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Please need to know at short notice how to inject grey morphine MS Contin pills, described by aussies usually as grey nurses, or grays,

Done it before once (years ago) but want to know other people techniques on this. cause I just added 3ml cold water to 1 x 100mg pill after grey coating was off but felt like i lost about 40%, still got very decent pins needles rush with some gel but I could still suck up 2ml and bam.

I am sure some of you aussie's out their might have some better experience/techniques????
 
^ I can't comment on technique dude, but you should definitely be using a micron filter before injecting any pill.

I don't get why you posted that question in the methadone, buprenorphine and other opioid pharmacotherapies thread, I am going to move it to the Smackie thread, as that seems more appropriate.
 
thanks for moving drug mentor, I was stoned and couldn't find smackie or oxy thread so posted there, thanks for moving. after being on blue light for 4 years I still have trouble on BL site searching except by trawling through pages or using google to search.

Thansk again for moving here.
 
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Please need to know at short notice how to inject grey morphine MS Contin pills, described by aussies usually as grey nurses, or grays,

Done it before once (years ago) but want to know other people techniques on this. cause I just added 3ml cold water to 1 x 100mg pill after grey coating was off but felt like i lost about 40%, still got very decent pins needles rush with some gel but I could still suck up 2ml and bam.

I am sure some of you aussie's out their might have some better experience/techniques????
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Use a bigger barrel and do multiple washes with cold water. There's something in the greys which clogs everything up in a bad way, but you can get most of it out if you wash all of your equipment multiple times and combine it into a single shot (in a 10ml barrel with a butterfly clip is ideal for MSContin, in my experience, but at the least, upgrade to a 5ml).
 
Tried heroin awhile back, low or average quality I guess? I have somewhat of a tolerance but after using half a quarter gram rectally I wasn't even nodding. The following friday I shot up just under 50mg which got me a nod but no rush i recall.
When IVing gear do you need to push the dose to the point where your almost paralytic to achieve a rush?
 
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No not at all hecticus, a point of good gear with no tolerance will give mad rush and nod when IV. Sounds like the gear your getting is poor quality.

Lots of white rock and powder where I am and a point is good rush for me and I use oxy or gear daily
 
No not at all hecticus, a point of good gear with no tolerance will give mad rush and nod when IV.
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A point of good heroin would kill anyone with no tolerance who was dumb enough to IV it.
 
by no means am i a regular heroin user, though with a mix of morphine er (generally booted) and oxynorm (oral or plugged) i am prescribed for chronic pain - DDD and needing a right knee replacement, not reconstruction) - i think i am suited to post in here.

refill day was today, with a delightful morphine dosage raise, so im floating round in the clouds on a decent amount of IV morphine and a 15mg dose of SL diazepam, mucho cigs n brewed cawfee. feeling damn good.

I likey this thread :)
 
spiritfolk - pm me if youd like to know my prep for the greys.

for a start you will need at least a 3 or 5ml luer lock barrel AND a micron filter.

quick n dirty of it is, crush a grey fine as possible. mix, then filter soln with a roll your own filter (supa slim prefered) into either size barrel, finalising with an .02 micron. there will be a decent enough for a second wash and follow up hit if needed or saving for a hit for the next day.

Pretty damn simple really :)

enjoy!
 
hey everyone. I'm an 25yo electrical engineering student from melbourne, and of course, an opiate fiend. Recently been IVing 300mg morphine every few days for the past few months but its getting hard to have more prescribed. I'm thinking of trying H, whats the purity/quality of it in Melbourne? I'm really missing the pins and needles dammit!
 
so where the fuck has everyone been. did we all cark it or something? So about a month ago i had to do a piss test. I hadn't used anything for over 50+ hours and yet it came out positive to opiates. This from very average Sydney gear, about 300mg.

They had the gall to tell me that the brightness of the result from the reagant indicated that there was still large amounts in my blood....wtf?

anyway what the hell are syd dealers cutting their shit with that it lasts that long? Oxy?
 
Does fentanyl or hydromorphone have a longer half life. I can't see them cutting it with methadone but maybe to try & give it some legs.

I rarely use opiates nowadays. Had some heroin yesterday, pointless while on methadone. For some reason morphine(ms-contin) is the only opiate that I get an effect from but I need at least 2 days off the 'done and quite a hefty dose.

I remember reading that only 40-60mg of morphine sulfate is soluble in 1ml of water so I'd definitely be using a 5ml syringe & ALWAYS micron filter those things. The gel must be horrible for your circulatory system.
 
Does fentanyl or hydromorphone have a longer half life
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Fentanyl has a very, very short half-life and hydromorphone is also one of the shorter acting opioids. Both are potent 'cuts' (additions, more like) for H when used IV but turn on the user real quick with a nasty backlash.

Off the top of my head the only opioids with truly long actions are methadone and buprenorphine - both extremely long lasting which makes sense as their function is to 'maintain' a dependency.

I find it interesting that the 'hero' actives in opium are considered to be morphine and to a lesser extent codeine, and yet there are lots of other alkaloids in there and somehow (never actually read this point explained anywhere) the effects are extremely long lasting.

Morphine is supposed to have merely 4 or so hours half-life (top of my head) but anyone who's had "real" opium knows that it hits like a cannon ball for at least 8-10 hours and then trails off for nearly as long. Clearly there's something in that alkaloid mix which is prolonging the effect.

EDIT: just wanted to clarify I'm talking about oral consumption of opium (can't shoot that stuff) and thus it hits like a very slow moving cannon ball. A steamroller might be a better analogy!
 
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^Agree on the length of the oral opium experience , whether opium itself or pod tea the effect would linger on into the next day
A mate has said high doses of oral MS lasts for many hours also , I don't have much experience with oral morph if anyone can confirm. Otherwise yeah there must be some increased duration from the other substances in P som latex.
 
Would the legs of opium have anything to do with the huge amounts of different alkaloids?

Maybe the ol liver has trouble processing it all at once.

The length of duration spun me out when I was using pst early on. Certainly wasent like a big dose of morphine and only codeine.

I have heard ideas of the thebaine having a bit to do with it.
 
well it wasn't opium because it was IV'd. It was white rockish powerder. the Doc claimed it was probably Oxy.

re opium it contains morphine, codeine and thebaine, papaverine and noscapine. I believe that liver metabolizes codeine into hydromorphone and something else that i can't remember from the top of my head.

Quite possibly there are enzymes at work or that are inhibited when opium is consumed which in increases the bioavailability of the various opiates.
 
I believe that liver metabolizes codeine into hydromorphone and something else that i can't remember from the top of my head.
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I'd love to get a source on that!

I find it amazing how opium, the source of all things opiate, can be such a complex mix of alkaloids that there still doesn't seem to be a clear explanation of what it is exactly that makes up the pure opium experience.

It's unrivalled, IMHO, as a full spectrum experience of calm, clarity, mysticism and deep peace.

Sounds all hippie dippy, but I swear that when my estranged brother Kalif spent a few years growing the plants and just tending them and nurturing them for months, the raw latex that came out of a ripe pod in spring was entirely unlike anything else - and it by volume the potency was obscene. Scored, collected, and dehydrated it holds up very well but there's something bordering on the spiritual in the fresh sap taken within minutes of scoring/lancing/slicing.

It's amazing stuff. Look into the Bentley compounds, of which I think buprenorphine belongs.

So much from one plant........

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Quite possibly there are enzymes at work or that are inhibited when opium is consumed which in increases the bioavailability of the various opiates.
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For sure. That's essentially what I wanted to say: I love that the natural substance has got it all and dishes it out in all the right ways. Nature knows what you need!
 
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Codeine is an opium alkaloid, found in plants of the papaver, primarily P. somniferum1⁠. Structurally, it is very similar to morphine with the only difference being a methoxy moiety (R-O-CH3) attached at the 3 position on the molecule. When codeine is consumed by humans a portion of the dose is metabolized into morphine, which is carried out by the isoenzyme CYP2D62⁠. Codeine is also metabolized into codeine-6-glucuronide via conjugation with glucuronic acid and n-demethylated to codeine. Some studies suggest that codeine-6-glucuronide may be responsible for part of the analgesia codeine provides3⁠.
The effects of codeine are very similar to morphine, though less potent; only around 10% of the codeine is converted into morphine, and around 10% of the Caucasian population is deficient in the isoenzyme that is necessary for this conversion to take place4⁠. Poor CYP2D6 metabolizers experience decreased levels of analgesia and euphoria compared to normal and extensive metabolizers. Anecdotal reports suggest that some users reach a 'ceiling dose' with codeine, usually around 400-600mg, and increasing the dose past this point does not increase euphoria or analgesia but rather leads to increased side effects. On the other hand, there are reports from users with a tolerance dosing as high as 2000mg or more.
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Nope, couldent find anything on codeine converting to hydromorphone.
 
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