main factor determining if people get nauseous or not. Personally in my three experiments with DOC, I actually *tried* to get nauseous the second two times (after hearing that some people get this side effect) but it wasn't to be. But I would also probably wait for any significant food to digest before taking anything like DOC.
That probably had something to do with your delayed onset too.
Muscle spasms... hmm, interesting. I get those sometimes on small doses of amphetamines that I take once in a while. Sometimes a little agressive self-massage is all it takes to get rid of that one
I'm surprised it took so many benzos, so long after you tripped, to not even pass you out! DOC definitely gives you a lingering energy which is noticeable into the 24 hour mark... but in a way I almost find this energy relaxing, like it barely qualifies as "energy" at all. Good thing you had a weekend to put aside for this one. And I'd agree, people should probably eat this one on a Friday or Saturday rather than a Sunday if they have anything really important to do on Monday
You seemed to think that trip could have got sloppy if you doubled the dose. I disagree... based on my observations people simply seem to have a hard time flipping out on DOC! The 4mg trip and the 2mg trip are very different... there's just a lot more unique DOC-phenomena (spirals, time warps, balls of energy in the air, etc..) going on at the higher doses.
I personally found my 4mg trip no harder on my body or mind than my 2mg trip, although it would have been harder to give a guest lecture on quantum physics on 4mg because of all the distractions floating around.
The highest I know of anybody eating first-hand is 6mg (but I've heard of larger doses taken on message boards like this) and I've yet to see anybody flip out. I took 6mg in split doses of 2mg, each on an hour apart, and it was weaker than the 4mg all-at-once trip, so I don't consider that a real trial. All it says is that acute DOC seems to exist.
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So far it seems that higher doses make it more likely for your stomach to get upset for those whose stomachs actually notice the presence of this chemical.
Anyway, sounds like you had fun with 2mg. I sure did my first time. But now after trying 4mg I consider that very much "do-able" and easier to handle than I might have expected, and there's so much more psychedelia and weird stuff going on at 4mg, I'll probably eat 4mg again next time (to test for consistency) before eventually, when I got time for all this extended tripping, exploring higher doses.
I mean, those spirals obviously are meant to take us somewhere!
