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transformer said:
I actually have in my head that a dose is 20mg but wiki lists 15mg as a high “common” dose (I’ve not tried it). If it is 20, then I would go for 100:25:1.4.
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10-30 is the typical range, covering weak (but clearly above threshold) to strong effects for most people. A lot of bluelighters push higher than thirty, but I wouldn't suggest such in combination with an entactogen.

ebola
 
We just started a discussion in PD about dosing of the trypts. I have a hypothesis that the numbers should be given in mg/kg not just mg for better accuracy.

We don't have enough reports to confirm/deny, but an erowid report states the same and 0,45mg/kg (number from the erowid report) would have put me at 50mg which is about what I wish I had taken.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/716002-Are-we-dosing-tryptamines-wrong
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/716038-Tryptamine-doses-effects-and-bodyweight-relationships
 
the only data I found was for 5 and 6 apb and apdb

of course that doesn't mean a study couldn't be floating around somwhere

and tbh I think the question is a stimulant required or not depends a lot more on personal preferences and what you intend to to

a night of partying vs hanging out with friends for example

i mean some people prefer pure mdma and some prefer the pills with some amphetamine too
 
and tbh I think the question is a stimulant required or not depends a lot more on personal preferences and what you intend to to
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Some dopaminergic (and possibly noradrenergic) release seems necessary for proper entactogenesis, as a comparison between MDAI, MBDB, and MDMA demonstrates.

ebola
 
Transform said:
I have supervised 30 people taking this drug now, mixed with 2-FMA and (4-HO-MET or 5-MeO-MiPT) and sometimes 2C-B. The ratio is 100:25:0.7 5-MAPB:2-FMA:5MeO-MiPT.
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guy i know tried this combo (100mg 5-MABP, 30mg 2-fma, a few mg 5-meo-mipt) + 300ug lsz and said it was awesome
 
I'm glad to see lots of people are flipping benzofurans with 4-HO-MET, it's a fantastic combination.

How is 5-MAPB with 6-APB? Does it offer anything over 5-MAPB by itself or the usual 6-APB+5-APB combo?
 
I'm plan on trying various benzofuran combos, but due to the number of both the benzofurans (6 not counting the eapbs which don't interest me), number of psys to test with (lsz/lsd, al-lad, 4-ho-met, perhaps another trypt, some of the 2cs (would love 2c-e if i can get my hands on some ondansetron for the nausea) and the fact that you can't use serotonin releasers too often..... well it's going to take time.

Never tried that dombo, so idk, you could :)
 
RUSHDAFUNK said:
Its interesting reading the comparisons to 5-mapb and 6-apb. I seem to be in the minority that prefer 6-apb over 5-mapb. The 5-mapb just doesn't get me to the place 6-apb does and it has a worse hangover.

I have tried both 5-mapb + 4-aco-dmt & on a different occasion 6-apb +4-aco-dmt. The apb + 4-aco was very euphoric and intense in a good way. the mapb + 4-aco seemed to work against each other and it gave me an empty feeling. Hard to describe.
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Benzofurans + psychedelics with mostly selectivity for 5HT2a seem to work against each other, given benzofurans tend to have 5HT2a affinity and are taken in 50x the amount of the psychedelics. Feels like the benzofurans knock some of the psychedelic off the receptor, yet have a weaker agonist effect. This is what I felt when combining 5-APB and LSD. I would imagine the same would be valid for 5-MAPB + a tryptamine. Perhaps the additional 5HT1a activity is why people enjoy combining psychedelics with benzofurans.
 
There's no way that this physiological explanation would work unless the APBs bind with high affinity at 5ht2a but are only very weak agonists. SAR doesn't suggest this.

ebola
 
I can guarantee that 5-mapb + tryptamines/lysergamides is a wonderful combination that combines the good effects from both. And bad trips are practically impossible due to the 5-mapb.
 
could anyone tell me what i'm missing by JUST taking 5-mapb? what does the other stuff provide?
 
Thou said:
Great substance.

I just went through a gram in over a week, mixing it with micrdoses of 3meopcp, piracetam, phenylpiracetam, kratom and centrophenoxine. Beautiful empathogen no negative side effects to speak of. Taken in doses of 80-110mg provided impressive sessions with no harsh comedowns like MDMA just a gentle drift into new day commensurate with wonders one should treasure. Felt very clean and helped to work through longstanding deep-seated repression that had been buried for years and years. Rectal administration proved to be superior to oral.

Great potential for therapeutic sessions, I'd postulate synergism with tryptamines would be out of this world.
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could you elaborate what you mean by microdoses? i take phenylpiracetam too if you could give me insight into mixing them that would be greatly appreciated... i'm extremely wary of mixing substances and always have been...
 
Yes , water is your friend lol. I got some new photons and the past couple mapb sessions have really worked up a good sweat...
 
lsdiamonds said:
could anyone tell me what i'm missing by JUST taking 5-mapb? what does the other stuff provide?
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Strong benzofurans lack dopamine and norepinephrine, and this doesn't just mean that they lacks energy. It seems release of these form a key part of the empathogen experience, and if they are lacking then people just take really high doses to compensate.

MDAI is a great proof of concept here – it has no NE or DA release and as a result it’s really disappointing on its own. With 2-FMA (for example), it is an absolute winner.

MDMA doesn't have this problem because it has DA and NE release which means one needs to dose less to achieve the desired effects. It does have neurotoxic metabolites though, so it has a bad comedown for different reasons.
 
lsdiamonds said:
could anyone tell me what i'm missing by JUST taking 5-mapb? what does the other stuff provide?
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Subjectively you need to try both and see for your self which do you like more.

Scientificaly read Transforms post or this tl;dr version:
MDMA - serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine release at a certain ratio + 5hta1 activation
5-mapb - serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine release at a different ratio with more emphasis on serotonin
the combo - serotonin/dopamine/norephinephrine release at a ratio closer to mdma (thanks to the 2-fma) + 5hta1 activation thanks to the tryptamine
 
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