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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread

Hey,

So I've experimented what should be 2C-E at a 16 mg. Actually, i've had an experience far less intense than my previous experiences with 2C-I at 20mg !! So no problem about reverse tolerance...

I'm under the impression that i got 2C-C and not 2C-E...Do you think it's possible to find 2C-E (@16mg) less intense than a 2C-I experience (@20mg) ?
 
Jesus christ this drug is strong, and it is cold. Others have told me you have to provide your own warmth, but I can't. There's no hope of warmth here and in fact the very idea seems so fucking fruitless. Could you warm a blizzard by lighting an ember?

This thing is cold as a fucking grave to me, it's as cold as death. There are no answers here, and there is no hope. It just is- the rest of your life lied out before you, all of it. The sadness, the disappointment, the alienation, the fucking heartbreak and the hurt. It's all right there for ya, brother. Now take a fucking sip.

And in the face of such coldness as that, there's nothing I can do. There's no sufficient response, nothing reassurring at all to say. Just the depths of alienation, saying *hi* right back to you. As sad as that is, I can't even feel feelings anymore. Christ, I remember when I was a child with a head full of dreams and this limitless fucking future lying ahead, but all that shit is just irrevocably fucking gone and it's like once you've been broken too long you just can't ever quite get back. There's not a sight, a sound, a face that can ever bring it back. And even still I see the beauty to this day. I mean it's all around you. Just open up your fucking eyes. It shames me all the more to feel the way I feel in a world so fucking beautiful as this.

So go on and live another day, ya know? What else can you do. But what of the next day, and the next day, and the next day, and the next...............and so on into infinity and ever cold space and that final insult when they slam you into the dirt and say 'well here lies just another poor peckerhead, no one gives a crap for you''....... What I want to know is, what of the dreams? What became of all the dreams, the hopes, the wishes and aspirations that lived inside that child's head. What became of all the fucking joy I'd use to feel every waking moment, just simply by virtue of being alive? All of that shit is just so hopelessly fucking gone, every last bit of it. All I can do is mourn its passing, because there lies no hope any longer.
 
Thats how 2C-E made me feel too,although i don't think my description would have been quite so eloquent.
I hope you get something of value from your trip(I didn't)

Peace
:)
 
I know how you feel General. But music saved my life. Without it i would be dead. Art is the only thing that you cant predict the outcome of. I may know i get old and die, but i have no fucking clue what i may create to inspire myself tomorro. I live for this, and i love it. No matter how empty it gets, its always filled to the brim.

EDIT - I'm also bipolar/manic-depressive, so maybe my lack of constant sanity has helped me. Bleh
 
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i love 2ce, prolly my favorite psychedelic. i want to comment on doses. maybe its because im a big guy, but the recommended doses dont do much for me i need between 25-35 for a good trip and at doses above 40 mgs this substance shares alot of similarities to MDA and mescaline. everyone is different i guess.
 
Surpringsly I found 2C-E WAY more "warm/happy" then alot of other substances I have tried (ie mushrooms)

I find dissociatives to be "dark" but the phenethylamine works great with my ADD, I also thoroughly enjoyed the body buzz. My cousin commented on how it reminded him of the MDMA body buzz which I don't doubt since they are both phens.

I dosed @ 16mg about half full stomache and had one of the most rewarding trips of my life. I came to terms with how I am extremely analytical and what I need to do and how far I have matured. 2C-E and Mushrooms are the two most useful drugs I have tried.

I cannot even express how much I love what this drug has taught me. I use to have horrible social anxiety and very not confident of myself and since then it has all dissappeared even writing this sends goosebumps up and down me, with a tear jerker. 2C-E has made me love myself and for that I think this is one of the greatest drugs, more experiments will be conducted with things I've learned on the trip.

It shocks me such a great tool is going to become illegal. America: Land of the free, please :p
 
16mg would be a fine start, I'd say. I agree that it's the most visual substance I've ever taken, bar DMT.
 
Thanks for the help yous guys, and good tripreports piper, I think Im gonna stick with 16,maybe 14 ,I have found that the RCs just have not gotten me to where I want to go, although I understand the seriousness of the issue I believe I am ready for a full Psychedelic experience ala 2C-E. My girlfriend on the otherhand I beleive will be taking a much lower dose than I am for she is much less experrienced with psychedelics than I. Thanks again, I cant wait to experience this chemical.
 
Yes, it is good to start around 15mg or there. Some people like it higher though, like me, so don't get disappointed if the first test was not successful. 20mg is nice for me, but when I want to see strange things I like to dose over 30mg.
 
>I have found that the RCs just have not
>gotten me to where I want to go.

There is a serious fallacy in lumping many of these synthetics under the umbrella of "RC." People have got to stop presenting the picture of "RC" as some new catch-all class of compounds. Each compound is unique and should be treated as such.

* Prior experience with other psychedelics means absolutely nothing.

* Lack of scientific knowledge behind a chemical (the research chemical part) has no bearing on the pharmocology of a substance. Therefore, one cannot make any guess as to what kind of reaction will occur with 2C-E (or any psychedelic) based on the fact that it has had less research performed on it than say, LSD or DMT.

>I think Im gonna stick with 16, maybe 14.

At 20mg, I found the intensity of 2C-E approached smoked 5-MeO-DMT at times. With 16mg, the effects were half of that...but still comparable to 200ug-250ug of LSD. However a friend could reach a complete and powerful +3 with just 10mg of 2C-E. 16mg could be a violent overdose for him.

2C-E has an unrivaled dose/response curve once you get above a +2 level, and possesses the erractic nature that seems common in this family.

Definitely start below the 16mg range and be in a safe environment. I was in a secluded and safe spot in nature with 20mg. Definitelty not something I'd have been able to handle around others, or an uncontrolled environment.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I was in a secluded and safe spot in nature with 20mg. Definitelty not something I'd have been able to handle around others, or an uncontrolled environment.
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To coin a phrase, "Word." Don't expect to be in any position to interact with "normals" while on 2C-E. Of course you may be good at appearing normal, but I know I couldn't do it on 16mg, let alone 20.

With my 16mg initial dose I'm thinking of someone who has good experience of psychedelics and knows what can go on while tripping. I wouldn't recommend 2C-E at all for a beginner, at any dose.
 
I was just referring to Exotic Phenethylamines and Tryptamines as RCs, just to save time typing , I just think that out of all the vairous things Ive tried they just seem to be lacking or have outragous sideeffects, Im not saying anything about the term Research Chemical and equating it to pharmacology or how 2C-E will react to someone, Im just saying that of all the Exotic Phenethylamines (2ci, 2c-t-4, 2C-D) and Tryptamines (4hodipt, 5meoamt, aMT) that I have done, (to me) are not as intense as Id read, 2C-E sounds like the perfect fit for what I am looking for. I didnt coin the phrase research chemical.
 
2C-E and 4-HO-MiPT have provided the "fullest" psychedelic experience for me. I think these two are the two psychedelic research chemicals that will provide the type of mind blowing experience that some people look for but seldom find with some of the other semi-synthetics. Don't get me wrong. I have loved almost all of them that I've tried, and I respect every chemical in its own right, but these seem to be the two for those looking for something deep and intense.
 
lysergication said:
Hey,

So I've experimented what should be 2C-E at a 16 mg. Actually, i've had an experience far less intense than my previous experiences with 2C-I at 20mg !! So no problem about reverse tolerance...

I'm under the impression that i got 2C-C and not 2C-E...Do you think it's possible to find 2C-E (@16mg) less intense than a 2C-I experience (@20mg) ?
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Higher doses 2c-e are said to double in strength with every 2 mg's added... meaning 18 is twice as strong as 16, and 20 is twice as strong again... I could be wrong, of course, this is just what a more seasoned tripper than myself thinks. From my modest experience, though, it may be true. I have had 2c-i in doses up to 14 only, but 2c-e I had only one trial at around 22mg... and that totally left the 2c-i in the dust.

Generally, 2c-i is supposed to require slightly less mg for same intensity of effect than b, but a bit more than 2c-e.
 
An Autumn day of shining bright oranges, yellows, reds with falling leaves all around and the shimmering lake in front of you on 20mg.. breathtakingly VIBRANT
 
I like to masturbate multiple times on 2ce. The orgasms are always so much richer and more magical. Its always fun to play around with the, white goo before wiping things up. Its like wow, this is my sperm, millions of them all sticking to my finger. Really is mindblowing.
 
Its also really cool to use this thing called SAUCE, its a trip toy I bought at walmart. It slowly changes colors.. look into it. I highly recommend it for 2ce, and any other trips. Its even cool sober.
 
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