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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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to each his own.

some love doc some hate hate it.
its better than lsd for some and inferior to lsd for others.

none the less, its very very powerful.
 
zophen said:
Pleased that you're not one of the DOC is superior brigade. Though I'm sure people will say my opinions are based upon ignorance.

DOC:( on the other hand has a persistence of physical side effects which continue far longer and do not ever fade completely.
My conclusion is 2ce:D beats DOC:( by a country mile.
So
LSD=D

DOC

zophen
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Huh, I never experienced any lasting side effects from DOC. A nice afterglow the next day, that's all.

My conclusion is
LSD =D =D
DOC =D
2CC =D
Mush =D

Only 2C-B, Methylone, DOI, MDA, and 2C-I get a frown face from me...

;)
 
Kinda swerving a bit but anyways. People asked about reactions with other compounds/things while on DOC my response is thus. I dont really see why you would want to mix this stuff with anything its powerful enough on its own. maybe at low doses perhaps but bec careful and aim low.
 
psychicpsycho said:
Kinda swerving a bit but anyways. People asked about reactions with other compounds/things while on DOC my response is thus. I dont really see why you would want to mix this stuff with anything its powerful enough on its own. maybe at low doses perhaps but bec careful and aim low.
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I asked not because I was wondering how fun it would be to take some DOC and pop a couple Rolls or something like that, lol. I was more bringing it up for the intellectual and educational values, cause im sure there are people who r gonna mix this substance with others so I was hoping to get any info on known dangerous combos out in the open.
 
I tried to merge it with the Big & Dandy DOC thread, because thats clearly where a thread about DOC belongs. There was a software upgrade and some kind of glitch that messed the thread up.

When its fixed, this is going to going to go back there.
 
I agree with nuke on the scale thing. at least have a scale accurate to 0.001g at absolute least..

On your question about normality that really all depends how good you are handling yourself. Ultimately experience is the issue here. I have been around people on 9mg of DOC and none were able to tell. Keep in mind I have a lot of experience playing normal and even under intense trips I can still feign normality (though if you really are looking for it then you will most likely find it). I have been around hundreds of people on dozens of substances and none were able to tell unless I told them. This is due to experience though.

Not everyone can look normal while tripping and some not at all. Your best bet is to simply wait until you have ample amounts of time to do this compound because it is intense and if you are not very experienced chances are you will have a hard time pulling yourself together around other people. It took some time to learn the trick of looking normal so dont expect it to come overnight.

One other thing If you dont have enough time to make it through the whole duration in comfortable set and setting then you probably shouldnt be considering it. There is a right time for everything. When it comes to psychs the best time is when you have plenty of time.
 
Okay. Thanks everyone.

psychicpsycho: I'm not experienced with DOC at all, but I am fairly experienced with psychedelics in general (mushrooms 75+ times, acid several times, 2c-e, 2c-i and 2c-c at least 20 times each, ayahuasca once, mescaline twice, and others I believe, but I can't remember). I have, on many occasions, had to socialize with people without giving away that I'm tripping, and been fine.

And you have a point about waiting for the right time. Believe me, I know all about that. Thing is, though, I have an opportunity to get a fair amount of DOC for real cheap this weekend, and this weekend only. I wanted to try it before I dropped a couple hundred bucks on .5 g, though, in case I find it to be total garbage. Due to circumstances, tonight is really the only time I have that I could do it before this weekend.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll give it some thought, and perhaps if it doesn't look like it's going to work out, I'll just get the half-gram anyway. Hell, even if I hate it, I could make a hell of a profit on it. :)

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Bluedolphin: so you're saying a scale accurate to 2 mg would do the trick then, if I did what you described? That's good, because they seem a lot cheaper than 1 mg scales.

Thanks a lot for the response. I think I'm probably gonna give it a shot tonight.
 
I managed to fix the other thread but for some reason it won't let me merge this one into it. I'll try again later.

would one accurate to 2 mg work if he used the solution method (for instance measure out 15 mg, then dissolve in 15 mL of alcohol and dose by measuring out mL's)?
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If you measure out 15mg on a 2mg accuracy scale you are going to get 15mg +- 2mg, i.e somewhere between 13mg and 17mg. Or percentage wise thats +- 2/15 = +-13.3% accuracy. Is that enough accuracy to satisfy you?

If you use a larger amount to dissolve you'll get a better percentage accuracy. For example, when I did mine for solution I weighed 20mg on my 2mg scale. That gives me +-10% accuracy. So IOW the 3mg dose that did was actually somewhere between 2.7 and 3.3 mg. Now if I had wanted +-5% accuracy, then I would of had to weigh out 40mg on my 2mg scale, (2/40 = 5%).

So first, decide what level of accuracy you want, and then from there figure out how much you need to weigh on a 2mg scale to get that accuracy.
 
Ray K. Hessel said:
Have any of you noticed changes in your thoughts after varied psychedelic use?

[*]Was there a change in your ability to do mathematical work or some sort of quantative analysis afterwords?
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:) ...
 
I was at a rolling 20 hour + experience at 3 mg. I don't think I could have acted normal for the life of me, considering it was my only second time trying psychs other than LSD 7 years ago. But it is something I can learn to control though? I do not wanna control it but there were pionts in the trip where I had to make a phone call or something or other like make cofee where I had to at least be sane for a few seconds messing with hot pots and cooking in the oven. I wasn't expecting to be on that long 20+ hours but I fully did enjoy it. And I look back and I wouldn't have wanted it to be any different
 
could someone please describe the various stages this chemical puts one through, and what doses were needed, kind of like how Salvia has five levels that are dose dependant. can anyone report on this?
 
2C Extraordinary said:
could someone please describe the various stages this chemical puts one through, and what doses were needed, kind of like how Salvia has five levels that are dose dependant. can anyone report on this?
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^^yes please someone explain this, also when I had the experience I did not breakthrough because of fear of not coming back, what is a technique on how and when I should experience a breakthrough.
 
gloggawogga said:
Yeah but what material similar to DOC would one have been exposed to that would sensitize one to it?
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4- halo amphetamines I'd reckon (DOB & DOI). It might seem overcautious to some, but I'd hate to find myself gasping for breath during a 16 hour trip - how to scare the shit out of yourself
 
to people asking for various levels of experience I have a few points on the subject.

1. High intensity levels do not seem to be all too dosage dependant for some if not many people. Though there is a point (usually about 10mg or so) where it can become just absolutely overwhelming and at some points complete sensory overload.

2. Breakthrough mindblowing experiences on this compound as well as a few others are not dosage dependant. If you cannot give absolute control to the experience then you will not breakthrough simple as that. A friend had a breakthrough experience at 2.5 mg I have had them on 4 of 5 experiences ranging from 5-15mg. It has nothing to do with dosage and everything to do with your mindset and your willingness.
 
^^ the breakthrough seems very tough IMO, I get into a very relaced state with the music flowing and I start to drift away then BLAM im back on the ground,am I missing something key here??besides the letting go mindset and willingness? I have another chance to experiment in 2 weeks and I have every intention on doing as I am told
 
Its one of those things you might not find if you look for it.

Thats not some BS zen way of dodging your question -- if you are so focused on something like that I think its a lot less likely to happen. You can plan your surroundings, try to get in a pleasant frame of mind, dose appropriately and everything.. but thats about it. You can't really force a "breakthrough" experience with a deep psychedelic*. Go with the flow. Accept it. Don't fight the drug, and don't constantly think about it. Just chill.

* I mean in terms of a richness of experience. That "next level" of immersion. You can obviously smoke things like DMT or 5-MeO-DMT and rocket off to another dimension... thats not quite what i mean.
 
Also what about DOC outside, has anyone really experienced it fully, I know when I was laying in the dark blacklit room I keep seeing this kind of bright light trying to push the darkness away when my eyes were closed, and kept feeling and hearing that I should be outside or in the daylight. Has anyone had a similar experience, I think I had read that somewhere in this forum about the daytime - outside aspect of this chem. I beleive I missed out on something not staying outdoors for very long. Sorry for making so many post like this, most of the post here are detailed discussion of this chem and I'm just asking questions.
 
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