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I've received a couple of reports of women without tolerance having excessively intense experiences with 100mg leading to disorientation, loss of visual acuity and an intense comedown followed by a prolonged hangover. Beware. Interestingly, this compound seems to take longer to be fully absorbed than MDMA; I've received reports of people not feeling the full effects till approximately 2h after oral ingestion on an empty stomach.
 
I have a question. Whenever i dose oral with 5-mapb in particular i get ZERO effects no matter the dose. But when insufflated i can feel it pretty good. What do you think is happening that makes this one inactive when i take it orally but not when insufflated.
 
Ah! Interesting.

I seriously fucked myself up using small, insufflated doses of 5-mapb early last year on an already depleted serotonin system. I'm still sufferng the occassional brain zap but fortunately a years worth of depression & anxiety (in particular) has mostly eased. For whatever reason, it may well be that the harm I caused my brain was worse because I unsufflated this material.

Quick reminder. This stuff may well superficially replace MDMA, but if you have any option for serotonergic drugs other than 5-mapb I would advise it's use & not this 5-mapb.

I mean no offence when I say that as some are quite happy to evangelise about this stuff, I am quite happy to evangelise against it. Careful with this stuff please people <3
 
The dihydro (APDB) compunds tend to be more selective serotonin releasers, so MAPB would be more stimulating.
Definitely agree on 5-apdb, but the 6-apdb I've had didn't feel that different from 6-apb (except slightly lower dose/duration). That's why I'm also curious about 5-MAPDB and waiting for some reports (or a vendor selling small quantities) to decide if it's worth a try.

I mean no offence when I say that as some are quite happy to evangelise about this stuff, I am quite happy to evangelise against it. Careful with this stuff please people
Ah you're right about being careful. Now it never caused me any problems (none of the benzofurans did), but that doesn't mean it's harmless. There's nothing wrong with researching any substance before trying and then deciding for yourself.
 
I'm curious about the tryptamine component of the suggested cocktail. Is the intent to make the roll ever so slightly trippy, like some people report MDMA to be, or is there something more complex going on in the brain with the "5HT1 activation" that would bleed over into other effects?
 
If you're talking about the original suggestion of a few mg 4-ho-met or 5-meo-mipt (the original gives actual numbers, but since they are so low that you can't measure them with the scales most of us have I just say few), no. The idea is making a cocktail which would replicate MDMAs actions as close as possible and MDMA activates those receptors. So you have 5-mapb releasing lots of serotonin but not enough da/ne and the 2-fma releasing lots of da/ne. This gives you a release ratio close to MDMA. The small amount of the tryptamine gives the missing 5HT1 activation.

The version I love with 25mg 4-ho-met is kinda like mdma + mushrooms and the 4-ho-met does indeed make it trippy.
 
One bad synth is going around, from what I know, no dangerous impurities, it is just weak stuff
 
I'm curious about the tryptamine component of the suggested cocktail. Is the intent to make the roll ever so slightly trippy, like some people report MDMA to be, or is there something more complex going on in the brain with the "5HT1 activation" that would bleed over into other effects?

http://www.mdma.net/oxytocin-release/mdma-oxytocin.pdf

5HT-1a is important in the MDMA experience as it contributes to the sociable magic which is mediated by oxytocin. The doses of psychedelic suggested are intended only to activate this enough to trigger these effects. Trippiness is usually a side effect of excessive MDMA consumption; if that is what one seeks then an MDMA clone is probably not what they should be after.
 
so mutch talk about thus :: : 5 ~~~MAPB, cant find any of that on the vendors i have from, but 6-MAPB, i get this i bought alot of it but there is so little info about it on this BL site so shit...wasent even knowing what im buying just did it cause my vendor dident want to tell me 10 grams of 6-APDB cause he was telling me their neyrly out and "6-mapb is coming soon its mutch better trust me"
and it was cheaper too so i just went for it, 3 doses ive tried was at 130mg first time next was 80mg of it+ 40mg crystals mdma, and last was at 150, it is really good intense and relaxing at the same time even when u doing stuff like walking dancing like a soldier with confident like a boss etc, but about 5-MAPB & 6-MAPB??? if anyone does know? about chemical laboratoy molecules or syntesises, are those 2 diff chemicals very different or more like similare?
 
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jesuspeople666 I've had a few people I know try 6-MAPB and have heard it's a sight better than 5-MAPB and a wonderful substance. 5-MAPB should be the more serotonergic of the two, more relaxed and laid back, while 6-MAPB should be maybe a more stimulating MDMA, somewhere between MDMA and 6-APB, I'd say 5-MAPB is like a more relaxed and chill MDMA, probably between MDMA and MDEA in effects if I were to guess but having not tried MDEA, only 6-EAPB and 5-EAPB to compare I can't say that without it being more than speculation.

5-MAPB is a lovely drug though, I preferred it to 5-APB because I felt like 5-APB didn't do quite the job MDMA did at being the relaxed empathogen, and lacked the euphoric rushy push of its more dopaminergic cousin 6-APB. 5-MAPB on the other hand was even more relaxing than MDMA and offered a unique experience that set it aside from the typical MDMA experience just like how 6-APB is a different experience to MDMA, and worthwhile on its own. I've heard from several people that 6-MAPB is preferrable, but a lot of people selling it are selling stuff that isn't 6-MAPB so take extra precautions when buying it if you aren't 100% sure how reliable your source is.

In general when comparing such drugs, you have the non-methylated primary amines, MDA, 6-APB and 5-APB, of the lot iirc 6-APB is the most dopaminergic, then MDA, then 5-APB which to me felt a bit lacking compared to MDMA or 6-APB but made up for it with its duration. These are the most dopaminergic compounds though still compared to their analogues, N-methylating them i.e. MDMA, 6-MAPB and 5-MAPB makes them less dopaminergic (rushy, euphoric, stimulating), a tad shorter lasting, and more relaxing, lovey, and serotonergic, laid back. Again 6-MAPB is more stimulating than MDMA which is more stimulating than 5-MAPB if I recall correctly, then N-ethylating them, i.e. MDEA, 6-EAPB and 5-EAPB further increases the selectivity for serotonin release, with them all being very relaxed mongy drugs, 6-EAPB still being akin to MDMA but a bit more laid back, MDEA being quite mongy and flooring on its own, and 5-EAPB being between something like MDEA and a pure serotonin releaser like MDAI. Good for combos or relaxing nights in.

Out of 5-APB, 5-MAPB and 5-EAPB, 5-APB and 5-MAPB are both worthwhile on their own, 5-APB imo not being quite as unique an experience but 5-MAPB being quite similar to a more relaxed MDMA, and 5-EAPB not being that euphoric or exciting on its own but still great for a night in with close friends/loved ones, and excellent to combine with stimulants or psychedelics (5-EAPB + LSD = <3)

In short: MDA/6-APB/5-APB are more party and dance oriented, though 5-APB is fairly lacking in that department until you dose higher and I found it more like MDMA but without some of the unique magic of MDMA. MDMA/6-MAPB/5-MAPB are great for nights in cuddling with loved ones and friends but still make their own at a party out dancing, just don't be surprised if you're floored and end up laying on a couch in the club with someone cuddling the night away, and MDEA/6-EAPB/5-EAPB are even further in the cuddly relaxed direction. All of them are great but it really depends on the setting you take them in as to which will suit the experience best. Of those I've tried 6-APB, 5-APB, MDMA, 5-MAPB, 6-EAPB and 5-EAPB so my anecdotes on the others come from studies on release values and experiences of others but may be worth asking other people about too.

Hope this helps :)
 
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I love 6-APB and 5-MAPB, raved on them every weekend through 2012. had a big break after that but got some more 6 recently, one of the best RCs on the market i reckon. infact i'd sooner have it over the lacking MDMA around here at the moment
 
After you roll, your brain expresses high levels of Monoamine Oxidase (MAO) leading to a lot of your bp regulating transmitters such as serotonin and norepinephrine being destroyed, leading to low levels of these monoamines. This causes the crash, which is usually accompanied by a temporary decrease in bp until your brain can restore normal levels of neurotransmitters.

Don't know if I'm the first to point this out, but this is somewhat myopic according to my knowledge. You're right about mao expression in the days after, but I think the low BP is more likely rebound compensation from pummeling your baroreceptors, kidneys, and heart adrenergics with go juice. Psychonauts tend to attribute too many effects to single neurotransmitter/enzyme dysregulation. I point stuff like this out so people don't walk away with a narrow understanding of what's happening and take more drugs they could do without. Don't even get me started on the supplement regimens lol.

...as far as the compound goes, i had some pretty nasty peripheral and renal vasoconstriction from 5-apb and amps. 5-apb seemed to prefer my a1 receptors. I ended up unable to piss for three hours with mild pitting edema in my ankles. I'm quite sure my face melted, but man my kidneys were burning, BP was high, and I was hyperthermic.

Keep it in mind for amp combos!
 
a nice nodding euphoria, -very stimmy, takes more than necessary (iv route) <---pointless and destructive.
any other experience with this roa and the other apbs?

still enjoying it, not going to get specific on the dosage levels yet
but its definitely heart heavy, and brings out the stimulant side very much so
 
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so mutch talk about thus :: : 5 ~~~MAPB, cant find any of that on the vendors i have from, but 6-MAPB, i get this i bought alot of it but there is so little info about it on this BL site so shit...wasent even knowing what im buying just did it cause my vendor dident want to tell me 10 grams of 6-APDB cause he was telling me their neyrly out and "6-mapb is coming soon its mutch better trust me"
and it was cheaper too so i just went for it, 3 doses ive tried was at 130mg first time next was 80mg of it+ 40mg crystals mdma, and last was at 150, it is really good intense and relaxing at the same time even when u doing stuff like walking dancing like a soldier with confident like a boss etc, but about 5-MAPB & 6-MAPB??? if anyone does know? about chemical laboratoy molecules or syntesises, are those 2 diff chemicals very different or more like similare?
I don't really understand your post? You bought/took/liked 6-APDB or 6-MAPB?

As for the similarity between 5 and 6 MAPB, yeah, they are close, 6 is more stimulating for me but not really better.... a bit different would be a better word. Others say it's better so I guess it's a personal thing. With the current prices I'd only buy/take 5-MAPB, if they were priced closer then probably half of each (hope this isn't to close to price discussion).
 
One bad synth is going around, from what I know, no dangerous impurities, it is just weak stuff

Just curious if anyone else knows anything else about this supposed bad synth going around? Not sure what to think of it. When 5-MAPB very first became available I ordered some (from a very respectable UK vendor) and it was basically MDMA, but longer lasting. Very strong, lots of eye wiggles, euphoria, inability to not dance, no ability to maintain an erection (but fooling around felt amazing), and most importantly it felt like a TRUE empathogen and my girlfriend and I opened up to eachother a lot. I managed to afford a second order and then it became totally unavailable for months. Now that it's available again I have ordered it twice (3 times?) in small amounts and it's always been completely lacking. It seems like it should be the same thing, but for some reason it just hasn't worked at all like those first orders back in the beginning of 2013. There's no empathy, no eye-wiggles (even at doses 1.5 times higher), erections are possible and even orgasm if the dose isn't too high, no boundless energy or urge to dance... The only thing that seems to really be the same is some jaw-clenching and a squirmy pleasant body high. Snorting it will approach the effects achieved before, but they still don't even come close.

Did anyone else have a similar experience? I was thinking maybe I fried my brain a bit and "lost the magic", but it doesn't seem possible to lose all the side-effects as well. The only effect that seems to have lingered is some nausea/stomach upset (mainly for my girlfriend, I don't really get it) and some mental fog that settles in until sleeping a while. Maybe the original stuff going out wasn't actually 5-MAPB? Any theories?

Edit: I forgot to add that 100mg was enough to have a surprisingly strong experience with the original batches, and with the current kind I've gotten is completely boring at this amount. Upping the dose to 150mg or more makes the effects stronger, but those effects do not include more energy, empathy, eye wiggles, etc. Its very sedating.
 
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While reading about the combinations while passing the time before this 5MAPB kicks in, I decided I add 5mg of Miprocin and 5mg of MXE insufflated and 10mg oral with a moderate tolerance. I only mixed those two because I lack any other substances with dipaminergic action. This IS a dangerous combination however, I would advise everybody not to mix MXE with any serotonin releaser, especially 5-MAPB. Anyways, that gave me a few questions. 5-MAPB is a dopamine releaser not a reputable inhibitor I assume, correct? I understand DRIs (excluding MXE) are less neurotoxic to combine with empathogens than Releasers, but do the different mechanisms of action, releasing vs inhibiting reuptake, effect how it closely it'll resemble MDMA? Or is the goal basically as simple as having more dopamine?

Also, has anybody tried 3-MeO-PCP with 5-MAPB? I don't believe 3-MeO-PCP has a significant effect on serotonin but it is a fairly powerful DRI if I remember correctly. Any thoughts or experiences?
 
Do they really?

"Dissociatives are a class of hallucinogen, which distort perceptions of sight and sound and produce feelings of detachment - dissociation - from the environment and self. This is done through reducing or blocking signals to the conscious mind from other parts of the brain.[1] Although many kinds of drugs are capable of such action, dissociatives are unique in that they do so in such a way that they produce hallucinogenic effects, which may include sensory deprivation, dissociation, hallucinations, and dream-like states or trances.[2] Some, which are nonselective in action and affect the dopamine [3] and/or opioid[4] systems, may be capable of inducing euphoria"
 
The whole issue is pretty unclear. Subjectively there seems to be few, if any interactions between the two classes, with the exception of things like DXM
 
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