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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Yes, some people are here for the exact opposite reasons you are.
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Yeah, but bluelight is here for a specific reason, harm reduction, and its my job to make sure we don't lose sight of that. As moderator of the forum, I'm not going to let it deteroirate into a place for children to pad thier egos for their immature and irresponsible use of drugs. If anyone doesn't like it, go somewhere else. Go to hip forums or totse and have your DOC hardcore admiration thread there.

And if any has anything else to say to me about this, say it to me by PM. This thread is supposed to be about DOC, and specifically about minimizing the risks of using DOC, not a meta discussion about the alleged value of children paddding each others egos for being hardcore.
 
fastandbulbous said:
* - First 'proper dose'; as usual, I'd take a 0.1-0.2mg dose for my first ever exposure to make sure I didn't have any idiosyncratic reaction
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May I ask what you mean by "idiosyncratic reaction"?

Cheers again for your help.

Urbie :)
 
^ Finding that due to some genetic quirk that you're allergic to the drug (anaphlaxis) or that you don't metabolize it like most people (possibly much stronger for you than most other people). There are other 'funny little responses' included under idiosyncratic responses, but those two are the main ones in terms of safety/harm reduction
 
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Well yeah but one thing with an allergic reaction is that the reaction is most likely to happen on the second exposure, not the first exposure, as the first exposure just sensitizes you, triggering production of antibodies that will cause the anaphlactic reaction on the second exposure. So if you really wanted to protect your self, you'd do your test twice, allowing at least a week in between for the build up of antibodies.

Fortunately, allergic reactions to simple phenethylamines and simple tryptamines, though not impossible, are pretty much entirely unheard of. Of course, who knows what else in is your sample?
 
^ For the anaphylaxis bit, I'm working on the basis that previous exposure to a similar compound would have already done the sensetizing (like it's the beta-lactam ring of penecillins that causes the sensetization. Once you have a bad reaction to one penecillin, you'll have it to all penecillins - and other beta-lactam containing antibiotics as well).

The genetic predisposition, through having or not having particular enzymes involved in the metabolism (eg the isoenzyme for CYP 2D6 that some people have - doesn't O-demethylate DXM, codeine etc) is pretty well outlined & understood for lots of drugs
 
Just a question, SWIM was going to purchase about 12 mg's already mixed with water(in case the guy runs out and can't get his hands on it for quite a while) and was going to use the DOC on occasion, whats the proper storage, He has already tried the mixture and knows it's the real deal. Glass jar with airtight lid in the fridge, maybe wrapped in foil? and how long will this mixture last under that condition?
 
X3DFX said:
I have a question..

If you were to take .7mg DOC and then take another .7mg 2 hours later would 2 hours after that would it feel roughly like you had taken 1.4mg all at once?
Any other thoughts on this method of dosing?
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When I took 6mg, spaced out in 2mg doses each about 1 hour apart, the experience was notably weaker than another time when I took 4mg all at once.

In fact, the 6mg spread out over three hours was barely any stronger than 2mg taken on one occasion.

Therefore this leads me to believe that DOC builds a strong acute tolerance, perhaps even moreso than LSD.
 

Edited for content. PM me if you have questions. Try this again, you get more warnings.


gloggowogga said:
And if any has anything else to say to me about this, say it to me by PM. This thread is supposed to be about DOC,
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I edited your post for a legitimate reason. Its off topic.- gl
 
I wish everyone would just drop yelling at each other about whats already gone on/been posted in here. I think everyone has gotten the point that its not a good idea to dive in, or take overly large doses, that nobody cares about who's taken the most or tripped the hardest.

I don't want anyone to be discouraged from posting here, especially since the "is DOC + <insert substance> combo safe?" kind of threads are starting to appear.
 
fizzacyst said:
I don't want anyone to be discouraged from posting here, especially since the "is DOC + <insert substance> combo safe?" kind of threads are starting to appear.
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That brings up a good point I believe, I don't think it has been mentioned much in the thread, but does anyone know of any chemicals that could produce a possibley dangerous reaction with DOC? Either from a standpoint of experaince or that of a chemist?
 
I believe it would largely depend on the person.

Some people are finding this chemical stimulating (and in some cases, excessively peripherally stimulating), and others finding it relaxing and focused (like me). Of course, if you find this chemical very stimulating to begin with, mixing it with MDMA/MDA, other phenethylamines, or amphetamines could literally put somebody over the edge. They could have a panic attack or suffer from circulatory complications.

However, I suspect that for somebody like me, whose heart rate is maybe elevated 5-10% by DOC, these combinations could be feasable.

The only things I have mixed with DOC are Cannabis, LSD, and alcohol. These all mixed with DOC just fine, for me.

I really have no interest in mixing other psychedelics with DOC though. I suspect, in many cases, it would be too intense for my tastes. Additionally, it would just give me something else to worry about during the trip. The time I mixed LSD with DOC was more of a transitional experiment; the DOC was taken 8-9 hours after the LSD was taken.

Anyway, I think right now the best answer we have regarding the safety of combinations with DOC is this: It depends how you react to DOC and the other substance.

Of course like fastandbulbous said, MAOI + amphetamine-like substances is a bad idea.
 
^You truly found this stuff relaxing? All I can say is that you're wired up very differently to me.
Out of interest are you one of proponents of the view that DOC is equal to or superior to LSD?

zophen
 
For the anaphylaxis bit, I'm working on the basis that previous exposure to a similar compound would have already done the sensetizing (like it's the beta-lactam ring of penecillins that causes the sensetization. Once you have a bad reaction to one penecillin, you'll have it to all penecillins - and other beta-lactam containing antibiotics as well).
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Yeah but what material similar to DOC would one have been exposed to that would sensitize one to it?
 
Not "relaxing" like Valium, of course, but smooth, calm, and focused. I find a few other psychedelics to have relaxing properties as well. But then again, I enjoy the psychedelic experience, and if my trip is fun and side effect free I might feel relaxed like I'm on a nice vacation or something.

And, I'm fairly certain I never said DOC was better than LSD. LSD remains my favorite psychedelic. Actually it could be said that I'm overly skeptical that any psychedelic could beat LSD in my book.

However, DOC does have a few characteristics in common with LSD. And some aspects, like appreciation of music and enhanced musical abilities are better than with any other drug I've tried.

A few people have told me DOC gets incredibly deep beyond any LSD trip they've ever had. I believe them, but I have no interest in a stronger DOC experience than I've already had at this time. I'd rather take acid ;)
 
Well how about a 2C-E vs DOC discussion.

It seems like its agreed that 2ce is very 'deep' and good for doing work, uncovering feelings and memmories and that sort of stuff. It also seems agreed that DOC is good for these things too.

So can anyone say some words about which is better for that sort of thing, or how they differ, and why and how and what not ?
 
Finding that due to some genetic quirk that you're allergic to the drug (anaphlaxis) or that you don't metabolize it like most people (possibly much stronger for you than most other people). There are other 'funny little responses' included under idiosyncratic responses, but those two are the main ones in terms of safety/harm reduction
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If you take the view that you need to test for these reactions, then shouldn't you be taking similar tests everytime you eat a new food, drink a new drink, visit a new restaurant, get prescribed a new drug from the doctor etc etc. In fact every time you consume a chemical you haven't consumed before you should be going through this process. I'm not knocking what you're doing and by all means do what makes you feel safe, but in a world where we are constantly coming into contact with, and consuming new chemicals, surely worrying about idiosyncratic reactions from these chems is just a drop in the ocean?
 
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Personally I'm more concerned about being stuck in a potentially painful and psychologically tormenting 20 hour trip than, uhm, anything I've ever encountered in the world of culinary delights ;)
 
Pleased that you're not one of the DOC:( is superior brigade. Though I'm sure people will say my opinions are based upon ignorance.
LSD=D is loverly stuff and DOC:( is not .
Now then 2ce:D versus DOC:( , well 2ce:D is a nice drug(in reasonably sensible amounts) once the dodgy gut has passed it's very pleasant and colourful. DOC:( on the other hand has a persistence of physical side effects which continue far longer and do not ever fade completely.
My conclusion is 2ce:D beats DOC:( by a country mile.
So
LSD=D



2CE
















DOC

zophen
 
lol.

I think i might have gotten on your nerves when I said I'd consider DOC about on par with LSD if it didn't have the long duration and trailing comedown.

I don't think your views are based on ignorance. When I said I didn't have a nostolgic attachment to LSD or anything like that to bias me towards LSD, I wasn't poking at you.

I was first exposed to psychedelic drugs in early 2001 -- LSD. Then shortly thereafter numerous other ones. So there wasn't a long period for me to take a specific drug to the exclusion (for the most part) of others before being exposed to some of the more recent designer compounds. I was exposed to them all around the same time.

I don't really think its a better drug, either. I just think it has a pretty high rank on my personal list. I don't really have a set favorite either.. kind of floats around between LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, and now DOC.

The length of time it takes to get back into a state where I can function normally is my major complaint. I can't go around taking things all the time if I need a full 48 hours to be totally sober, and then some time after that to sleep, chill, and kind of ground myself.

I try not to think about the drugs in such a way that I won't allow something else to top whatever it is I happen to be taken with. I feel like I'd be cheating myself if something special came around, and I didn't allow myself to fully enjoy it because of reinforced feelings that there is no way a different drug could be better than one I've called my favorite.

Not saying you do that, but I have friends that do. I feel as if they've missed out a bit on other things because of this. I'm not talking about DOC, either... mostly some of the more interesting tryptamines.

I don't want to add hype to the DOC situation. Its nice for me, but there are other nice drugs out there, have been, and there will be new ones.

Its all subjective, really... aside from drugs that just plain suck by causing some sort of negative physical reaction or are toxic.
 
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