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The Official NCAA Football 2005 thread

smotpoker...if you consider Arizona State, Oregon, and Notre Dame as equals to Oklahoma State...you're an idiot...not that you haven't proven that earlier in this thread. :D

My reasoning is that Texas has had a nice, comfy schedule in conference and once they played a road game against sub-par competition, they struggled and showed the flaws that have always been there, but ignored because they blow out opponents. Doesn't that sound familiar to another big 12 team we've seen in recent years? Yes, USC has had a game or two like that, most notably the Stanford game last year, but you can't really compare the two since the Trojans have back-to-back championships while Texas is known as the team that couldn't beat Oklahoma the past two seasons...the same Oklahoma team pounded by 'SC last year. Now we're to believe Texas, the team that is now the default best of the Big 12, is equal to USC? Please.

Stop comparing Vince Young to Matt Leinart. They are two different styles altogether. Matt can't run like Vince, but Vince can't run a passing game like Matt does. The difference is...Matt has two championships and a Heisman Trophy, as well as a better all-around offense around him, while Vince is all the Longhorns have to make their offense work, more or less. They have nice players to compliment him, but they aren't at the level of talent USC has on the offensive side. I love the fact the Longhorns O-line is touted as one of the best ever...just like Oklahoma's line was last year.

and just to be clear, my heisman choice, from the start, is Reggie Bush...not Leinart. Frankly, I felt Bush should've won last year...yet he was 5th out of 5 in the final vote.
 
hey atlas-

Why not Auburn? Why not LSU? I'm just curious. We all saw how bad they looked against Tennessee. I don't see any reason to believe they can easily handle both of those teams.

I think LSU will beat them, personally...but I don't think they survive both of those games with victories.

If they do somehow, then as you said, the Bulldogs can take them out in the Georgia Dome. If somehow Alabama survives that too, then they truly are an amazing team and would probably face a Texas or VT if the top 3 stay undefeated.
 
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jefe, three slipups is more than one. do the math.

and i forgot about asu, i was talking about arizona, so i guess that makes 4 slip ups-compared to one
go ahead and call me an idiot, you jackass. no sweat off my sack. i think that so-cal sun has burnt away too many of your braincells, jackass. rest assured though, i'll have the last laugh when the season is over. and you will be the one called and idiot.

young will win the heisman, young is better than leinhart, he can throw just as good as him, he's faster, multi-talented, and is gonna lead UT to a victory in the Rose Bowl. oh yeah marcus vick is better than leinhart also, jackass
i am so sick of people who say: they are two different styles, you can't compare them! Palease! Vince is an awesome passer, he can match up with leinhart against anyone. yes, leinhart did win the heisman, he's got talent on every side on him. it's always easier to put up good numbers when you've got great receivers, and reggie bush.i would bet that if you put young on usc's team, his #'s would be better than leinhart's.

and all good things come to an end. usc proved this year that when they play a team of worth they struggle, big time.
did you watch the OK ST-UT game? one of the touchdowns OK ST was pure luck (the tipped catch). take away that score and UT would've only been down by 10 or so.

damn i feel better now. i think that's the most i've cussed in a single post!
 
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smotpoker...your biased point of view against the Pac-10 and relatively simple way of discussing games really entertain me in that "geez are college football fans that dumb?" kind of way. If your only defense to that is calling me a jackass...well then I'm sorry for you man. Really I am.

Last laugh? That's all you have left after your ridiculous "predictions" and laughable assessments of the current season. I don't know how much of a last laugh that would be anyway. My guess is the only person calling me an idiot in this thread would be you, to which my reply would be "look in a mirror bub."

Vince is an awesome passer? The man has issues when it comes to short-to-intermediate passing. He has a nice long ball, but really his strength is running mobility and his passing game feeds off of it. He is prone to make mistakes, as the last two games have showed against one average defense and one sub-par defense. I agree that he'll win the Heisman if he keeps up his current pace...if only because USC has so many weapons it's hard to vote for just one.

Your hypotheticals are useless man. Useless. If Vince Young played for USC, if that tipped catch didn't count...blah blah blah. It's all just a waste of space and no one cares to hear about it...especially from someone who earlier posted how he should stay away from this thread after all his stupid predictions.

Again, if you compare Oklahoma State to Oregon, Arizona State, or Notre Dame...you're an idiot. You're even dumber for trying to lump in Arizona since that game is no parallel to the other three.
 
Jefe said:
and just to be clear, my heisman choice, from the start, is Reggie Bush...not Leinart. Frankly, I felt Bush should've won last year...yet he was 5th out of 5 in the final vote.
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Couldn't agree more.

On a cautionary note, it is unwise to engage Jeff in debates about sports unless you come to the table prepared. The only people that think Texas has a legit shot at besting USC are people from Texas. Arguably, this Trojan team is the weakest of the last few seasons but still unquestionably the best in college football. I think their biggest problem right now is over-confidence and the weight of so much national expectation.
 
I agree re: reggie bush. He deserves it, and the only person stopping him is Matt.

LD: why not Auburn? because it's a rebuilding year for them. I guess I can't comment further on their strength until I see them play a serious team (UGA), but, so far, I don't see them posing the level of threat Bama can't easily overcome. LSU is different; they're dangerous. I do expect Bama to handle the handily, but its not out of the question, for me, for LSU to out think them on both sides of that ball. Alabama certinly has the advantage when it comes to raw stats put up by players, though.

If Bama goes undefeated, and Georgia playes them in the championship, either one will face damn serious competition in the bowls. Texas and VT are both stronger, more consistent, tighter teams (well, texas isn't, but vince young is). It will be an uphill battle for either. If the Dawgs faulter at Auburn, which is a possibility with a weak Shockley, and Florida plays as tight as they did against Georgia, they'll get routed against Bama, no question. I don't know what Urban put in their water, but I'm pretty sure it only works once. Leak wont be protected, which appears to be the decider in florida wins, against Bama.

Anyway, its been a great season so far, and I really don't have any qualms with the BCS rankings so far (as a whole). USC will beat the bruins and Cal (unless UCLA pulls off some magic, and I mean, like, David Blane magic). They'll play Texas and win (I wish VT's impending win over Miami will count for more).

They'd probably still soundly beat VT, but it'd be a much better game, no?
 
I def gotta go with reggie bush for the heisman, who know who will fuckin win tho. Anyways, this guy is doing things at his postition I dont think ive seen in college football in a loooong ass time. hes unstoppable, plain and simple.
 
WacoWas AnAccident said:
Couldn't agree more.

On a cautionary note, it is unwise to engage Jeff in debates about sports unless you come to the table prepared. The only people that think Texas has a legit shot at besting USC are people from Texas. Arguably, this Trojan team is the weakest of the last few seasons but still unquestionably the best in college football. I think their biggest problem right now is over-confidence and the weight of so much national expectation.
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I think Texas has a shot of beating USC, better defence, stronger schedule(usc has only played 2 teams with a record over .500, texas has played 5). Texas runs well and passes decently, and USC has had problems stopping the pass. Should be an interesting game.
 
Jefe said:
smotpoker...your biased point of view against the Pac-10 and relatively simple way of discussing games really entertain me in that "geez are college football fans that dumb?" kind of way. If your only defense to that is calling me a jackass...well then I'm sorry for you man. Really I am.

Last laugh? That's all you have left after your ridiculous "predictions" and laughable assessments of the current season. I don't know how much of a last laugh that would be anyway. My guess is the only person calling me an idiot in this thread would be you, to which my reply would be "look in a mirror bub."

Vince is an awesome passer? The man has issues when it comes to short-to-intermediate passing. He has a nice long ball, but really his strength is running mobility and his passing game feeds off of it. He is prone to make mistakes, as the last two games have showed against one average defense and one sub-par defense. I agree that he'll win the Heisman if he keeps up his current pace...if only because USC has so many weapons it's hard to vote for just one.

Your hypotheticals are useless man. Useless. If Vince Young played for USC, if that tipped catch didn't count...blah blah blah. It's all just a waste of space and no one cares to hear about it...especially from someone who earlier posted how he should stay away from this thread after all his stupid predictions.

Again, if you compare Oklahoma State to Oregon, Arizona State, or Notre Dame...you're an idiot. You're even dumber for trying to lump in Arizona since that game is no parallel to the other three.
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vince young against ok state - 15-30 239yds, 2tds, 1int(i believe it was a
deflection) 21 rush, 267 yds, 4tds

and texas tech - 12-22 239 2tds 2int
texas tech overall defense rank - 24th
uscs overall defense rank - 35th

so if texas tech is average, I guess that makes usc below average??

I do agree with your bush assesment, it's hard to win a heisman while splitting time. Buy by your own admission, doesn't that make Young even that much stronger of a canidate since he isn't surrounded by the weapons that usc has???
 
bGivens...

are you seriously trying to compare the Texas Tech defense with the Trojan defense and say it's better? You have to be kidding me. What offenses has Texas Tech faced? USC's easily faced tougher offensive competition than Tech. If you don't think so, just look at the schedule. Using defensive rankings without noting the opponents each team has faced is not a strong argument.

Vince Young, as I said earlier, will win the Heisman if he continues his current pace. I've also already agreed with the statement you made about Vince's Heisman case as the lone superstar name for the Texas offense prior to you even saying it. However, he isn't the best player in college football, in my opinion. That's Reggie Bush...who's just in a class all by himself. Vince is special, no doubt, but if we're talking about the best in college football right now and how that translates to the next level, I have far more confidence in Reggie Bush being an impact player at his position than Vince.

And as for the stats you show, what I see is a 50% completion percentage against at best average defensive competition the past two games. Come bowl time, a USC or VT defense will exploit his weakness in the passing game. There are ways to contain him and an upper-echelon defense can do just that. Ohio State held him down just enough to have a great opportunity to win that game, but they failed on the offensive side. A team like USC won't struggle to get into the end zone like OSU did. VT? A different story going up against Texas, but with Marcus Vick, they won't be surprised with what Vince brings to the table since they see similar things in practice.

atlas-

I just think at Auburn is a tough game for Alabama. Hell, any decent competition will be. They are obviously not the same team without Prothro, and while they still remain undefeated, I just don't see them surviving the remaining schedule.
 
im not done reading through this catfight yet but i find it amusing that intelligent sports fans still debate the bcs standings before the regular season has played out.

some interesting opinions being laid out there on the heisman race. honestly i dont know how you can have seen any of USC's games and *not* agree that bush is the most talented player in the game. even mentioning leinart ahead of bush leads me to belive that you havent really watched the trojans play.
im not a USC fan. im not a socal. what i am is a fan of college football, and the last tailback i enjoyed watching this much left OSU after 1 season :

jefe~i havent seen VT play so i dont know how they stack up against SC but im pretty sure SC can make a game vs just about anyone interesting;)

psa: responding to spotmoker w/ anything other than vaguely contemptious sarcasm gives him way more respect than he deserves:)
 
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Jefe said:
bGivens...

are you seriously trying to compare the Texas Tech defense with the Trojan defense and say it's better? You have to be kidding me. What offenses has Texas Tech faced? USC's easily faced tougher offensive competition than Tech. If you don't think so, just look at the schedule. Using defensive rankings without noting the opponents each team has faced is not a strong argument.

Vince Young, as I said earlier, will win the Heisman if he continues his current pace. I've also already agreed with the statement you made about Vince's Heisman case as the lone superstar name for the Texas offense prior to you even saying it. However, he isn't the best player in college football, in my opinion. That's Reggie Bush...who's just in a class all by himself. Vince is special, no doubt, but if we're talking about the best in college football right now and how that translates to the next level, I have far more confidence in Reggie Bush being an impact player at his position than Vince.

And as for the stats you show, what I see is a 50% completion percentage against at best average defensive competition the past two games. Come bowl time, a USC or VT defense will exploit his weakness in the passing game. There are ways to contain him and an upper-echelon defense can do just that. Ohio State held him down just enough to have a great opportunity to win that game, but they failed on the offensive side. A team like USC won't struggle to get into the end zone like OSU did. VT? A different story going up against Texas, but with Marcus Vick, they won't be surprised with what Vince brings to the table since they see similar things in practice.
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Of course I'm not trying to say USC's defense is worse than Techs, I was just pointing out that Tech isn't all that bad. USC's pass defense in 80th!! in the country. I'm not sure how they plan on "exploiting" Vince Young. As for VT,would you care to amend your statement on them;). The national championship game will be Texas vs. USC(as we already knew) and I'm not sure Texas can stop USC, they can slow them down, but not stop. As we said earlier, it's not like you can isolate one part of the USC offense and shut it down, they will just do something else. Should be interesting, I do think Texas can put up ~30 points on them though.
 
bGIveNs33 said:
Of course I'm not trying to say USC's defense is worse than Techs, I was just pointing out that Tech isn't all that bad. USC's pass defense in 80th!! in the country. I'm not sure how they plan on "exploiting" Vince Young. As for VT,would you care to amend your statement on them;). The national championship game will be Texas vs. USC(as we already knew) and I'm not sure Texas can stop USC, they can slow them down, but not stop. As we said earlier, it's not like you can isolate one part of the USC offense and shut it down, they will just do something else. Should be interesting, I do think Texas can put up ~30 points on them though.
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Texas certainly could put up a lot of points against the Trojans, but I'm betting Pete Carroll's gameplan and 4+ weeks to prepare would be sufficient in containing Vince Young's overall effect on the game. His schemes aim to force the QB to pass, and Young is prone to making mistakes in that regard. While his mobility may be a problem for the Trojans, it can also be effectively contained with the right scheme, and who better to stop it than an NFL-proven defensive mind?

what do I need to amend? Didn't you see the "pending they go undefeated" part? ;) In any case...from the start I've actually preferred USC to play Texas at the Rose Bowl for the title game. I like the matchups for 'SC in a game against them. Plus I can't stand Virginia Tech. :D

While Texas has an easy road up to the A&M game, 'SC still faces off against the three toughest CA schools not called the Trojans. All three opponents will look at their game against 'SC as the game of the season, and all three are game competition, while I believe only A&M is the last remote chance that can actually give the Longhorns a test.

Goddamn Bruins...that could be the turning point for Mike Stoops' program at UofA. He's got some solid young talent building up and with what was their largest margin of victory against a top 10 opponent, his young bucks will be pumped up to build on that success. Tuitama looked like the big-star recruit he was touted to be, but the real glaring issue of the game was the fact UCLA could not stop a sub-par rushing attack with their pathetic rushing defense. They actually made the Wildcats look like a top 10 rushing team. It was unbearable to watch. While my dream rivalry game is now lost, I'm glad the Bruins made the run they did. To be honest though, I would not be surprised if they end the year with a 4-game losing streak. All that is left is hoping to go to the Holiday Bowl and a shocking upset of the crosstown rivals.
 
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wtf dawg? Your team gets stuffed, and suddenly, the people who beat the shit out of them are turning a corner? Vandy nearly beat florida, (and are playing a considerably harder scheduel, and are winning more games than Arizona), and I'm not about to sing their praises. Its considerably more likely that UCLA was overvalued in the polls, and thier true colors are showing right now.

I think we've identified your blindspot ;)

Also, omg, VT lost =D
 
Atlas...I can't commend a team for beating my favorite team? What did I write that was so off the mark by your standards? Was blowing out a top 10 team not a turning point for a program that was in dire straits for a big win, let alone a big win at home against a pac-10 team?

Maybe east coast folks don't want to hear about up-and-coming Arizona...but the truth is Mike Stoops is building a program that has great potential for top-tier status in the Pac-10 in a year or two. It's fine if you want to pass off what I'm saying as homerism or whatever...but if you follow recruiting you'd know Stoops has built two strong classes during his short tenure and when those guys mature, they will be a very good team. Ever since he joined the league last year, you could see the difference in how Arizona plays the game. The results might not speak volumes, but the intensity on the field and their belief in the system showed through the losing record. If you've seen Arizona play, they always make games tough for their opponents...typically losing in close battles. Tuitama is going to be a big-time player on the collegiate level.

Remember, Arizona has risen to the top 5 less than 7 years ago...something Vanderbilt has probably never done. In fact, don't compare Vanderbilt, who had an actual good season this year by ALMOST making it to a bowl game, to Arizona, who has been a top 25 team in years past and beaten a No.1 team before. In fact, when has Vanderbilt beat anyone in the top 10, let alone top 5? Make no mistake...the Wildcats have been in a funk since their top 5 ranking, but Stoops is changing the culture in Tucson and this weekend's win will only help.
 
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atlas said:
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. Its considerably more likely that UCLA was overvalued in the polls, and thier true colors are showing right now.

I think we've identified your blindspot ;)

Also, omg, VT lost =D
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i think being an undefeated team in a major conference is what earned UCLA that ranking. i dont think anyone saw that tank job coming though. certainly makes the rivalry game less sexy but imo makes the bruins that much more dangerous to usc
 
wow a great weekend of college football and this place is a ghost town. What a fun saturday night it was to be at the Rose Bowl! ;) If there's someone right now who deserves an invite to New York as a Heisman finalist but isn't on anyone's radar right now it's Drew Olson. The guy's had a record-breaking year at UCLA with 30 tds and only 3 ints and after his performance against ASU, he is a worthy choice to be a finalist for college football's most prestigious individual award.
 
Jefe said:
wow a great weekend of college football and this place is a ghost town. What a fun saturday night it was to be at the Rose Bowl! ;) If there's someone right now who deserves an invite to New York as a Heisman finalist but isn't on anyone's radar right now it's Drew Olson. The guy's had a record-breaking year at UCLA with 30 tds and only 3 ints and after his performance against ASU, he is a worthy choice to be a finalist for college football's most prestigious individual award.
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Now you're just talking nonsense. ;)
 
WacoWas AnAccident said:
Now you're just talking nonsense. ;)
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haha...well it all depends on his performance against 'SC...but if he plays well, he certainly has the stats and performances to make him a finalist.
 
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