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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread

Anjovis sez:

>He had seen all possible future outcomes in each >space-time contimuum points and he had to choose one >"branch" of space-time events in each moment

whoa, that's heavy man. I exoerienced almost the same thing on 2c-e the other day. It was like there were an infinite number of mes that were slightly ofset from one another in 4 dimensions. very difficult stuff to comprehend.


-Maitland
 
pretty wierd... i though 2C-E is psykedelic, but now i feel like im was taking LOTS of amphetamine
(i toke 18mg 2C-E, two hours ago)

sorry for my bad english.
 
I find 2C-E a little rough in the beginging, then it smooths out nicely. I'd have smoked a bowl of cannabis by now, but I am not recommending you do this. I recommend you stay drug free. Drugs are bad. And drink milk.
 
I am not sure now what to say about 2c-e, a day after the first trial with ~15mg. I definitely felt it and it was moderately strong at this level. Very noticable time effects, but I didn't see any visuals or other sensory distortions. My setting was not very good, as we didn't have any place to sit down in peace and listen to music. I felt that if I could spend home the whole time listening to music and simply thinking & meditating, this would be a lot more powerful experience. I will try it again with ~20mg dose and see what that brings. With this amount, it was not much fun, but definitely not boring either. We also smoked some cannabis, which seemed to make the effects much stronger. I really don't know what to say, it was quite different from all other psychedelics I have tried... and it is not for partying, we had planned to go to some jungle parties, but after the effects came obvious, we decided not to go. Interesting is that one friend of mine didn't feel pretty much anything, even with the weed, and other friend was definitely only slightly "high", both with the same dosage.
.. I am not going to write any more detailed trip report than this.
 
In response to anjoves, I think you have to get in tune with 2c-e before you really start getting the good stuff out of it. I find it to be an intuitive drug.

Be prepared to have a profound experiences if you go over 20 mg or so. This is one of the most complex and interesting psychedelics I have ever tried.


-Maitland
 
funkee said:
at the moment I'm not looking for a hard psychedelic, more on the order of 2C-I.
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Don't be so quick to write off 2C-I as "not a hard-psychedelic." Although I find the nature of 2C-I to be warm and friendly, my best friend (who is a veteran of many powerful 5-MeO-DMT trips, and is not a novice with psychedelics) is strongly affected by 2C-I. I've given it to him twice, at 8 mg and 12 mg. Both were powerful, fun, scary, emotional, blissful, and difficult trips for him. There were times he was enjoying himself, but there were times where he was experiencing much difficulty with it.

What I'm trying to get at is...psychedelics are unpredictable drugs. Don't assume any psychedelic is "light" or "easier to take than another" because you simply don't know until you try it. They affect people differently.

If you choose to experiment with 2C-I (or any drug), start low, only take known dosages, and be mindful of the setting you take it in. Don't go into anything thinking "this will be light" because you may get more than you bargened for.

Based on my friend's reaction to 2C-I, as well as that of others I know, I'd take no more than 12 or 14 mg your first time. Seeing as my friend was blown away with just 12 mg, you may be even wiser to take less your first time. You can always take more on another occasion once you know how you react to 2C-I.

But we are way off topic here, as this is a 2C-E thread!
 
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2c-e.. special, fuck yes!

Like, Duuuuude, i'm all like, WIGGIN' out 'n shit maaan. Kids, 2c-e and all the rest are bad. DON'T DO DRUGS. Look at me, i'm like, WIGGIN' out duuude. Yeah, 2ce sucks for those looking for it. So don't buy it. Don't tell your buddies. Stick with 2c-i if you must. LOL, (man i hope 2c-e doesn't 'catch on' and spread, making that illegal eventually).

I just got done tripping earlier, and ended up writing a trip report as it happened (well, the main parts). Four pages long I think, i'm glad i tried to write it down while it was happening though! Only 10mg! I'm impressed...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112739

Its right up there by LSD, psilocybin/psilocin, ...2C-E next as number 3, hmm...4-OH-DIPT next i think..2C-B somewhere around here..

I never had so much, control, over myself, and knew it. Visuals were there, and since i was concentrating on them, they got deeper...deeper..then, whoa, 3d...faster..boom, meeting up with my subconscious or merging or something, it was like, faaaaar out! Very useful stuff.

Right before the...visuals started going deep, real fast, I was almost getting flat out hallucinations, like the 'layer' between what was another 'page' of vision in my head somewhere, started seeping through, first making itself available to see by somehow making patterns out of what was already in my vision, and when i noticed it, perception would just change to what i was looking at, yes made up of my computer monitor, cups, whatever, but i 'perceived' it as ..some sort of animal looking thing, animated and all.
 
I am planning on using 2C-E very soon. I have been working my way through a list of research chemical to try, and 2C-E is next. I have been limiting myself to two experiences per chemical for right now. I had originally planned 12mgs to be a starting dose for my first 2C-E trip. Is this going to be enough to reach a significant psychedelic effect? I planned my second dose to be 16mgs. I'm sure that will be plenty. What is the body load like compared to 2C-i at my listed doses? Also, is it water soluble like 2C-i is?
 
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Is it possible to vaporize 2CE ?
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for two different people, 6mg vaporized produced a full-blown experience; mild activity showed up at 2mg. (to compare, 16mg orally was extremely intense for both.)

upsides: shorter duration, easier to titrate proper dosage, reduced/shorter body load
downside: at full doses, the near-instantaneous come-up is a bit jarring, imo. it's not actively unpleasant, but there's something to be said for easing into things more gradually.

also, the safety of it is (obviously) not well-established, so be cautious and start low...
 
Piper methysticum said:
I had originally planned 12mgs to be a starting dose for my first 2C-E trip. Is this going to be enough to reach a significant psychedelic effect? I planned my second dose to be 16mgs. What is the body load like compared to 2C-i at my listed doses? Also, is it water soluble like 2C-i is?
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One cannot predict how you will react to 2C-E, or if 12 mg is going to be enough. 2C-E, like many psychedelics in the 2C series, affects various people differently. In PIHKAL, Shulgin said some people had rich +3 experiences with just 10 mg of 2C-E. Others may need more. I'd advise you to work your way up slowly (as it seems you are.) 12 mg may be more than enough for you, or it may not. How is someone supposed to give you anything more than a guess?

On my first try with 2C-E, I tripped my ASS OFF. I took 16 mg and it may have been a bit much for a first go. 12 mg probably would have been a better choice for an introduction to 2C-E but I don't regret taking 16 mg. I'm just glad I was familiar with extreme psychedelic states, or it may have been a difficult trip.

As far as the body-load, I find 2C-E much easier on the body than 2C-I. 2C-E produces a lot of energy in the begining, but it smooths out by the second hour. 2C-I seems to produce lots of stimulation during much of the trip. And 2C-E is water soluble.
 
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Yeah, you are right. I just like looking for as much information as possible. Sometimes I ask some dumb questions. I have read alot of your posts and replies, and many psychedelics seem to effect me the same way at the same doses as yours. Three of my friends tried it the other night. One at 10mgs, another at 12mgs, and the last at 15mgs. The one at 12mgs was having a stronger experience than the one at 15mgs, though all three of them were tripping hard. Anyway, I am aware that chemicals effect everyone differently. I am hoping 2C-E was a good "next step" to get deep into a Phenethylamine experience, and I am glad to hear that 2C-E may be a little lighter on the body. I don't mind it as much with 2C-i, but with an intense psychedelic like 2C-E, it could be very frustrating. After I try 12mgs, my next step will be 16. Thanks for the reply.
 
Yesterday out of curiosity I took just 2mg of 2c-e (orally) while I was waiting for a dvd to be finished 'burning' to take over to a friends house.

I just put it in some kool-aid and drank it and forgot about it. A couple hours later, we were watching a movie and it got my attention, felt a little body buzz, and then noticed my pupils were bigger, and colors were..quite vivid! No other 'visuals' except very nice color enhancement and a sharpness/clarity to everything. Oh, for a while, maybe an hour or two, I did see faint tracers. It was like a low dose of LSD, I was suprised just 2mg did this! The color enhancement seemed just as colorful as the higher doses of 2c-e i've taken. We took a short walk and it was quite nice for just some visual enhancement without really 'tripping'. I later went grocery shopping, nice colors hehe..

I've found that set/setting and being active/passive has a lot to do with how strong the trip is with this stuff. I wrote a trip report for 10mg 2c-e and i was at a strong +++ touching ++++. I was active as in, looking for changes in my vision, changes in thinking, etc. I was writing the trip report, describing the kind of patters I was seeing, which made what I was seeing more intense, etc.

A friend and I recently tried 16mg, but we spent a lot of the time watching this winamp 5 visual thing, much more 'passive', the computer was making some cool visuals already, and going to the music good, and we both later on walked around and the visuals weren't that impressive, I didnt see pictures pop out in 3d and come to life like they did on 13.5mg (another 'active' trip, i was not alone but i was the only one tripping, a definite +++) which I was suprised at (my friend seemed to be on the same level).

We were both saying "shit, we gotta take 18 or 20mg next time". I think 18mg would be great, but, instead of a computer generated visual to look at, just some plain text on the computer screen while its on, and maybe taking a walk, sitting outside, sitting inside talking, no TV or movie thats for sure - would be much better.

"A tiny bit disappointed with the effects" at 16mg one time, then, really suprised how good just 2mg was for sensory enhancement :) Wierd %)
 
2c-e trip report

I dreamt last night:

My girlfriend S and I, as well as several of my close friends have used 2c-e on numerous occassions. My past psychedelic drug experiences include MDMA, MDA, 2c-e, 5meo-amt, alot of very intense psilocin/cybin experiences, DXM. Never acid unfortunately....one day. I study biochem at the local university, fun stuff. My girlfriend has tasted all of these compounds except 5meo-amt, but she has done acid 100+ times. She is standard for dose comparison when tripping to tell me "how close is this to LSD, etc."
Anyway,
2c-e has proved to be a diverse and rewarding compound.
A close group of friends including S have only related positive experiences with doses up to 30mg. There were 2 in around 10 total instances in the 20-30mg range where my set and setting became overwhelming enough for me to take xanax to calm things down a bit. The intensity of 2c-e is extreme. This drug has a very interesting dose-response curve in that in low doses it creates a sense of euphoria coupled with what I would call a 'phenethylamine or tripping in general' type stimulation that is not unpleasant. Not quite the euphoria of 20mg dextroamphetamine, but that low-dose good clean tripping euphoria sensation, whatever that means.
Both S and I are coming down from a 2c-e experience right now actually. It was a low dose 8mg. Quite pleasant overall, great conversation. This substance has a neutral character to it to some extent. Its like sometimes I feel completely introverted while at others a feel a push to be social, talk. I believe that this neutrality belies the true psychotheraputic value of 2c-e, and that this is why some people say: I dont think I like it cause its not that much fun. 2c-e brings to the surface of the user that which is already on the users mind. It has this introspective push to examine oneself critically, as any good died-in-the-wool psychedelic should to some extent, but then allows the user to let go into 2c-e's beautiful visual and mental trip. The visuals ARE INCREDIBLE. I can actually say that I went totally psychotic on mushrooms once; I was convinced that I would permantantly be insane forcing S, also tripping, to bring me to the hospital for thorazine. Fortunately S talked me down before we got to the hospital. I worked at the hospital, so that really would have been bad. Anyway, 2c-e 's visuals are better than even that most intense mushy experience.
I must stress that the neutrality of this compuond is its beneficial power: I never feel manic or depressed; always introspectively content at the higher20+mg doses. Lower doses that had less typical phen physical side effects were actually great mood energizers, or let's brighten up the day with 5-8 mg 2c-e, that would really make things interesting!
More to come! I look forword to many a worthy and fun discussion with you guys on bluelight.
Peace out mang
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was thinking the same thing!
After gauging the (relative) safety of low doses i was thinking 12mg 2C-I and 12mg 2C-E,who's knows though maybe 2mg and 2mg will be too uncomfortable.

I also need to get to know 2c-E ALOT better for trying this.
My life isn't in a position right now for any psychedelics:( so it'll be a while before i know anyway:(
 
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Piper, how did your 12mg 2C-E compare in intensity to your 2C-I experiments?

Also, I'm reading that 2C-E seems to lack euphoria, but some of you are also saying that it lacks the euphoria that 2C-I has. I've found 2C-I to be somewhat "neutral".
 
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