The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

[bleedingheartcommie]

DOC is awsome

TIA

 

[psychicpsycho]

to mongo: I have not written a trip report for my 15mg experience for good reason. No matter what I say what words I use they will all fall impossibly short of describing even the most minute fraction of that mindblowing experience. All that I have said so far of it is just a run through albeit brief of the immense effects it has had and the resulting mind restructuring that followed. I will tell you this much the first 3 days I had to actually repress the memories just to attain a state of semi normalcy.

Anxiety was low I could still perform normal functions surprisingly well. I was around people during the first 5 hours and they could not even tell I was tripping (6 hour mark is when it really maxes out on peak for me then I plateau for the next 10-12 hours). (note: I am extremely good at masking my altered state around other people. I could be tripping my ass off and the only way most people can tell is if I show them.)

Ego loss is not just a potential but instead completely undeniable. Although it is surprisingly sudden and sneaky it took me 2 hours of actual ego loss to even realize that i had even lost it to begin with and it continued for another 4 hours on top of that.

Some people wont get the depth or mileage I do out of this, make no mistake. If you believe something is dead in some aspects then chances are it will be for you. I approach any compound with a childs perspective. First exercise: close my eyes, clear my mind and when I open eyes again view the world as if I am a child seeing and experiencing everything for the first time. In some senses you really are (just in a new way at least).


BTW mongo: dig through the trip reports section and read my 9mg trip report (Weaving The Tapestry of The Mind). It is also on erowid.

 

[mongo_the_bad]

Thanks Psychicpsycho for clarifying that. I really admire that way you approach your psychedelic experiances, I think that our own stygmas and preconception play far to great a role on our quest for expansion of the mind. I am glad that my own stygma about DOC not having the depth of other substances has been broken, I would have been greatly disappointed if my own misconception has strayed me from the path to enlightenment. I am very drawn to this chemical for some reason.... I can almost hear it callling mine name... I finally found a reliable source so hopefully I will get my chance to let DOC open my Third Eye soon enough.

 

[psychicpsycho]

well dont admire me. I am far from that point. My usage has been extremely high and pushing well into dangerous territory. I may have the benefit of experience and a tolerance to back it up but ive still got a long way to go. The main thing this last experience showed me is how insignificant and completely lacking I really am. In the end our race as a whole has a long ways to go. Just be careful. I give details for a reason. Not for something to strive towards but a warning of what awe inspiring power this compound really holds. It wasnt a bad trip but it wasnt a good trip either. more like an ascent into madness. Time will tell if I can fully integrate it or not.

 

[hugo24]

@f&b: yes its the date of seizement.I thought someone here wrote that he might have unknowingly encountered DOC a long time ago (Glogga?).I was curious if this could be backed up somehow.Seems DOC is older than it appears now.

Doubt Aleph will make it into public as well,too much uncertainity.Like psychedelic russian roulette...

@all:the psychicpsycho trip disaster somehow reminds of my DOB overdose.Sometimes I still get flashbacks (after 13years!) of tripping details,not exactly uncomfortable,I have lost consciousness then and remember not much but some holes are filling slowly.There are just things you can't integrate.So an overdose is the last thing you'd want with a DO.

I think psychicpsycho has eat crow and sees his fault-though I'd still like to hear from him "overdose!",just because you survived doesen't mean you didn't overdose (and probably will do it againafter the dust settles)

I'd like just to remember that DO's are extremely powerful,its not like LSD where you reach saturation and still can be in healthy body conditions.Somehow hard to reach "overdose" territory.That the DO's don't have the typical ego scratching at low doses and are very euphoric is a bit misleading on what to expect at very high=overdoses!I know it,and go ask the 20+30mg DOM eaters if you don't believe.

 

[Ximot]

That the DO's don't have the typical ego scratching at low doses and are very euphoric is a bit misleading on what to expect at very high=overdoses!

I have yet to try DOC for the first time... but of all the things I have read in this thread I feel that the above lines may be perhaps the most "must-read" of all of them about this sort of compound.

I have tried DOI and boy did I ever get a bashing @4-5mg.

 

[orbital_forest]

does anybody have experience with both DOI and DOC,and can tell me how the stimulation from DOC compares to the nasty toxic speedy feeling of DOI? the overstimulation on DOI made for a very uncomfortable trip for me at 5 milligrams....please let me know thanks

 

[psychicpsycho]

hugo24: It was not a disaster in any way shape or form. I was being pretty ridiculous during the experience granted but it was a profoundly life changing experience on the whole. Also it was not an overdose my body was still in complete functionality through the whole experience at no point did I ever feel physically endangered.

 

[hypnoticzzz2003]

Tried 3mg of DOC last night all I can say is when the material is tring to land it has a sort of metallic sound coming from it radiating in my head. seemed to store differnt things in differnt parts of my brain and told me they were for later useage and invited me back. I am going back for a full breakthrough. Also I expierence a sort of ego loss. I was thinking maybe 4.5 mg's or close to 5 but not sure if 5 will be too much I think I was veryyyy sensitive to this material. Funny thing the only other mild altering substances I tried was LSD about 7 years ago and MDMA regularly. Did I take to big of a step trying DOC

 

[fastandbulbous]

does anybody have experience with both DOI and DOC,and can tell me how the stimulation from DOC compares to the nasty toxic speedy feeling of DOI? the overstimulation on DOI made for a very uncomfortable trip for me at 5 milligrams....please let me know thanks

That's because 5mg of DOI is a fuckin' huge dose. Had you used half that dose of DOI, it would have been far better (my few experiences with DOI have been in the 1-3mg range and I've found it to be a reasonably interesting compound without too much in the way of excessive stimulation - in fact it was pleasant enough that if I had the chance of any more, I'd be more than happy to indulge).

From talking to people who have had DOC, I'm telling you that 5mg of that would be very stimulating (but would also be a bit irresponsible for a first dose)

 

[orbital_forest]

heh....i dont plan on eating doi ever again,it was a dumb move on my part to eat that much in the situation that i was in(rave) when i experiment with doc i plan on a 3 milligram dose to start,im usually pretty hard headed to phenethylamines,the only real thing the doi did to me was give me a slight slight euphoria and visuals that were really only noticeable a few times,and the nice icky chest pains and heart rate boost.....but i have a feeling doc is going to be more along the lines of something that i will like,the chlorinated compounds seem to not be as stimulating from what i have read,2c-i stimulates me like a motherfucker too but its still manageable,and i still take it every once in awhile...hopefully doc will treat me nice,ive been needing a good ass kicking lately,hopefully 3 mg of that will do the trick or at least allow me to do the trick if i decide to bump it up a notch a few weeks afterwards lol.....

 

[gloggawogga]

Psychicpsycho is definately a hardcore psychonaut to have takin that level of DOC, props to you

Is this what we are here to do? Praise poeple for being 'hardcore psychonuats'. Are you crazy? Do you praise a drunk driver for having made it home last night? Then why do you praise people for doing irresponsible doses of research chemicals just to one up others? Do you realize things could have worked out much worse for him and that he is lucky? There is no such thing as a 'hardcore psychonuat'. The proper term is 'stupid psychonaut'.

for opening the boundaries of research.

Opening the boundaries of research? A bunch of kids doing 'hardcore' doses of dangerous unresearched chemicals isn't opening any boundaries of research. Its little more than wreckless behaviour which is only helping to get more substances in the news and scheduled.

Sorry for crashing your party. But this is a harm reduction forum. Its not here for people to praise one another for being hardcore, and if anyone comes here looking for that sort of praise they're not going to get it.

 

[orbital_forest]

send em to totse glogga lol

 

[orbital_forest]

does anybody find it funny that there was bitching when the big and dandy 2c-i thread got to like 7 pages,and none at all at this monster 30 pager?

 

[fastandbulbous]

There is no such thing as a 'hardcore psychonuat'. The proper term is 'stupid psychonaut'.

Or 'dearly departed'. Remember - these compounds have killed people in the past; in that sense, hardcore=person with deathwish (who will fuck it up for everyone else).

I think enough people have heard the Bill Hicks monologue about people killing themselves via psychedelics to judge the concensus of opinions on that sort of thing

 

[psychicpsycho]

To glogga: please read my own post after that one of his I agree with you and I have talked with him on this matter. He is young and inexperienced so cut him some slack ok? Anyways ive warned countless times on here and to him dont repeat what I did and dont start anywhere near where I did.

im no psychonaut btw. im just human.

 

[mongo_the_bad]

Is this what we are here to do? Praise poeple for being 'hardcore psychonuats'. Are you crazy? Do you praise a drunk driver for having made it home last night? Then why do you praise people for doing irresponsible doses of research chemicals just to one up others? Do you realize things could have worked out much worse for him and that he is lucky? There is no such thing as a 'hardcore psychonuat'. The proper term is 'stupid psychonaut'.



Opening the boundaries of research? A bunch of kids doing 'hardcore' doses of dangerous unresearched chemicals isn't opening any boundaries of research. Its little more than wreckless behaviour which is only helping to get more substances in the news and scheduled.

Sorry for crashing your party. But this is a harm reduction forum. Its not here for people to praise one another for being hardcore, and if anyone comes here looking for that sort of praise they're not going to get it.

When I made that statement it was not a "OMG u took so much WOW ur hella cool kinda thing" I was commenting on the fact that almost every trip report I have read on DOC people have really not traveled very far down the rabbit hole, it seemed most people thought that there wasn't much depth to this substance. I was giving Psychipsycho a little shot of praise, because for me at least he had dispelled a possibley dangerous misconception. DO NOT talk to me about stupid kids talking far to great of doses, I am not one of these idiots who runs around ramped up on meth for 5 days and then decides we wants to have a meaningful psych experiance, nor do I think these people have any reason to be delving into these powerful tools in their current state of being. Yes I know that this is a harm reduction thread, and I believe in taking as many precautions as possible with these powerful and unstudied substances. Like has said many times before, these are not toys, these are not some magic substances u drop to have a good time, these are tools. Tools to reach a higher state of conciousness at the take another step down the path to Nirvana. I whole heartedly believe that one should take their time and not rush psychs, that gradual doses are the way to go.

But....... when u are learning to swim.... sometimes u just gotta hold your nose and take the plunge.

 

[bluedolphin]

does anybody have experience with both DOI and DOC,and can tell me how the stimulation from DOC compares to the nasty toxic speedy feeling of DOI? the overstimulation on DOI made for a very uncomfortable trip for me at 5 milligrams....please let me know thanks

I found DOC much less stimulating than DOI. It was comparable to San Pedro... that is, stimulating, but not what most people would likely consider excessive.

Much like comparing 2C-C to 2C-I... the former is much smoother, and at least for me, a much more valuable trip.

2mg, 4mg, and 2+2+2mg were not nearly as stimulating as just 2mg of DOI.

F&F.. How can you speculate about what doses you will find suitable, given the variance in what people are considering suitable doses of this chemical? Also, how can you speculate about how stimulating of a compound it is without having tasted it?

 

[fastandbulbous]

F&F.. How can you speculate about what doses you will find suitable, given the variance in what people are considering suitable doses of this chemical? Also, how can you speculate about how stimulating of a compound it is without having tasted it?

By reading & interpreting what others have written/said about it - basic pharmacological comprehension...


BTW it's fastandbulbous

 

[DexterMeth]

Damn glogga. so what if he praises him. some people praise kurt cobaine as well. Yes, some people are here for the exact opposite reasons you are. I'm sort of in the middle, but more leaning towards your stance nowadays.
I know this is harm reduction. But if someone looks up to a guinea pig for taking the risk and comming through unscathed, or at least initially and delusionally unscathed :D, then so be it.

I agree with what you say though. honestly.