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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread

i agree. the first time, i just had no idea what to expect. i was told it was "similar to 2c-b but lasts longer". what a stupid statement that is. but i got through the night, and had a good time (new years). the second time, slightly upped dose and sublingual instead of insuffulated. that night was magic. i came out of that experience a changed person, and for the better.

i can't wait until my next venture.
 
liteage1 said:
i'm looking forward for other rc's to come my way, like 2c-p.
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Yup, I knew the first time I read about 2C-P that it sounded really good and special. Maybe not fun or easy, but challanging and insightful. I can't wait for the day for the Gods to bless with some. I'm glad it doesn't sound very fun, because it is twice as potent as 2C-E. And with all the morons who eat or snort unknown dosages of that, I think if they got some 2C-P they would run into trouble. Propyl psychedelics seem rough and I doubt 2C-P will become popular as it lasts so long and seems to be a difficult (but worthwhile) material. Just like 2C-E.

6mg a dose. That's a potent PEA.
 
VictorBorge said:
Well so far I have to say, every time I've done 2C-E has been an order of magnitude better than the time before.

But then again I've only done it twice. :)
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OK, I've now done it three times. And the scary thing is, what I said above still holds true. The second time was exponentially better than the first; the third time was dimensionally better than the second. If there is a fourth level to this, things could get ... interesting.

Holy shit 2c-e is a powerful tool. 8o
 
For what it is worth, I have done 2ce in the 30-35mg range about 6 times. I know this is significantly higher than most other people require, but I have about the same effects that most experience at 20-25mg, damn my tolerance... With that said, I haven't noticed an increased effect at these does each time I do them. However, lower doses seem to have slightly more effect now. I can't say for sure that this is result of reverse tolerance or I'm just more in tune with the substance now.
 
with 2c-e, have you this good feeling "i've done something really interesting" after your experience ? like when you've done a big travel...or toke shroom.
 
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Yes.

I find it odd that some people have such a strong tolerance that they would have to take 35mgs of 2C-E. I would never go past 20mgs. I had a solid +3 that moved to a +4 for just a precious moment on just 16mgs. 20mgs would tear my spirit apart and rebuild it.
 
I had gotten 250mg of 2c-e from one supplier a while back. My first trip with only 10mg got me to a incredible state, definitely +++ maybe touched the +4. 14mg from this batch I was able to close my eyes and it was like a very very vivid 'dream' of me flying around downtown Detroit, seeing street signs clearly and all. Pictures looked 3d when i looked at them, and then would animate, sort of "come to life", like a movie screen rather than a picture.

That 2c-e was dissolved in solution for measuring. I recently got a decent scale, and I have this other 2c-e from a different supplier that seems sort of "fluffy", meaning when i am filling up a gelcap, a measured amount of 10mg of this stuff, looks WAY bigger than 10mg of the very fine powder 2c-i I have. Like there's a lot of air in there or something..

I've taken 16mg of this stuff, and although it is nice I dont seem to be able to close my eyes and see the same dreamy vivid 'flying around' visuals. I don't know it works but just doesn't seem quite as potent. 16mg certainly doesn't blow me away, i'm able to dance around, talk to people, unless i smoke any pot - then well thats different! (pot always seriously changes most of my trips, not just in intensity but adds that "pot trip"). I will probably take around 20mg next time with this new stuff.

Yeah, I did once take just 2mg (from the first older 2c-e i got), and was suprised later to find how much it greatly intensified colors, had some tracers, color enhancement was the thing that stood out most though, oh and "clarity" of vision. 5mg is GREAT for some real good music enhancement =D .
 
How are people finding 2ce for side effects? - It generally seems very low in problems - I've taken it up to 24mg - I'm not sure I would go higher - but certainly suspect I would physically ok.

The only side effects I've noted are - slight nausea, stomach discomfort, some shoulder tension and anorexia - pretty much standard fair with any compound.

I certainly not sure about 2C-E for the therapists couch - it might well be too confusing for that and i think there are better candidates - not to say it can't be therapuetic but it seems much more in the direction of the shamanic or perhaps an aid to metaphyical speculation - it's perhaps rather non personal - my girlfriend described it was a 2CB/SalvinorinA hybrid - "like keeping reptiles - rewarding but you won't get cuddles"
 
lysergication said:
with 2c-e, have you this good feeling "i've done something really interesting" after your experience ? like when you've done a big travel...or toke shroom.
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You bet. It's a very interesting trip, as opposed to being pure fun or causing euphoria.

bip norris said:
"like keeping reptiles - rewarding but you won't get cuddles"
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^^^ That's very apt.

I find 2C-E to be remarkably "clean" as well, with hardly any stimulation or side effects. The only exception to this is the intestinal meltdown it gives me when taken on an empty stomach - -but this is manageable if I know to expect it and may not be very common for others.

Because the onset is so late, for me this is one of the easiest compounds to actually forget I took by the time I start tripping. For this reason, and because of the clarity and natural feel of the effects, 2C-E always feels like it is unlocking my body's own innate ability to trip. As if the substance itself is not causing the effects, but rather causing my body to cause the effects on itself. If that makes any sense.

gloggawogga said:
A wife in a good mood is very good for that. A wife in a bad mood is not. :\
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^ Very true. :)
 
As far as side effects go... I took 25 mgs, and a couple hours into it my heart rate was 144 and my blood pressure 90/175. I hesitate however to attribute these levels merely to the body load. By the time I took my blood pressure, I was already panicking and thought I was on the verge of death. This subjective terror undoubedly signifiantly affected my readings. In fact, on the monitor there was a little heart symbol that fluttered each time my heart beat: as I watched it beat I panicked more and more and the little heart went faster and faster.
 
I love 2ce for its lack of side effects. Other than the GI effects that VictorBorge has pointed out, it is a very smooth experience for me. I get very little accute nausea, just repeated trips to the bathroom. There is certainly some muscle tension in the upper back and neck area as well as the usual appetite suppression. Most of these fade by the 3 hour point and I actually get hungery around 5 hours after dosing(still at peak). I experience very little "crash" after the trip. Usually just a mild headache which advil fixes.
 
being on guard may force reality upon you...
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yesterday 15mg + some dust lickings. no CEV. Minimal open eye visual effects- slight shifting and breathing of object surfaces. Only notable visual effect was been able to see and navigate in a completely dark room ("night vision"- but not as intense as with 18" of good san pedro). music sounded very dry and tinny als.

maybe- as liteage1 alluded to -i was trying to counter 2-CE effects due to concern over reports of overwhelmng effects. (similar experience with 'cid years ago-skeptical because guy i got it from had given me bunk before- took 2 hits and nothing for 2.5 hours. made the decision to let my guard down and open up and and had 2nd most visual experience of my life. (the most was with 6 hits the next week form the same guy....those blotters must have been about 150mcg EACH !).

back to 2-CE...minimal visuals at 15mg- stong body load (muscular tension, tremor, insomnia, coordination problems)...this may have been well have been due to this week's increase in Wellbutrin.


20mg next week...along with a more open mind (and skip Wellbutrin that day). will be nice if as some others say, this is one compound that "grows on you".

maybe slightly resistant to 2-C's. 2-CI does not shine until 20mg.

hopefully as liteage1 said:
i notice that it also gets more colorful...
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Hmm Interesting thread.

This chemical really reminds me of a known (but untested... yes i know it's frigging stupid! and would NEVER recommend it) research chemical pill sold as Tripstacy around Australia (GGRRRRR!!!)

Anyway, it took about an hour to come on, but first effects were noticed about 30 minutes whetre I felt slight stimulation and a bit of a weird come up. Definately started feeling the phenethylmine feeling, but it became hard to talk, where as MDMA/2CB/Speed I am normally a conversationalist. and alot more sedating.

About a bit after one hour I really started tripping and the visuals were very weird. There wasn't a great amount but the visuals I had were not bad. Lots of surface border patterns, and rotatings. Things like sewer/man-holes had a rotating spinning pattern while the different slabs of cement on the foot path shifted up and down below me.

I felt nauseous coming up on it, and spewed when coming up, then many tiny pukes (mostly water/bit of vile) through-out the night, but it isn't exactly wonderful.. However I had been consuming alcohol (another dumb thing) and ate a Crapdonalds cheese burger on the come up...

This chemical (whatever it was) did seem kind of dirty, especially compared to something like 2C-B which I believe is a very clean experience. Also through out the trip I wasn't exactly enjoying it, but it didn't really turn bad or anytihng, just very complex and confusing at some times. It was also like I wanted to observe surroundings and definately my mates, and try to link them to my thoughts, or guess through body language what they were feeling or thinking. I thoguht it might have therapeutic possailities. Also intersting to note, when doing a staring contest with a friend on the same substance, I got a really weird and intense rush, and I thought I had gained something from his thoughts and aura...

Visuals came and went, but whenever I closed my eyes the visuals were complex. Often I was relating CEV's to thoughts, but trying to over-analyze them. I got some werid graphs and patterns of my thoguht process which I like to call a mind-o-gram. Also at times I got some very nice flowing graphs and spirals and triangles going to the music. I also find when eyes were open I would sort of become dissociated because of the constant tunnel vision. It felt good to just lie around and do nothing, but there was a stimulation when you needed or really wanted to do something, but I never felt over-stimulated. The chemical had mysteriousness, a bit like LSD, and the experience did remind me of LSD just a couple of times, especially the warping of a window about 6 hours into it. Standing right in front of it it waroped all directions and possible ways it could.. Very weird.. Even when trying to make it NOT move it wouldn't stop.

We were all pretty much spaced during the night, and the drug did allow me to go introspective, but didn't allow me to analyze things for that long, my brain was jumping from thought to thought. I had also smoked weed though.

The trip lasted about 6-8 hours, but I could still feel the effects from the drug 12 hours later, and still could not sleep. Smoking weed the next day brang back certain weirdness, especially the scatteredness, but it would of been sleep deprivation as well, and some slight visuals and colour enhancement. Oh yeah, the colour enhancement wasn't as intense as 2CB.. it was more pink and orangeish. Or maybe they were just the colours that stood out? But who knows the pills were that colour.. maybe purely psychosomatic? (they were pinkish "bermuda" trianges).


Anywya, I know I've put a pretty big post in a thread, and it probably is considered off-topic.. But after reading it seems like these pills are kind of like 2C-E more than anything else. But i am in no way saying they are 2C-E.. Could be anything.. interesting to note the simulartiies though..
 
Splatt said:
Smoking weed the next day brang back certain weirdness, especially the scatteredness, but it would of been sleep deprivation as well, and some slight visuals and colour enhancement.
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I noticed this after my last 2C-E trip too. There was an undercurrent of aftereffects the next day (18 hours later), definitely trip effects, that pot brought out. I'll just state again, 2C-E seems to hit me much harder each time I do it, and I'm beginning to wonder if this is entirely psychological or not, especially with others reporting the same. I look forward to hearing more reports from repeat users.
 
I had a question about 2C-E. Has it been noted whether or not there is a cross tolerance between different chemicals? I took 4-AcO-MiPT on Monday and I will be taking a 20mg dose of 2C-E on Saturday. Has anyone noticed a significant decrease in effects? I would hate to waste a 2C-E trip because of cross tolerance.

Should I wait another week before taking it?
 
I'm mostly talking out of my ass here, but I think there is some degree of cross-tolerance among almost all psychedelics. Frequent use inures you to some of the effect, even if it's all psychological.

There are cross tolerance threads or FAQs around heres somewheres (or on Erowid maybe).

However, IME, with 2C-E I have actually tripped *harder* when taking it relatively soon (a day or two) after iprocin, vs. when taking it after a drying out period. I am basing this on only two experiences, so take it with a grain of salt, but for me anyway, it's safe to say there is no *strong* cross-tolerance b/w iprocin (note that I haven't tried 4-AcO-MIPT yet) and 2C-E, and there may actually be some kind of potentiation going on.

There doesn't seem to be a strong/long-lasting x-tolerance with LSD either, although of course LSD tolerance fall-off in general is very fast.
 
That's what I was thinking too. It seems to me that 4-AcO-MiPT has a neglible tolerance as well. I took it two days in a row, at the same dose, and had no noticable drop in potency, maybe even an increase in said potency.

I am looking forward to doing 2C-E this weekend, as my limited experience with that chemical, showed a gem. I love visuals, and that compound is the most visual compound I've ever had. It is right on par with DMT and 5-MeO-DMT as far as visuals, and quite close to DXM, though with a different quality.
 
Of course then there's DMT, which you can do every hour on the hour without building up any tolerance whatsoever (according to Strassman)
 
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