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^ That is my understanding of it. There are some sources that will claim codeine-6-glucuronide is the metabolite of codeine primarily responsible for its analgesic effects and not morphine though.

I am pretty sure that a small amount of dihydrocodeine and/or hydrocodone is metabolised into hydromorphone but it is a pretty insignificant amount that is not thought to really contribute to their analgesic or euphoric effects.
 
chugs said:
so where the fuck has everyone been. did we all cark it or something? So about a month ago i had to do a piss test. I hadn't used anything for over 50+ hours and yet it came out positive to opiates. This from very average Sydney gear, about 300mg.

They had the gall to tell me that the brightness of the result from the reagant indicated that there was still large amounts in my blood....wtf?

anyway what the hell are syd dealers cutting their shit with that it lasts that long? Oxy?
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I'm still alive and well. On too much bupe to bother using, picking up 2 days/week from the pharmacy now! No more of this 7 days a week nonsense. I had 250mg of average gear the other week and it barely touched the sides. So I'm gonna take a couple days off of the bupe in future before I throw anymore money down the toilet. You think I would have learned that, oh 10 years ago? :P

There's been some better than average stuff getting around on the Coast but it's inconsistent in availability.

PS. Doubt they'd be cutting their gear with oxycodone, considering the OC's are no more. :(

Ash. <3
 
Captain Brewster said:
Nope, couldent find anything on codeine converting to hydromorphone.
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well i read it randomly somewhere and it said that it was only 1-2% conversion. It used to be on the wiki page but its been edited away. Perhaps its contentious?

This paper talks about it in much greater detail including illustrating the possible metabolite path way (figure 1) - http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/1/1.full.pdf

Ashley said:
I'm still alive and well. On too much bupe to bother using, picking up 2 days/week from the pharmacy now! No more of this 7 days a week nonsense. I had 250mg of average gear the other week and it barely touched the sides. So I'm gonna take a couple days off of the bupe in future before I throw anymore money down the toilet. You think I would have learned that, oh 10 years ago? :P

There's been some better than average stuff getting around on the Coast but it's inconsistent in availability.
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its easy to give in to the urges before realising its a waste. how much bupe are you on? You'd need to wait a good 24 hours (if not 2-3 days) to get the full on affects of any harry. right?

Ashley said:
PS. Doubt they'd be cutting their gear with oxycodone, considering the OC's are no more. :(
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well it wasn't methadone and if it wasn't oxy then it must of been fent right?

Halif said:
I'd love to get a source on that! I find it amazing how opium, the source of all things opiate, can be such a complex mix of alkaloids that there still doesn't seem to be a clear explanation of what it is exactly that makes up the pure opium experience. It's unrivalled, IMHO, as a full spectrum experience of calm, clarity, mysticism and deep peace. Sounds all hippie dippy, but I swear that when my estranged brother Kalif spent a few years growing the plants and just tending them and nurturing them for months, the raw latex that came out of a ripe pod in spring was entirely unlike anything else - and it by volume the potency was obscene. Scored, collected, and dehydrated it holds up very well but there's something bordering on the spiritual in the fresh sap taken within minutes of scoring/lancing/slicing. !
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I really want to grow poppies, but my parents are avid green thumb and the jig would be up in a second. The moment they pop over for a cup of tea, bam....they'd see it.

its a shame because a proper hydroponics setup growing about 50 flowers in various stages/cycle will produce enough latex to keep a addict in a happy state. You'd save tens (probably) hundreds of thousands compared to buying it on the open market. That said converting it to heroin would be the next step and I think if you were going to that trouble already, with the hydro setup, that the conversion process wouldn't be that much of a step up in complexity. I think you'd need to do this. The health issues from smoking opium are terrible.

I think though I'm parking my opiate use for a long time. I'm waiting for a particular drug to enter the market, ibudilast. This Dr from Adeliade discovered that Glia activated pain is the cause of withdrawals. This is heightened in users who are primed due to damage/stress experinced in the pre/post natal stages of their life. Not only are they more suspectable to opiate addiction but their response to withdrawals is heightened, specifically due to Glial activation which participates in the mediation of pain including neuropathic pain, due to release of neuroexcitatory, proinflammatory products.

See all this rubbish we've read about opiate addiction being a weakness of character, that your lazy, inconsiderate and useless, all the drug addiction doctors claiming that withdrawals are caused by lack of endorphin's in your system (replaced by your drug use) is utterly wrong.

I think combing this with what Dr Gabor Maté has found you get a pretty clear view that Australian health departments, particularly NSW Health and drug addiction centres across the planet are getting it wrong. Really wrong. Worse these doctors are simply not being firm enough with the politicans when it comes to Opiate replacement programs.

Anyway i deviate...yes Opium is a beautiful plant that everyone should be partaking in a safe and moderate fashion.
 
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^ AFAIK codeine can yield oxymorphone, noroxymorphone and dihydromorphine, amongst others but not sure about hydromorphone.

An indoor hydroponic poppy crop would be a nightmare, they absolutely hate wet feet not to mention the area required would be huge. 3 square metres barely yields enough for a few months of occasional tea usage, let alone the wastage if you were to try and produce heroin.
 
^ Cannabis also likes dry feet, yet it does extremely well in hydroponics systems. This is because the issue with wet feet in soil is there is no oxygen getting to the roots, in hydroponic systems the water is pumped full of oxygen to keep it from going stagnant, which conveniently gives plenty of oxygen for the plants roots to breathe.

Also, not all hydroponics systems have the roots suspended in water for the whole grow like DWC does, there are flood and drain systems that give plants a good wet and dry cycle. Technically one could even argue that hand watering to waste in coco and perlite is hydroponic growing and apart from adjusting Ph and adding nutrients more often there isn't really a huge difference between that and growing in soil.

I am certain that there would be issues with growing poppies indoors for the simple reason that we would of heard about it going on to some extent if it were truly viable, but my guess is this has more to do with space and height issues, length of growing season making the electricity costs unfeasible etc. and not due to the fact that poppies could not technically perform well in a hydroponic medium.

I would be pretty interested in any potency difference, if any, between hydro opium and outdoor opium. Assuming one had foreknowledge of conditions that made opiate alkaloid production optimum, one would assume that most years the hydro would beat outdoor out on potency. It would be quite an interesting experiment to see if one could perform LST on a relatively small poppy garden to see if they could utilise their space more efficiently for a higher yield as many cannabis growers do.
 
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Cannabis and P Soms are 2 very different plants, Weed as everyone knows is incredibly hardy whereas opium poppy has the most delicate roots of any plant I've encountered. it is also very susceptible to mildew which is a serious issue with over watering this species and would also require keeping humidity levels low in the grow room.
Having a rather extensive experience raising both plants, I'm not saying it can't be done but I don't think it's a good candidate for hydro or indoor cultivation.
Considering financial outlay and time invested a sq foot of indoor space will yield an Oz of weed whereas it will yield about one decent cup of tea.

I know a few universities have grown poppies indoors for certain genomic work though
 
Who has read "Candy" and got to the chapter about receiving a certain "recipe" without getting a few ideas? Certainly I'm not the only respectable junkie who's read that and wondered.
 
I haven't read "Candy"... but I'm just glad to see you back, opi8....

As for being a respectable junkie... I'm almost two months out but feel like I'm on the verge of jumping straight back in to being a regal roulette shooter!
 
I don't think what he did would be possible today, everything in the book happened back in the 80's/early 90's, I'd imagine they've cracked down on the equipment/chemicals necessary by this stage. Not to mention codeine. It definitely did spark a fantasy though...

As for the book/movie, I thought they were both excellent in different ways, but we had this discussion somewhere on AUDD not too long ago.
 
Indeed.
NZ apparently still has a big homebake culture - but I think what we're talking about is in a different class to homebake, no?
 
Most Homebake in NZ is acetylated pharmaceutical morphine sulphate these days rather than the much more involved codeine homebake that was notorious decades back.
 
Yeah right.
Sounds like a nasty product would result from amateur efforts there.

I shudder to think.
 
From memory in the book he uses glacial acetic acid as part of the homebake recipe. As far as I can ascertain you cannot acetylate morphine with glacial acetic acid alone, you need acetic anhydride or acetyl chloride, despite some people claiming that it is possible. I think you might be able to get 6-MAM by using it, but I'm not sure.

Ash. <3
 
I think we had better keep this thread "respectable" and avoid getting too specific with the synth talk though, or we'll have one of those infraction-happy ausdd mods to deal with ;)
 
spacejunk said:
Yeah right.
Sounds like a nasty product would result from amateur efforts there.

I shudder to think.
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are you doubting my comment? I'd be surprised if you think that working up from extracted codeine would yield a better product and results than starting from MS itself.

Ashley is correct , Acetic Chloride or Acetic acid will commonly yield unreacted byproducts such as 6MAM, AA is the the gold standard for acetylating M.
 
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are you doubting my comment? I'd be surprised if you think that working up from extracted codeine would yield a better product and results than starting from MS itself.
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The problem with starting from MS is that you've got all the binders and fillers in the pill included in the cooking process - even if they're removed by a wheel filter (and I'm pretty sure most NZ homebake users don't bother) there's no way of knowing how they're reacting to the AA + heat.

Also, I've spoken to quite a few NZ homebake users, and none of them go through the final step to purify the H and extract the remnants of the AA, they just shoot the cook as soon as it's done, which means their shot is going to be considerably more acidic and degrade the veins much faster than regular #4 or filtered pills.
 
^ This is what I mean by "amateur efforts" yielding fucked up contaminants etc.
"Yeah right" meant in the non-sarcastic sense, if that makes my comment any clearer; not doubting anything.
 
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