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I missed that - I would actually suggest drinking a completely normal amount of water for the activity you are doing. If you do have the urge to drink a lot then I would also suggest adding a teaspoon of salt per 500mls to prevent hyponatremia caused by urinary retention.
 
black53 said:
Subjectively you need to try both and see for your self which do you like more.

Scientificaly read Transforms post
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Did a search for Author=Transform and keyword=5-MAPB and could not find it. What an I missing? Thanks!
 
Bump. Anyone else has tried this?
I will sample 5-mapb soon, but I am still unsure about what to expect.
I have reasons to believe my stuff is 99.7% pure, as advertised.
It is white, btw.
What should be the dose for a first time, considering a concert setting?
5-apb is also available, would it be better to take at a concert?
 
I read a blog just last night about this MDMA like cocktail was 5mapb, 2fma and 4-ho-met (although it said you could use 5-meo-mipt). Then it went on to list the amount of each and gave the mipt amount instead of the met, and it listed it at 3mg.... I think it listed 5mapb at 50mg and 2-fma at 20mg, the problem i have is the Mipt amount. It's 3mg, so it's too small for me to weigh dry, but volumetric is going to be a problem with 50mg of 5mapb and 20mg of 2-fma. Haven't checked the solubility of 2fma but 5mapb is something like 10-15mg/ml in ethanol, thats going to need a damn dram vial on its own if i intend to give it to friends also as single doses for free of coarse. IF I was to cap then I'm screwed on the 3mg of Mipt, I have a mg scale but it's a gemini 20mg and i have a feeling it's accurate to -/+5mg so 3mg is definitely a problem, shit a 10mg dose is a problem when you can have a 50% over/under variable, screw 3mg.

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Just lost half my post, questions are these.
Which is better the 5-meo-mipt 3mg or 4-ho-met 6mg (the met part is a guess just because it appears to need twice the dosage of the mipt).

Has anyone tried the 5-mapb,2fma,5meomipt combo only, (sorry didn't want to sift through many pages, read the first few and skipped to last)

I'd like to do this recipe http://whitetrance.com/info/blog
 
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black53 said:
Subjectively you need to try both and see for your self which do you like more.

Scientificaly read Transforms post or this tl;dr version:
MDMA - serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine release at a certain ratio + 5hta1 activation
5-mapb - serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine release at a different ratio with more emphasis on serotonin
the combo - serotonin/dopamine/norephinephrine release at a ratio closer to mdma (thanks to the 2-fma) + 5hta1 activation thanks to the tryptamine
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where's the data that shows 5-mapb is more selective to serotonin or is a stronger serotonin releaser than mdma? not sure which one of those you meant by saying "with more emphasis on serotonin"
 
There is no data but anecdotal evidence suggests it is both more potent and more selective as a serotonin releaser.

Itsbooming: You're correct about the 4-HO-MET dose - either one will work just fine. Because it's such a small amount you are unlikely to notice the difference.
 
Hey guys, I'm looking to do the 5-mapb + 4-ho-met + 2-fma combo. However, when I'd like to do it is next Saturday, and I can't source the latter two by then.

What are yall's thought on replacing the 2-fma with adderall?

And as a secondary, not as necessary question, replacing the 4-ho-met with a small dose of NBOMe? A friend has some that I could use, but I don't want to unless it achieves the same receptor agonism that the 4-ho-met goes for in this combo.
 
psy997 said:
What are yall's thought on replacing the 2-fma with adderall?
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Not ideal but this would probably work acceptably. Don't push the dose high of either stim.

psy997 said:
And as a secondary, not as necessary question, replacing the 4-ho-met with a small dose of NBOMe? A friend has some that I could use, but I don't want to unless it achieves the same receptor agonism that the 4-ho-met goes for in this combo.
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Not an option I'm afraid, NBOMes are very selective for 5-HT-2a
 
I'd also recommend combining 5-MAPB with phenibut, a GABAergic drug that you can purchase online quite easily. On its own, phenibut behaves somewhat like alcohol, though much 'cleaner'; feelings of relaxation, anti-anxiety effects, and mild stimulation and sociability at proper doses (I'd recommend around 3 to 4 grams). But when thrown into the mix with 5-MAPB, it perfectly complements the lack of stimulation without the peripheral effects (jaw clenching, restlessness, etc.). Plus, after the roll is complete, you'll get extremely restful sleep and feel considerably less 'rolled over' the next day. I've experimented with this combo quite a bit and it is PRIMO. I've also combined 5-MAPB with 2-fluoroamphetamine with excellent effects. A little crackier than the former combo, obviously.
 
Transform said:
Not ideal but this would probably work acceptably. Don't push the dose high of either stim.

Not an option I'm afraid, NBOMes are very selective for 5-HT-2a
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What dosage would you recommend if only 5-mapb and adderall are being taken? I definitely want to roll hard, but in terms of empathogens, I've only done 6-apb twice, so there's no lost magic.
 
The same as normal but directly replacing 2-FMA with adderall. Be aware though that this will be quite inferior to the correctly assembled mixture.
 
so far this has good responses.

can dose multiple times a day (all day),
able to be used for 3 days before tolerance.. tolerance..

doses of 60-80mg is a grin, double that and you get something else.
(less is always more IMO)

i find up the nose the way to go but also heavy on nose especially in combinations..
;couple gum dabs go well

still find it a need other compound combination, but heh what can i say.

combinations:

mpa (perfect for all day)
eph (burst)
coke (euphoria)
2cb (euphoria slight visuals)
MDAi (<Visuals and intense euphoria) <--- ?


seems like a decent chem that is currently around,
controllable compound for mixing and matching,
is a perfect match for combinations, watch the heart and make sure to hydrate (no shit?) .
have yet to try any dissociates in combination.

similar to a clean, yet short MDe/sassy? (sleepy, eyes closed) tingly daze.

thanks!
 
I read in another forum that what is going around now is a bad synth. Anyone else have this experience?
 
Transform said:
The same as normal but directly replacing 2-FMA with adderall. Be aware though that this will be quite inferior to the correctly assembled mixture.
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I'm curious as to your reasoning behind d-amp being substantially inferior to 2-FMA in this mixture; I've found the two to be very similar in their subjective effects, but I know your chemistry knowledge is greater than mine. Care to elaborate?

On another note, I procured some 2-FA to try as a replacement for the 2-FMA, which I find a little long lasting for this combination. I have yet to try the substitution because I am on a break, but I also read an anecdotal report from a link above that 2-FA is "lackluster" in this combination.

I also happened somewhat by chance on a quantity of 3-FA which on its own kind of seems like a perfect cross of 2-FMA's intensity with 2-FA's shorter duration. I'm slightly concerned about dose, since it seems to require closer to 30mg to produce light effects, but this could also be inflated due to a bit of a stim tolerance at the moment.

For this combination in general (5-MAPB + Stimulant + Tryptamine), would you recommend slightly increasing the amount of stimulant for a stim-tolerant user, or would it be better to wait until tolerance has subsided? Also, do you have any thoughts regarding 3-FA's potential in this combination? I don't have the source on hand, but I seem to recall it is unusually potent as a DRA.

As for the tryptamine component, I'm quite fond of using 4-AcO-DMT. The languid nature of the 4-AcO-DMT actually contrasts nicely with the stimulation from the other materials and sort of transforms the nystagmus into real eye-rolling ecstacy. I also find 4-AcO-DMT to provide a more brightly colorful experience at threshold/low-doses than the other tryptamines being discussed in this cocktail. 1-2mg seems to be "enough," but personally I like to push it a little closer to 5 for a slightly more psyhedelic experience. I really wonder how this compares to MDA.

Looks like this thread might be moving in a direction where a combinations sub-thread might be called for? Or is that more of a PD thing?
 
Wow...I never had any problems with 6-apb, and haven't tried this one yet. But after going through the reports in this thread I think I'll skip it.
 
MundaneDivinity said:
I'm curious as to your reasoning behind d-amp being substantially inferior to 2-FMA in this mixture; I've found the two to be very similar in their subjective effects, but I know your chemistry knowledge is greater than mine. Care to elaborate?
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I wouldn't expect it to be substantial but 2-FMA has been chosen here because of its lack of action on serotonin. I would not want amphetamine to be competing with 5-MAPB nor would I want it producing more neurotoxic metabolites than necessary. I doubt either issue would be significant but when one is trying to convince people that a mysterious mixture is better, it's got to be damn good to compete because people do not like new things.

MundaneDivinity said:
On another note, I procured some 2-FA to try as a replacement for the 2-FMA, which I find a little long lasting for this combination. I have yet to try the substitution because I am on a break, but I also read an anecdotal report from a link above that 2-FA is "lackluster" in this combination.

I also happened somewhat by chance on a quantity of 3-FA which on its own kind of seems like a perfect cross of 2-FMA's intensity with 2-FA's shorter duration. I'm slightly concerned about dose, since it seems to require closer to 30mg to produce light effects, but this could also be inflated due to a bit of a stim tolerance at the moment.

For this combination in general (5-MAPB + Stimulant + Tryptamine), would you recommend slightly increasing the amount of stimulant for a stim-tolerant user, or would it be better to wait until tolerance has subsided? Also, do you have any thoughts regarding 3-FA's potential in this combination? I don't have the source on hand, but I seem to recall it is unusually potent as a DRA.
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It is always better to wait for tolerance to subside. Tolerance leads to uneven effect profiles from new drugs and even from the drug one is tolerant to, which reduces preldictability and almost always increases side-effects. IMHO, tolerance is the body's way of saying that one is using too often. Avoiding tolerance is an excellent way to avoid the infamous and supposedly numerous negative effects of drug use.

Of course realistically just increasing the stimulant dose slightly is likely to be acceptably safe and enjoyable.
MundaneDivinity said:
As for the tryptamine component, I'm quite fond of using 4-AcO-DMT. The languid nature of the 4-AcO-DMT actually contrasts nicely with the stimulation from the other materials and sort of transforms the nystagmus into real eye-rolling ecstacy. I also find 4-AcO-DMT to provide a more brightly colorful experience at threshold/low-doses than the other tryptamines being discussed in this cocktail. 1-2mg seems to be "enough," but personally I like to push it a little closer to 5 for a slightly more psyhedelic experience. I really wonder how this compares to MDA.
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I would expect 4-AcO-DMT to be just fine in this combination and very pleasant indeed for those who enjoy it. Your dosage sounds ideal.

MundaneDivinity said:
Looks like this thread might be moving in a direction where a combinations sub-thread might be called for? Or is that more of a PD thing?
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IMHO 5-MAPB is all about combinations. On its own it does not stand out but in the right combination it is a gem. In light of that I do not think there is any point having a separate thread for combos.
 
Thank you for your quick and insightful response Transform. ;)

I completely agree that while 5-MAPB is nice on its own, it definitely leaves something to be desired. I also agree that the missing component from the experience leads to pushing the envelope with higher doses. In my initial trials of 5-MAPB by itself I found that even in the 100-150mg it wasn't quite there. I am most grateful for your posts regarding this combination as it truly seems to bring forth the magic.

Taken infrequently, in reasonable doses, with just a little help from the right friends, 5-MAPB definitely seems like something to be cherished.
 
Does anyone have any ideas on how this would compare to 5-MAPDB? I assume they'd be quite similar but I haven't seen anything on MAPDB anywhere yet i have access.
 
The dihydro (APDB) compunds tend to be more selective serotonin releasers, so MAPB would be more stimulating.
 
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