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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Blowmonkey said:
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I'm glad you're still able to laugh about it. Because when I first looked at your post I was actually a bit shocked. 10 mg is one hell of a dose. Even rectally administered it's about equal to 20 mg oral. Insufflated it's roughly ~3 times as potent, though it varies, I don't know how it exactly is for this chemical. You should be glad to be okay.

Next time try to double-check the dosages.
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well at least we know the attack dosage isn't low :)
 
Blowmonkey said:
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I'm glad you're still able to laugh about it. Because when I first looked at your post I was actually a bit shocked. 10 mg is one hell of a dose. Even rectally administered it's about equal to 20 mg oral. Insufflated it's roughly ~3 times as potent, though it varies, I don't know how it exactly is for this chemical. You should be glad to be okay.

Next time try to double-check the dosages.
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I've had more fun the last 5 hours than the previous several months. haha. And the majority of that was spent looking at my hand. hahaha


But in all seriousness, yes, I agree. If anyone out there is reading this, PLEASE don't do anything NEAR what I did unless your tolerance has been built up like mine has.


4mg is a good starting dose for this stuff. not 10mg, and certainly not insufflated.

(and most definitively not ~30mg over a 36 hour period. Damn


At least, yes, the attack dosage isn't low. haha.
 
4mgs is not a good starting dose. one should start at a lower dose since everyone may not have the tolerance you do plus everyone reacts differently to psychedelics.
 
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Yes, that's true, I apologize. Shulgin's recommended dose of 2-3mg is a good starting point, though I found it to be personally insubstantial. Everyone is different.
 
no apology needed. im not going by shulgin's experimental range data.

people have had mind shattering experiences on 4mgs. so probably not good to recommend that as a starting level.

not much is known about this chemical so its best to be extremely cautious.
 
holy shit i saw last night what everyone was talking about.. OMG the most amazing trip of my life.. words cannot describe the boundless beauty.. truly a magical substance.. i had my ++++ :-)
 
Well I had what will probably be my last trip ever on DOC last night (15mg). It was all cool for the first 6 hours then my tv started tuning into channels that dont exist and somehow god found his way to my home and my head to shatter my mind and scare the living shit out of me. Anyways I came out in one piece surprisingly but man it was one immensely fucked up night. When god starts talking to you on your tv from channels that dont even exist its time to hang up the hat and call it quits before I go mental. I know I saw something last night that I certainly should not have.
I think ill just leave it at that and give my words of warning to everyone: be careful what you wish for because it might come out horribly disastrous.
 
^for anyone that has never touched DOC or DOx drugs, DEFINATELY.
some people just like to get utterly shattered and flogged by a psychedelic.
and without much if any info on doing that much, it's most certainly a big risk.
I've snorted maybe 6-8mg of DOI before and ate 10mg more and was fine..just tripped my face off.

on the other hand. i dont think im going any farther into DOC..20mg was enough..and next time im snorting a small dose, then im done for a while with this stuff.

I want mushies or cid or DMT or something...MESCALINE!
 
Are you on other drugs, including prescription medications? How often do you take drugs like this?

On average, I'm dosing once every 1.5-2months, and I don't consider myself a lightwieght and 6mg DOC destroyed me (and I use smaller amounts of benzos fairly regularly).

If there is no safety information available, are some of you not a bit concerned about taking doses 3-4 times that large and/or snorting it (where some of the PEA deaths seem to be occuring)?

I understand there is variability, but I'm wondering about people taking over 10mg of this stuff. There has got to be major tolerance, effect-reducing drugs or meds, or impure DOC. I just can't understand taking more than that, and certainly not snorting it.

I don't want to be a damper on anyone's good time, but I'm really curious about this. I'm quite convinced there will be a major (newsworthy) accident before long if the general population with access to DOC is dosing in this way. It concerns me.
 
I recently aquired DOC and have been debating whether or not I am prepared to use it. This will be my first experience with serious psychadelics. My past experience with hallucinogens entails mushrooms and salvia.

I have thought about trying LSD, but I do not have a connection for it. I have also talked to my friends with LSD and DOC experience. A couple said that DOC has a more relaxed, natural feel to it and that I would probably be better off experimenting with DOC.

After doing a good amount of research, I am beginning to feel pretty comfortable with DOC, but I want to feel 100% confident before I embark on my adventure.

I was hoping that someone could provide a bit of advice for a first timer.
 
doc can smash your ego just like acid. in fact you accidently take a larger dose then you make get some pretty fucked OEVs like eyeballs crawling on your ceiling, god speaking to you through your radio, ecetra ecetra.

be careful of the dosage or you will be in the ride of your life.
 
Well I had what will probably be my last trip ever on DOC last night (15mg). It was all cool for the first 6 hours then my tv started tuning into channels that dont exist and somehow god found his way to my home and my head to shatter my mind and scare the living shit out of me. Anyways I came out in one piece surprisingly but man it was one immensely fucked up night. When god starts talking to you on your tv from channels that dont even exist its time to hang up the hat and call it quits before I go mental. I know I saw something last night that I certainly should not have.
I think ill just leave it at that and give my words of warning to everyone: be careful what you wish for because it might come out horribly disastrous.
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Wow - well especially after reading your one trip report, discussing "the vortex thingie" etc etc, i'm REALLY interested in more details! I'd love to see a report if you want to write one,

Actually now that you mention the TV channels, the girl i know that went into the "time stop/loop" vortex and saw the aliens etc etc, said she was actually watching TV when the time loop thing started happening. There was a tornado on the television, and although she didnt go into all that much detail, at some point she realised that what she was seeing on the TV wasn't really there, think she even unplugged it or something.. anyway the tornado/vortex was the time loop thing/fractal which she stared at a second too long making everything loop in on itself and sucked her right in.

I'd like to hear more about this because this fractal vortex thingie intrigued me so much that I did want to take a larger dose someday in the right setting and well, look for the vortex and try to get time to loop back onto itself etc and explore..
 
fizzacyst said:
People react differently to all these drugs. However, I don't hold any particular fascination or nostalgic attachment to LSD, .
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Now then i got thinking about this and i've come to the conclusion that the way people feel about acid is probably decided the first time they take it (in decent quantities anyway). I say this as some people who've taken good acid the first time sometimes have not been "in love " with the experience.
I reckon those with lives which have had "difficulty" in them are more likely to "love" acid as it provides them with a view they aren't used to or haven't experienced. See the first time i tripped was the first time in my life experienced beauty and also compassion/empathy(this i consider the more important). To discover that this is possible and realise the implication behind it (love) is probably about the most profound of realisations.
For this reason i do have fascination and nostalgic attatchment to acid.
However if i took something which could roughly mimic acid i'd know it and i'd like it.
I think that some other psychedelics do deserve "credit" if you will for being able to produce similar(ish) states, such as mescaline, mushrooms, DPT, 4aco Mipt, and (even though on the outer edge) 2ce and 2cp.
Now i would say that the other drugs i'm going to mention provide hallucinations but they have no "soul, emotional content", which i regard as a pointless exercise, unless trying them out for the purpose of discovering their nature. These would be all DOxx compounds (maybe excepting DOM) 2cd, 5meo AMT(some saving grace) 5meo DMT(sometimes!!) and several others which haven't had enough about them to even cause me to recollect them.
So in essence although fizzycysts comment has validity, it would never cause me to condemn another drug just because it wasn't acid. I would condemn it based on the subjective experience of myself (and others whose "history" i know intimately) and for no other reason.
zophen(unashamed LSD romantic)=D
 
blab said:
doc can smash your ego just like acid. in fact you accidently take a larger dose then you make get some pretty fucked OEVs like eyeballs crawling on your ceiling, god speaking to you through your radio, ecetra ecetra.

be careful of the dosage or you will be in the ride of your life.
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What's weird is I hadn't experienced ego loss until I read about it, and it wasn't a goal during my trip to obtain it, it's just something that happened. A coincidence? I dunno, or maybe my subconcious wanted to experience it? I haven't experienced it on DOC, just lsd and just recently ketamine (but i don't like ego-loss so the 2nd time I started feeling it I prevented it from overwhelming me)
 
About me and my last trip: I am not on any prescription drugs whatsoever in fact I dont intake anything besides psychedelics food and soda. I am an extremely experienced tripper with well 100s of trips under my belt with well over 3 dozen different substances. This is the first time that something like this has ever happened to me. I will not write a trip report about this one. I saw things that no mortal should see. the flow of data to my head was so fast and intense I literally could not remember what I had just said right after I said it. It was absolute and utter sensory overload. It became no longer a massive amount of information being jammed into my head but a near infinite amount of information being jammed in my head. I believe that my brain was acting as some sort of transmitter vibrating at a different frequency. Even on normal channels on the tv I could hear the tv twinge and rattle and different words were being fed into the mouths of shows I had already watched. When I say I had contact with god I mean it in a literal sense he was not only talking to me on the tv but inside my own head. Its like someone was literally walking me in to every moment. Everyone and every thing around me became a means of communicating with me for it. Like I said I witnessed something that I should not have.If I divulged any more information on what I saw I think I would actually be in danger even now. I will just say whatever it was it barely let me live and told me I had a destiny. It even went so far as to control my own body and I could visibly watch it doing so. I came out knowing things that I should not know and that I wont tell anyone else. Even if I did tell you it would seem like pure and absolute madness.

My point: be careful. DOC is no ordinary psychedelic. It unleashed something on me that I doubt any mortal could possibly even hope to understand.
 
@ T+2 i had convinced myself i had somehow OD'd and was dying as everything was flashing on and off like a flipping lightswitch. I begged my friends to take me to the hospital i was sure i had done it this time. They didnt and insisted i ride it out. After maybe an hour of me being terrified they started playing some kind of game with me where i would repeat my name and part of a story.. within about 20 minutes the flashing stopped and things started to get better.. then within 30 minutes the trip was amazing!
 
By the way it wasnt mere ego loss it was ego annihilation. I am still trying to reconstruct my own mind even now.
 
poria said:
This will be my first experience with serious psychadelics. My past experience with hallucinogens entails mushrooms and salvia.
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Shrooms & Salvia are serious psychedelic as well...it just depend the dose you take.
 
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