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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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The shit has a melting point of 193-194.5 °C, no way it's gonna evaporate by shining some light on it, it also won't oxidize, these halo-amphetamine derivatives are very stable compounds, if you really have a working scale and have calibrated it each time, then you're probably just spilling shit all over the place, I can think of no other plausible explanation..

edit: damn lag, fizza beat me to it.
 
Heh.. I'm not sure how you all typically use your scales, but I can't see any easier or better way than what I do: I have a tin-foil like thing bent so its shaped to hold a capsule at an angle upright, i put in a capsule, use a cut straw (cut at an angle so there's a 'scooper') as the scooper thing and pick up some powder, dump it in the capsule and look at the numbers..

You could keep the same straw just for DOC (or whatever chem) so any little powder left on the straw will still be on there - grab a dark green straw or some other dark color from a party store etc nearby then you can see the powder.

-- With the capsule thing, I mean to say thats how I usually measure out a dose of something that requires a much higher dose than DOC.. for DOC I scoop up 30mg's or whatever and dissolve it in water usually / liquid measurement from there.
 
For things like pharmaceutical assays, the accepted way of weighing things is to use the difference method (eg weight of drug & weighing paper =186mg; weight of weighing paper after adding drug to water or whatever =175mg. Therefore weight of drug added to water = 11mg). This takes into account any sticking to the weighing paper etc


blab said:
so so many people are getting doc that probably shouldn't. wont be long before the hospital reports start piling up.
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I'll give it 'till sometime in January until Erowid has a DOC 'Train Wrecks & other accidents' report involving a visit to a hospital A&E dept. Some people just don't understand that a couple of milligrams of a compound can have a dramatic effect on the body's physiology. God forbid that any RC vendor gets it into their head to start offering N-ethyl-nor-LSD (TIHKAL #12); the psyche hospitals would start filling up at an alarming rate
 
Considering I haven't heard of anyone having a worse reaction than nausea/vomit or excess stimulation from this chemical, no matter what dose... I don't think we need to be hanging off the edge of our seats for a trainwreck or hospitalization here.

I mean, a trainwreck trip is bound to happen at some point. But then again they do with every psychedelic.

All the kids are saying it tastes like "maple sugar candy" now?? LOL... I used that line as a joke in my first trip report about this stuff. Whoever takes that literally is going to be dissapointed (especially if they like maple sugar candy).
 
Symptoms in the 8 negative reports I linked to earlier included:

Chest pressure/pain.
Stomach pain
body temperature instability
muscle twitching/shaking
lethargy
nausea/vomiting.
siezures

With effects like that, I would say ER visits are a real possibility.
 
haha blue dolphin that was good. (runs to store for maple sugar candy).

I agree with glogga on this one. It is a very real possibility especially considering the volume in which it is showing up. Youre bound to get some inexperienced kid go head over heels and freak the hell out and end up in the ER. its just a matter of time.

Can you tell I have no faith in humanity?
 
From what I have heard, several of Jake Duroy's friends had snorted 35mg of 2c-t-7 and didn't have any problems at all. So just because a given dose doesn't cause one person any problems, it doesn't mean it can't kill another person.

Can you tell I have no faith in humanity?
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Not even Darwin?
 
Plus, with any drug there are always the people who are extremely susceptible to the compound and will have a very negative reaction. That's why with a new compound such as this, one should always take an extremely small amount to test for allergic reactions, etc..., and then if all is good start with a relatively low dose and work up from there.

Unfortunately even on a board such as this where there are many knowledgable folks, this is the exception not the rule. When it's available on the street, the odds of this happening drop considerably.

As this compound becomes more available and more people take it common sense tells us that there are going to be serious train wrecks, it's not a question of "if", but "when".
 
to glogga: nope not even darwin.

Seuss: like you said not if but when. I see it as a numbers game more or less. Like a virus really. It spreads rapidly and while many will survive there are always some that will not.
 
psychicpsycho said:
haha blue dolphin that was good. (runs to store for maple sugar candy).

I agree with glogga on this one. It is a very real possibility especially considering the volume in which it is showing up. Youre bound to get some inexperienced kid go head over heels and freak the hell out and end up in the ER. its just a matter of time.

Can you tell I have no faith in humanity?
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I already know one that did. Careful, folks.
 
^ cCan you post more details? (why he went, how much he took, his response, what else was he on, etc, etc)
 
kinesis420 said:
this is really strange phenomena, when i first ordered my DOC from the guy it weighed under... about 94mg

two days later it weighs 84mg

today it weighs in the mid 70's.


Is light causing it to evaporate?

Nobody has had access to it except for me, and its locked safely in my cabinet.

is my tanita just falling apart ?

I theorize that light makes it disapear maybe?
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Evaporation by light, this is novel!

zophen.
 
fizzacyst said:
^ cCan you post more details? (why he went, how much he took, his response, what else was he on, etc, etc)
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Yes... Remember how I said someone I know recently got DOC instead of 2c-c? Well, it turns out he had leant some of the batch to a friend when he got it...the friend took 10mg 2c-i and 15mg 2c-c (really DOC) oral and my other friend (stupidly) neglected to tell him of the mistake after his trip... within 30 minutes he was getting visuals bad, and was around his family at the time. Ended up completely incoherent in an hour, and was rushed to the hospital by his mother and sister. I don't have anymore details beyond that, sorry.

No idea if he was on anything else.
 
What city or state was this in? Is he OK?

That's a terrible mistake, luckily he did not take the usual dose of 30 to 45mg.
I seen them both and you can tell the difference between the 2! There's a hint of a chlorine smell to 2C-C and it isn't crystalline looking like DOC it's more of a soft powder.
 
Toltec said:
What city or state was this in? Is he OK?

That's a terrible mistake, luckily he did not take the usual dose of 30 to 45mg.
I seen them both and you can tell the difference between the 2! There's a hint of a chlorine smell to 2C-C and it isn't crystalline looking like DOC it's more of a soft powder.
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Ontario... I'll let you know the outcome when I talk to the friend who gave it to him next.

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xxxxxx: he went crazy is all i know
xxxxxx: paramedics had trouble keeping him down
xxxxxx: havent heard anything since :/
 
Toltec said:
What city or state was this in? Is he OK?

That's a terrible mistake, luckily he did not take the usual dose of 30 to 45mg.
I seen them both and you can tell the difference between the 2! There's a hint of a chlorine smell to 2C-C and it isn't crystalline looking like DOC it's more of a soft powder.
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That's not enough for me to risk my psychological (& possibly physical) health on. That's why I always try a 5-10% of a normal dose to test for any idiosyncratic reaction before even considering an active dose. Had that been followed here, the person would have taken 1.5-3mg of what he thought was 2C-C (5-10% of a 'normal' 30mg dose), but when it turned out to be DOC, it wouldn't have turned into a complete nightmare.

As well as making sure that you don't have an unusual reaction to the drug, low dose screening of any new compound batch acts as a safety net against this sort of thing happening. When you're dealing with these sort of compounds and their possible effect on your health, always assume that someone has made a balls up, identity wise, until proved otherwise.

That's not meant to be insulting to friends in any way - I'd hope they'd treat me the same way in similar circumstances. It's no reflection on anyone, just having a plan to deal with the worst case scenario.

This is possibly your life that could turn to shit, people. Safety is never too much hassle


Here endeth the rant!
 
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