The Main 5-MAPB Thread

[Si Dread]

But there's still the option of only taking one dose, and not touching it for a month (like some people can manage). imo it doesn't warrant saying never take this; just saying "maybe don't take this, but if you do, don't redose after you come down/the next day" (and there aren't that many other options really)

To be sure i much prefer 6-apb to mapb (mainly because of longer duration), but it is pretty nice used right.

Used right? I doubt it, somehow! In fact, I suspect accumulative damage from single doses, due to the surprising longevity & severity of the symtoms I've suffered after only a few, small fuck ups. I advise anyone with half a brain & any other option, not to take 5-mapb or any APB, but to use your half a brain & take one of the other options instead. If you Vurtual are quite happy to risk even minor, semi-permanent damage to your serotonergic system, & you're quite happy to sit there & advise other people to take that risk too, fine, you go ahead!

My advise is, these drugs, 5-mapb in particular, are really not worth the risk, simple as that.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

Anyone else have any positive experiences with 5-MAPB? This thread seems to have turned into
Si Ingwe's Reasons Not To Take 5-MAPB And Responses To His Comments.
Since this drug is supposed to be so similar to MDMA, I thought there would be a lot more talk of people's experiences.

*No offense SilentRoller, but you have the ugliest avatar in the history of bluelight.

 

[Vurtual]

....My advise is.....

Yeah you're probably right on a HR site to say something like that; i was just chipping in as someone who does do it (mapb only occasionally, apb more) without major issues for a bit of balance - but yeah i should probably have said - 'it's risky; here's the possible anecdotal risks; here's my opinion of the risks/effects - make your own mind up, but if you want to minimise risks, don't take it'. Quantifying risk's a tricky business - but your advice is maybe the rightest for HR in this case.

EDIT - @HNIF - i have positive experiences with this, but have had some negatives - i'd recommend 6-apb over mapb as i've had less issues (though still get a nasty comedown if i redose too much); though to backtrack a bit from my above backtrack, it'd be a bit hypocritical to say i've enjoyed it and then say i don't recommend it (as the positive rep recommends it anyway); either way it's better to have opinions from as many people as possible to get a proper picture

 

[Transform]

But there's still the option of only taking one dose, and not touching it for a month (like some people can manage). imo it doesn't warrant saying never take this; just saying "maybe don't take this, but if you do, don't redose after you come down/the next day" (and there aren't that many other options really)

To be sure i much prefer 6-apb to mapb (mainly because of longer duration), but it is pretty nice used right.

Based on anecdoctal reports (which is all we have with RCs), I *do* believe that 5-MAPB is more susceptible to this side effect than other chemicals. I believe that the APBs and APBDs are on par with MDMA/MDA. However, this is "my opinion" and completely unscientific. As with the SSRIs, it will probably affect some people and not others. In other words, many people will take 5-MAPB and be just fine.

I concurr. I definitely think caution is warranted here but I do not think it should be labelled "do not take".

 

[SilentRoller]

*No offense SilentRoller, but you have the ugliest avatar in the history of bluelight.

Glad I've set the standard! It's not a picture of me in case anyone is wondering.

 

[Section813]

It seems folks forget that proper mdma has a strong tendency towards same type effects. It doesn't surprise me at all that as we get closer towards mdma in structure and effects profile that we are seeing similar side effects.

In 1995 a very close friend of mine stuck a shotgun in his mouth following a multidose weekend.

I can't count the times I've had the brain zaps.

Neither of us has ever taken 5-mapb.

 

[tasha_yar]

I will not be trying this for a long time (got my order in the mail today!) since I took a small dose of 6-APB at the end of last month and want to get out of the pattern of using these kinds of substances with regularity to minimize the likelihood of experiencing terrible effects.

Keeping it refrigerated should keep it good for a while, yes?

 

[Si Dread]

Anyone else have any positive experiences with 5-MAPB? This thread seems to have turned into
Si Ingwe's Reasons Not To Take 5-MAPB And Responses To His Comments.
Since this drug is supposed to be so similar to MDMA, I thought there would be a lot more talk of people's experiences.

*No offense SilentRoller, but you have the ugliest avatar in the history of bluelight.

I'll shut up for a bit, shall I?

Thanks to Vurtual for clarifying & sorry for being overly confrontational.

Blessing to all!

 

[electrodevo]

I don't think they can be called withdrawals, considering you'd have to take the drug for a LONG time for your body to adapt to it in that way. I've always figured "Brain Zaps" were a more direct rewiring of receptors. Sometimes it can be good, although if it's directly after drug abuse it most likely isn't..

It's known as a "withdrawal" symptom for SSRIs because "brain zaps" often occur on discontinuation, particularly on sudden discontinuation.

Yes, with the triple releasers "withdrawal" is sort of the wrong word. A single dose of a triple releaser will downregulate the serotonin receptors after all. And it takes time for things to go back to normal. And this is the process (downregulated serotonin receptors coming back to normal) that seems linked to the "brain zaps". So I'm not sure what to call it for the releasers. "Potential side effect"?

The frustrating thing about "brain zaps" is that we don't know a whole lot about them. Benzo withdrawal *also* is linked to brain zaps; some SSRIs / releasers seem more prone to "brain zap" side effects than others; not everyone gets "brain zaps"; we don't know how brain zaps work very well; etc. It makes it difficult to mitigate risk, unless you chose to avoid the compound class entirely.

Having said that, 5-MAPB is one of the few compounds I hear a fair number of reports (not just one guy) of "brain zaps" with relatively few sessions. You hardly *ever* heard that with 5-APB, 6-APB, MDMA, MDA, etc. etc. "Brain zaps" were not always, but more typically associated with extended abuse with these compounds. This is what would makes me more cautious about 5-MAPB in particular.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

I'll shut up for a bit, shall I?

Thanks to Vurtual for clarifying & sorry for being overly confrontational.

Blessing to all!

No way. I apologize if it came off as what I was wanting. This is a harm reduction site, first and foremost. I was just wondering about positive experiences with 5-MAPB. There seems to a lack of experiences in this thread. Carry on as you were, Si Ingwe. After all, you are speaking from experience and that is always greatly appreciated.

Glad I've set the standard! It's not a picture of me in case anyone is wondering.

That is so you. Don't even try to deny. :D

 

[Si Dread]

No way. I apologize if it came off as what I was wanting. This is a harm reduction site, first and foremost. I was just wondering about positive experiences with 5-MAPB. There seems to a lack of experiences in this thread. Carry on as you were, Si Ingwe. After all, you are speaking from experience and that is always greatly appreciated.

"... ah isn't that nice, he took the time..." Harold Zoid, Futurama :D

Seriously, I prefer not to be the miserable bugger who won't lighten up about shit, it's just not me! I'm trying to have a laugh through life, what the hells it for if not a laugh? But still, I appreciate the words & I'll be around

 

[bloodshed344]

I concurr. I definitely think caution is warranted here but I do not think it should be labelled "do not take".

I do not like your advice without the note that it needs to be titrated to an active dose to know if it's safe for each individual personally.

 

[garchi]

Anyone else have any positive experiences with 5-MAPB?

Well yes, BUT...

Okay I've already shared my first two experiences with this substance in this post.

One week after the 400 mg (over the course of 12 hours) I and my buddy took 500 mg (each) over the course of 8 to 10 hours.

In retrospective
- The most pronounced effect of the short break was a noticeable tolerance
- The experience was still wonderful due to the strong empathatic effect but much less pronounced in the euphoric department
- I have yet to experience a classic "comedown" with this substance. At a certain point after the last dose we just got pretty tired and then ended the experience with etizolam.
- Some effects (altered psyche, mostly more positive outlook and empathy) were still present after 8 hours of sleep and (though continuously diminishing) lasted for several days.
- This time we took 5-HTP before and after the experience for several days, respectively.


Now considering the various health issues
- the high doses (400 mg and 500 mg) lead to a slight to medium fuckup of our noses. We rinsed our noses with saline solution multiple times during the experience and applied nose balm (containing dexpanthenol) at the end. This severely limited discomfort the next days, though we still experienced some nosebleeds even several days after the experience. Additionally I caught an annoying cold after the last experience.
- I've read about dizzyness multiple times and experienced it after both experiences, usually starting about 2-3 days after dosing and then receding over the course of some days. It's not very strong but still discomforting.
- After both experiences, my buddy and I experienced intense and weird dreams in the 2nd night after dosing. Afterwards the weirdness of the dreams diminished the next days.
- Now for the most important part: Neither my buddy nor I have experienced depression or anxiety issues. I would even go as far as to say our overall mood is still slightly higher than before. Regarding the negative feedback in here I'm still a little anxious these could still hit long-term, but the first high-dose (400 mg) was 3 weeks ago and the 2nd 2 weeks ago (500 mg) and I think we're doing okay.

Now in conclusion, we both really love this substance. But to be on the safe side, we're gonna take a break (at least 1 month) and probably reduce our dosage. 400 mg over 12 hours seemed okay, maybe a bit less (we're both big fellas). I think with this it's especially important to NOT dose multiple days in succession and take appropriate breaks.

 

[Transform]

garchi that is a prime example of the sort of use which has proven dangerous with this compound. Please make sure you follow your stated future plans very strictly.

I do not like your advice without the note that it needs to be titrated to an active dose to know if it's safe for each individual personally.

I'm not sure it does need a huge amount of titration, it just needs people to not use 500mg in one sitting and not use more than one day in a month (maximum)

 

[Si Dread]

Indeed, I didn't want to have to be the one to say it, but that sounds like a risky regme with this stuff & I consider it remarkable that the users above Trans have not suffered any Brain Zaps. Given that a fornight has gone by, they do appear to have dodged a bullet.

Much as I hate to be the miserable one, I think it's fair to report that I have recently had a case where the nasty Brain Zaps Crisis similar to that which I suffered, reported to me through a friend, & occured after the use of one or two, seperated, 250mg doses. I have not had a chance to communicate with this poor fellow directly unfortunately, so this is effectively hearsay. Nontheless, as it backs my theory of cumulative damage from 5-mapb even if it doesnt initially cause any problems I thought it fair to mention.

My theory goes that seeing I suffered such an awful bout of illness after using such small doses (albeit consecutively & stupidly!), it's possible that those who do not suffer any acute symptoms may be doing longer term damage to their serotonergic system & that conservative, single dosing of this drug may still be just as harmful in the longer term as the short-term use that caused me such problems.

I would disuade folk from snorting this drug, as, apart from the damage it clearly causes to the septum, that's also the route that I used before causing myself such an awful illness!

I would much prefer to be wrong about this but until we know more, please be careful using 5-mapb, if you really have to use it!

... & sorry about that, perhaps one day I'l have some GOOD news about 5-mapb!

 

[Torabora]

What could you do to minimize downregulation after taking a dose? Same as with MDMA should help or am I wrong? Does anybody tried to take 5-HTP before going to bed? or even take a very small ammount of an SSRI like Citalopram or Fluoexetin or Venlafaxin? This should help the Receptors to not deplete and not to downregulate?

I have only one experience with 5-MAPB I took 80mg (oral, took like 1 1/2h to come up) and was really stoned like with very good MDMA just maybe a little bit more Serotonergic and less "speedy" duration was very long I had huge pupils after 12h!! I also had eye wiggles like on 4-MMC wich was very nice :D. Okay have to add that I also took like 30mg of a-pvp 2h before the 5-MAPB

now to the bad part after the 12h mark I go to bead. Sleeping was no Problem so I slept for like 6h and felt really good! I eat sth. watched a bit TV & stuff and was going to bad again after 4h (had to work next day) sleeping again no problem but on the next day my circulation was pretty fucked up (and that after like 36h taking the dose!!!) I nearly blacked out on the way to the shower after sitting a little it got better i eat a apple and had to call in sick... well after a few more hours of sleeping I was more or less okay to walk around still a bit shaky though. Even after a another day I still feel a bit shaky witch is really worrisome.. So I think I will not take this stuff again even if it was a very nice experience (would say it it is on par or even a little bit better then MDMA). I had no brainzaps or anything never had so dont know how it feels but yea nothing strange with my head (well okay some headache) just severe circulation problems.

 

[Transform]

I would expect most or all of the preloading precautions used for MDMA to be at least somewhat effective with 5-MAPB.

 

[garchi]

We took 5-HTP in the week after the 400 mg and before the 500 mg.

Of course this is highly subjective, but I would say the most pronounced effect was a reduced craving the day after 500 mg. After the first 400 mg, we experienced some discomforting, yet manageable craving the day after. Nothing even remotely comparing to mephedrone, but if we still had 5-MAPB we probably would have indulged and maybe suffered the horrible comedown described by some people here.

With 5-HTP and 500 mg 5-MAPB some very slight craving was present the day after but definitely less than a week before.

In other news: Anybody tried this with AL-LAD? This is still a distant thought for me as I'm first gonna try AL-LAD alone, but the combintion intrigues me. Unfortunately I wasn't fortunate enough to experience a classic candyflip yet.

 

[idontknow_]

400 mg 5-MAPB gave me severe adverse effects:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/694245-5-MAPB-mid-term-effects?p=11846095#post11846095

It's 3 months since my last dose and I'm still occasionally experiencing nystagmus, as well as my left body half feeling numb. Both especially in stress. Depression and anxiety are still noticeable but much better.

What really bugs me is that numb feeling, especially in my fingers.
It first happened when I was on 6-APB/5-MAPB and Vardenafil (Levitra) and my trip shifted towards anxiety. For weeks after my blood pressure and cortisol levels were elevated, but are now back to normal. I had my heart checked, which is fine, so the doctor said it's something neurological. It's not that bad yet, but it doesn't feel like it's getting any better. Wait times for a neurologist/psychologist are very long where I live.

Has anyone experienced something similar? Will the numbness go away eventually?

 

[Si Dread]

400 mg 5-MAPB gave me severe adverse effects:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/694245-5-MAPB-mid-term-effects?p=11846095#post11846095

It's 3 months since my last dose and I'm still occasionally experiencing nystagmus, as well as my left body half feeling numb. Both especially in stress. Depression and anxiety are still noticeable but much better.

What really bugs me is that numb feeling, especially in my fingers.
It first happened when I was on 6-APB/5-MAPB and Vardenafil (Levitra) and my trip shifted towards anxiety. For weeks after my blood pressure and cortisol levels were elevated, but are now back to normal. I had my heart checked, which is fine, so the doctor said it's something neurological. It's not that bad yet, but it doesn't feel like it's getting any better. Wait times for a neurologist/psychologist are very long where I live.

Has anyone experienced something similar? Will the numbness go away eventually?

After taking 5 and 6-APB for years spaced out by ~2 months each time and only developing minor adverse effects, I switched to 5-MAPB. At first I liked it more, though I felt it gave me ridiculously long residual effects (2 days+), instead of a comedown like 5/6.
The combo 6-APB + 5-MABP would lower my inhibitions to near zero and I would do stuff more stupid and against social norms than I could ever have imagined me doing.
The euphoria and high steadily got worse, until the overall experience was just 'meh' and somewhat anxiety ridden.

Also 5-MAPB felt slightly addictive, especially via oral or rectal ROA and would lead to slight, but controllable binges.

After about 2 grams of 5-MAPB over ~4 months I developed/exacerbated unpleasant effects, as in:

-major social anxiety
-slight shaking in stress
-occassional early parkinson's like finger/arm twitching
-medium strength depression and anhedonia
-highly elevated blood pressure
-frequent numbness of left arm
-feeling of swollen throat
-elevated cortisol levels
-light paranoia
-tinnitus (not sure if it was caused by 5-MAPB)
-brain zaps (first week after last dose only)
-ocassional nystagismus in stress- or bliss​

About 2 and a half months after my last and highest dose (~400mg over 10 hours), most of the really unpleasant effects are gone, and I feel like my emotions are re-calibrating right now. I don't think I could have gotten or worked in a job in that time period, though it was still bearable.

I've tried numeral supplemental helps, and found only Fish oil to be (very) effective in dealing with my depression. I almost felt like getting slight flashbacks from it. I'm not taking it anymore right now, to let my serotonin system re-calibrate on it's own. Also 20 minute cardio training every second day seemed to alleviate my physical problems a lot.

I can't really guarantee I wouldn't have gotten the same from a similar irresponsible use of MDMA or the other APBs, though I felt 5-MAPB had a very strong effect on serotonin and long half-life and may be more damaging.

Conclusion
Please be careful with 5-MAPB. It seems to be a very strong serotonin releaser and may result in mid to long term down-regulation of your serotonin system, which can have a number of adverse effects.

Wow! Obviously, I've got some lingering fucking issues coz of this stuff, but yours might be the most worrying report yet. I'm quoting & replying to both your posts here if you don't mind... I'm on a bit of a mission to learn more about 5-mapb & collate experiences such as yours.

Glad the hearts okay mate, I've been thinking about mine. Some lingering light-headedness had me thinking I might have some heart problem, but my appetite has also been affected & I think the light head is hunger.

I had some very strange & unpleasantly powerful Brain Zap symptoms that caused me pain, tingling & numbness in my fingers, during the worst of my 5-mapb after effects. It sounds as if you have suffered some more long lasting effects on your nerves. If the numbness is coupled with pain it may be described as neuralgia. I suspect this too will ease but I'd see a professional whenever you can, if I were you. Don't be shy to describe exactly what you took that got you into this situation, it may help diagnosis & treatment.

I also suffer tinnitus & I am also beginning to believe that it has been & is seriously exacerbated by a damaged serotonin system, caused in my case promarily by 5-mapb. As I move further & further away from the compounds & activites that caused my prblems, my tinnitus, my Zaps & all my mood difficulties have eased. I've cut back heavily on the alcohol & I'm working on quiting both alcohol & caffeine altogether. Reduction of caffeine has a definite effect in reducing my tinnitus.

The emotional & psychological problems have almost completely eased for me, I'm still suffering all the symptoms of SSRI Discontinuations Syndrome ie Brain Zaps, depression/anxiety, insomnia, appetite loss, paranoia & social anxiety but most of these are within bearable levels & continue to improve. Hopefully the same will be the case for you.

Please keep us informed of your progress & let us know what gets said by a Neurologist, when you're lucky enough to have seen one. Feel free to drop me a private line if you feel the need!

Best Wishes friend!