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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Identification of two new "designer" amphetamines by NMR techniques. Dawson, Brian A.; Neville, George A. Bur. Drug Res., Health and Welfare Canada, Ottawa, ON, Can. Journal - Canadian Society of Forensic Science (1989), 22(2), 195-202. CODEN: JCFSBP ISSN: 0008-5030. Journal written in English. CAN 111:188881 AN 1989:588881 CAPLUS

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Two new designer amphetamines (4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine and 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylthioamphetamine) were identified by NMR techniques. Nuclear Overhauser Effect (NOE) difference spectra provided all the necessary structural information to identify the unknowns. Lanthanide shift reagent studies provided an alternate method to prove positional substitution for the structures.
 
This is (reliable) third hand information, but a person was on ecstasy and speed two nights in a row prior to ingesting orally a total of 2mg's (1mg +t+0,5h 1mg) of DOC. He survived, apparently with no serious bodily harm. Total amount of pills was apparently around 10 during the two nights, so we're talking Darwin awards-people here.

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psychicpsycho - man.. i'm curious as hell what some of that experience was like, any interesting details you would talk about? We were discussing the 'vortex thingie' in your last trip report thread, aliens... blah blah.

I'm wondering something - does anyone have experience, or know anything about IV'ing DOx's? I'm looking for the best way to cut the duration down.. I've noticed at least with DOI, that when i'd snort it, really the dose didn't seem to change compared to orally, maybe a little more potent, but definitely not 3x potency or anything like snorting a 2c-x.

I'm looking into donating some DOC and DOI to science, i'd like to test out all the possible compounds you can get from chlorinating, brominating, iodinating DOC and DOI further,
there would be,
DOC-3C (3,4,6-trichloro)
DOC-2B (4-chloro-3,6-dibromo)
DOC-2I... then DOI-.. etc.

I just found some info about the trichlorinated DOC, dose 5-10mg, duration ~6 hours, this was posted from a guy that tried to make some DOC but ended up overchlorinating it, i find this interesting because its easy to do, and well... fuck.. there's a lot of possible active compounds possible by doing that to all kinds of existing psychedelic PEA's.
 
Sensitivity to DOC indeed varies a lot. 2mgs for one person caused only slight treshold effects, some stimulation and a phenethylamine-like feel. Another person took the same amount and experienced strong visual alterations, loss of touch with reality during the peak and rough mindgames for the whole duration (more than 12 hours). Start low.
 
Did he sleep at all during that binge?

If he didn't then, and he took a psychedelic, then I suspect that sleep deprivation triggered it.
 
Toltec said:
Did he sleep at all during that binge?

If he didn't then, and he took a psychedelic, then I suspect that sleep deprivation triggered it.
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I think we're talking about different things. The person taking 2mgs of DOC after a two day binge is not the same person who had a rough trip on 2mg.
 
I dont know about the vortex's, But I do know that if you turn off the lights and stare at each others faces, someones going to end up dead.
 
Yaesutom: I will tell you this: the rabbit hole goes pretty damn deep. Prepare yourself as best as you can because you will need it. One piece of advice: make sure you stay away from the phone talking to people can be a bad thing. If you want details here are a few.

The key is molecular and brainwave vibrational frequency patterns. This time as opposed to my first trip report there were no closed eye visuals or vortexs in my headspace (that I could comprehend). Instead the vortex spilled out into my normal perceptions of the world around me. It was like everything was slightly spinning inward like an unpronounced vortex in my field of vision. By the 6 hour mark I was experiencing total and absolute synesthesia. All 5 senses blended together in a rather subtle mixture. Audio distortion had reached paramount levels (It was like hearing the vibrational pattern of the universe itself). It was at this point upon exploring my audio distortions that it (god or whatever the hell it was) came into my presence. I had obviously accessed a frequency that I should not have. My head became flooded with information streaming from what felt like the entitiy. Everything around me became a means of communication for it. It was like I was being walked into every moment as if it was a place that could be seen heard touched and understood. Whenever I asked a question its communicational response came from the world around me. I determined that it did not have a voice and could only communicate through my senses and through mental images and thoughts. I could feel its presence all around me. When it wanted it could even touch me and I could feel it running down my skin. Like I said complete and utter synesthaesia. After about 3 hours of communicating it became complete and utter sensory overload my mind could literally not take it. Every barrier and concept had been completely shattered in my mind by the incoming flood of information. It came so fast that I literally could not remember what I had just said right after saying it.
Whatever had happened time was of no consequence and it began using any form of electronic equipment as a means of communicating to me (TV primarily). Shows I had watched previously and even knew the words to became different the characters acted differently and were speaking different words often looking directly at me and telling me things directly. There were no commercial breaks on any channels for hours on end and everything was aimed directly at me. Eventually after changing channels long enough I came to channels that dont even exist and they had strange shows one in particular sticks out. It felt like a PBS channel but the show on was strange and a cartoonish image would pop up everywhere with deep black eyes that would stare directly at me and looking at it I could just feel a rush of bizarre information into my head. Whatever it was I wasnt watching the tv was watching me. I will not say what was said to me on the tv but I will tell you that it was telling me about strange things and that there are others like me out there.

Summed up message from it all: Welcome to the fold. You stumbled into it unready but in time we will contact you again.

Like I said I accessed something that I should not have. Now I know things that I didnt before and I will be far more prepared next time I decide to go down that road again. Maybe next time I will be able to bring back more than madness.

The whole contact part lasted a full 7 hours and it had some strange and twisted messages including past life, out of body and future prediction experiences. Next time I do this I will have to isolate myself from other people because I dont want to get other people involved in what will most probably seem to be utter madness.
 
psychicpsycho said:
Yaesutom: I will tell you this: the rabbit hole goes pretty damn deep. Prepare yourself as best as you can because you will need it. One piece of advice: make sure you stay away from the phone talking to people can be a bad thing. If you want details here are a few.
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Did u happen to write a full trip report for this experiance? I am very interested in sampling DOC and will hopefully be getting some soon, but I was under the impression that the mental, and cosmic aspects of the substances did not go as deep as u are hinting at here.... In fact... it makes me all the more excited to try it, but I would really enjoy reading a full account of such an interesting trip.
 
yaesutom said:
psychicpsycho - man.. i'm curious as hell what some of that experience was like, any interesting details you would talk about? We were discussing the 'vortex thingie' in your last trip report thread, aliens... blah blah.

I'm wondering something - does anyone have experience, or know anything about IV'ing DOx's? I'm looking for the best way to cut the duration down.. I've noticed at least with DOI, that when i'd snort it, really the dose didn't seem to change compared to orally, maybe a little more potent, but definitely not 3x potency or anything like snorting a 2c-x.

I'm looking into donating some DOC and DOI to science, i'd like to test out all the possible compounds you can get from chlorinating, brominating, iodinating DOC and DOI further,
there would be,
DOC-3C (3,4,6-trichloro)
DOC-2B (4-chloro-3,6-dibromo)
DOC-2I... then DOI-.. etc.

I just found some info about the trichlorinated DOC, dose 5-10mg, duration ~6 hours, this was posted from a guy that tried to make some DOC but ended up overchlorinating it, i find this interesting because its easy to do, and well... fuck.. there's a lot of possible active compounds possible by doing that to all kinds of existing psychedelic PEA's.
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i once IV'd some DOC/2CI from the "bad batch"...12mg total of whatever the % of each was. Cut down the duration by half from my one experience IV'ing phens.
 
dex, i thought the contamintated batch was just 2c-i not a doc/2c-i mix.

Mongo, DOC could in fact be a very profound experience, aswell as very euphoric and fun. i saw hints of it in my 3mg dose. Psychicpsycho took a very high dose (15mg) to achieve the effects he did, i would not recomend you do the same, especially not your first time testing the chemical out.
The rule when it comes to RC's is start out low and work your way up.

Psychicpsycho, any more details you can give about your trip? Was there a significant amount of anxiety on that dose. Ego loss potential, etc.?
 
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dex, i thought the contamintated batch was just 2c-i not a doc/2c-i mix.

Mongo, DOC could in fact be a very profound experience, aswell as very euphoric and fun. i saw hints of it in my 3mg dose. Psychicpsycho took a very high dose (15mg) to achieve the effects he did, i would not recomend you do the same, especially not your first time testing the chemical out.
The rule when it comes to RC's is start out low and work your way up.

Psychicpsycho, any more details you can give about your trip? Was there a significant amount of anxiety on that dose. Ego loss potential, etc.?
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Phew... its scares me just to think about starting off at such a high dose.. Believe me I try to play it safe when trying out new substances. Psychicpsycho is definately a hardcore psychonaut to have takin that level of DOC, props to you for opening the boundaries of research. Its interesting to hear that DOC has such depth and potential for profound experiance. I have only read a few trip reports, but it seemed to me as more of a euphoric lightshow (to put it very bluntly) Maybe I just didnt catch it because of my own inexperiance but I didn't think it carried such a depth as some of the other psychedelics. I am curious has anyone experianced a full blown ego loss? And also, what is the highest dose anybody has read a report on? I am curious as to the mental and physical repercussion of an excedinly high dose. As far as my knowledge extends there have been no Overdose like symptoms from high dosages.
 
The physical reprecussions are just not known. People haven't been taking and reporting on this stuff for all that long. At least, not like they are now.

It definitely has the potention depth of a "real" psychedelic. You're probably not going to get completely absorbed into it at 2mg or so, but at 4mg and above it seems to become quite involved for most that I've spoken to.
 
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