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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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That's why I always try a 5-10% of a normal dose to test for any idiosyncratic reaction before even considering an active dose.

This is possibly your life that could turn to shit, people. Safety is never too much hassle
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I should have added that! That is deffatly one of the golden rules to having a safe and sane 4th of July.

Always Dose/Start low, never awesome that you have gotten what you paid for! Remember the DOC / 2C-I mix up. That was fortunately a mix up where 2C-I is active at a much higher dose as DOC's 500ug T0 1mg threshold.
And For gods sake make sure you have a scale~
SWIMSAYSBAFS
 
Yes... Remember how I said someone I know recently got DOC instead of 2c-c? Well, it turns out he had leant some of the batch to a friend when he got it...the friend took 10mg 2c-i and 15mg 2c-c (really DOC) oral and my other friend (stupidly) neglected to tell him of the mistake after his trip.
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Just my humble opinion but......
1. Should have NEVER EVER lend out powerful chemicals to someone else. YIKES! Just an accident waiting to happen.

2. If the friend of the friend died. He may be held legally liable for the death. Charges from death could include manslaughter charges, reckless endangement, etc..........

3. Not to mention how awful your friend would feel because his careless actions led to the death of his friend.

It's just plain stupid to throw these chemicals around like candy.
 
Well now i've obtained some really good acid, and can now kinda compare the two..

To me it seems like DOC suprasses LSD in depth by far - higher doses (for me about 6mg+). But to say one is "better" than the other I can't say that because to me they are both different drugs, which open a lot of the same doors up but offer their own unique deep stuff.

The safer of the two, LSD hands down. Not just because of its proven overall safeness over all these years but, well, with DOC, I unfortunately do 'expect' a lot more freakouts and people sent to the ER probably not for real actual physical problems.. but.. well, "freaking out".

Also I see it much more dose sensitive than LSD, where if DOC is laid onto blotter, and one hit roughly feels like a hit of acid, two hits will be like 3 hits of acid.. 3 hits/6-7 hits, 4 hits DOC = 10 good hits of acid.. something like that.. but i just think where with LSD there's somewhat of a 'limit' - where you take enough of it and it doesn't do a whole lot more unless you take a fuckload more, with DOC to me, seems like that limit just isn't there and you could take "x hits of blotter DOC" and have it suprass eating 10mg's of LSD.

Oh yeah i'd have to tend to agree with BD on the issue of people liking DOC, in my own experience.. with a *lot* of people, the number of people that absolutely *love it* has got to be at least 95% of everyone, if not 100% (i can't think of one person who didn't like it a lot) - also, side effects or complaints about it - only thing might be that they can't get to sleep afterwards // long duration, but nobody ever said "its too long for me, never again" - more like, "it lasted too long with me, something to take when i got a few days time or at the beginning of a weekend" etc etc.

I know one friend so far who's #1 psychedelic has always been LSD, like "nothing can beat acid.. ", until he took DOC.. then did take a high dose of acid sometime afterwards and said he was just thinking about how he can't wait to get home and dive into that DOC stash - "its not that one is better than the other, its that before, there was just.. LSD, now, we have a choice between LSD and DOC" - something I tend to agree with myself now after a couple high dose LSD trips...

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^Wow i find this hard to believe, but i respect your posts yaesutom so i'll just have to give it a whirl myself. I've been sitting on it for a little while now but reading this post has grabbed my attention. I am surprised that this claim has been made but i ain't tried it yet so i can't really claim either way. Have you tried 4aco Mipt and if so where do you rate it in relation to acid/DOC?

zophen.
 
I have found what yaesutom is reporting to be the case as well. I've also been sitting on a stash of pretty strong blotter acid. I LOVE acid, its at the top of my list. When I got this stash, I hadn't had any LSD in about 2 years. I took some at an outdoor psy party in July. Since then, its been sitting in the freezer on hold. I've been taking the DOC instead of LSD when I have a chance to trip. Part of it is just the fun of having a new drug. But a big part of it is the quality of the DOC experience.

I haven't given it to many people yet, but the ones that have taken it all loved it.

At 6mg, it was beyond profound... extremely deep, extremely visual. I'll try to write up a trip report on that experience at some point.
 
zophen said:
I am surprised that this claim has been made but i ain't tried it yet so i can't really claim either way. Have you tried 4aco Mipt and if so where do you rate it in relation to acid/DOC?

zophen.
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4-AcO-MiPT is quite a different experience than LSD and DOC. I really couldn't even begin to compare it to the others.
 
Yeah...like shrooms Muhahahaha
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Tokey, just stick with the weed dude.

the dox compounds are very powerful by themselves. its stupid to randomly mix them with anything until you know a lot about them. otherwise you may end up on a slab in the coroners office or in the mental ward talking to imaginary ghosts.

Tokey, if you do buy doc or doi, don't stick your tongue in the bag thinking it is cool.
 
I'd say it had a little in common with acid visually and perhaps emotionally, certainly closer than say 2c e, d, p etc closer than dom, dob also.
I mean that it is one of the substances i'd put closer to acid, doesn't mean i think it's like acid. A number of others on this board and off it agree that it has similarities, still it's entirely subjective. So then dave soviet are you saying that acid and doc are so close (in your opinion) that any other drug does not compare to them, also what was your opinion before you tried doc?

zophen.
 
Go to your local pharmacy and buy a couple of drug test kits and test 5 hours after you have ingested one of the DO* compounds. has anyone done this?

There are numberous other drug tests an employer can do.

my guess is that it may show up as an amphetamine if it would show up.
 
blab said:
Tokey, just stick with the weed dude.

the dox compounds are very powerful by themselves. its stupid to randomly mix them with anything until you know a lot about them. otherwise you may end up on a slab in the coroners office or in the mental ward talking to imaginary ghosts.

Tokey, if you do buy doc or doi, don't stick your tongue in the bag thinking it is cool.
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Uh huh. It sounds like you've never stuck your tongue in anything huh? Well too bad.

Doc is a phenethylamine and Pc in a tryptamine. <name-calling removed>

I thought I would add that if you are combining these, you should know what your doing and not to push the limits as they will probably have synergistic action. Im not sure if DOC has any MAOI qualities, but if it does then it would be very synergistic and might be dangerous at high doses.
 
What a fucking disappointment

Well me and the missus necked 2mg of DOC last night. OK it is powerful, and that's the most positive thing i can say about it. Give me DOM anytime over this.
Typical psych amphet background tension fluctuating temprature etcetera.
At t + 8 hours i asked my wife "well how does it compare to acid then" she responded with "it doesn't it's a heap of shite". I agree with her.
One aspect which may have coloured our experience is the fact that we're both busy reducing our opiate intake in preparation for coming off, however this has not adversely affected our acid trips so figure that one!

Shulgins comment "few if any of the subtle graces" is an understatement.
Frankly we're puzzled at this positive comparison to LSD, perhaps it's coz i'm getting old. No more no way it's not nice!!!!

zophen
 
you need a higher dose. and i personally find it a lot more stimulating than LSD, so when reducing your opiate intake, you're naturally gonna be more irritable and pissed off..at least i would.

I personally like LSD better..good clean L that is. But DOC is definatel a great quality chem. Then again, i will probably say that about any DOx drug :D
 
I'm not encouraging anyone to immediately jack the dose way up (quite the opposite), but if 2mg doesn't do it for you and its not the case where you just really dont liek the drug, consider taking a larger dose. After taking 2mg, and 6mg, i think you can underdose and be dissapointed. Maybe 3-3.5mg, or possibly 4mg (not a first time).

I have a feeling the effects don't really fully develop until you get a solid dose. Its irritating as fuck to be mildly tripping for that long.
 
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