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Looking at all the 'I get lots of side effects' vs 'I get no side effects' and 'no comedown for me' vs 'very bad comedown for me' reports is anyone else intrigued by the big differences in individual responses to the whole (M/E)AP(D)B-5/6 family?
 
Could be, who knows, not like there are much studies about them :) But then it's not like MDMA doesn't have shitty batches too...
 
phatass said:
@ colt: thanks, so its bassically the same mechanism of action as MDMA... any ideas of MDMA esque RC's that won't interfere with SSRI's?
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None, i advise you to stick to dopaminey type drugs. I love decent dopamine releasing stuff
 
phatass said:
@ colt: thanks, so its bassically the same mechanism of action as MDMA... any ideas of MDMA esque RC's that won't interfere with SSRI's?
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5-meo-mipt

It's a tryptamine analogue that doesn't get psychedelic until 20+ mg, and is described by many to be MDMA-like at 4-10 mg.

Don't expect it to be identical--to me it's very subjectively different from 5-mapb--but I do greatly enjoy it. It gives you a very intense body-high, and a general sense of well-being/euphoria. It's said to be an incredible sex-enhancer as well. Also, there's no comedown to speak of.

It's an agonist at serotonin receptors, rather than a serotonin releaser. So it won't interfere with your SSRI medication. However, you might need to increase your dosage somewhat to get an effect (I believe the rule-of-thumb I've heard is 1.5 times the normal dosage for psychedelics on an SSRI, however your individual mileage might vary).

Just make sure you start on the low end. There seems to be some variation in how sensitive people are to it, and it can get pretty uncomfortable if you dose too high (or so I hear... I've dosed up to ~40mg over the course of one night, and I wasn't particularly uncomfortable. However, the vaso-constriction from this dosage lasted well into the next day. It didn't even get significantly psychedelic for me--just a very intense body-high. However, I suspect this is not the norm--and I likely developed significant tolerance from redosing it and 4-aco-met from ~6pm Saturday evening to Sunday morning.The good thing is, it's active dosage is quite low compared to most tryptamines, and it's not very pricey.

Personally, I would strongly recommend this substance to you. Take care while measuring it, of course. But it has no comedown to speak of, feels -very- pleasant and somewhat MDMA like (though less overtly empathetic than 5-mapb, however the body-high/urge to dance/pleasure in tactile sensation are much stronger than 5-mapb--it would be a great substance to dance on). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be significant risk of losing the magic or long-term neurotoxicity compared to serotonin releasers. And it shouldn't interact significantly with your SSRI.

I actually have something of a love-affair with this substance. It was mentioned above, but combining this substance with 5-mapb and a stimulant feels incredible. I also enjoy combining this substance with other tryptamines or with DOC--something roughly comparable to a candyflip, and it adds euphoria, a body high, and intense pleasure in touching things to the visual and mental changes induced by other hallucinogens.

Anyways, good luck to you. I hope this helps.
 
I have read some discussions in BL about MDMA + SSRI and I remember some people saying it is not dangerous, you would just have a less intense roll. I think the same would apply to 5-MAPB, no?
Anyway... I know someone who takes a high dose (30mg lexapro - escitalopram) of SSRI daily, and has already taken MDMA, 5-APB and 5-MAPB with no bad reactions to speak of. Also, the effects didn't seem to be diminished. However I don't know for certain, because I only know this because of her description of the effects, she wasnt disappointed at all.

Also, recently I had a second trial with this substance and, just like the first one, not very late after I started feeling the effects (2h max), I felt some slight waves of unpleasantness, and slowly started to come down. There are some factors that could have caused this:
- I was very physically tired from playing soccer the whole day
- I didn't sleep more than 3h in the day before (I took 1/4 tab of LSZ)
- The dose was low (60mg)
- My first experience with it was just 2 weeks ago

What do you guys think could be the cause. Any (or all) of the factors above? The other people who were rolling with me didn't seem to experience this.
Also, I have taken 5-APB (90mg) before and didn't feel any comedown at all.
I found 5-MAPB very enjoyable, but I suffered from the comedown.
 
The lack of sleep/being tired could be one reason, only 2 weeks between doses could be the other (strong serotonin releasers really shouldn't be taken that often even if some people can get away with it and even if current speculation is that 5-MAPB is less toxic than MDMA because it lacks it's toxic metabolites) ... or both combined. The only thing I seriously doubt would be the cause is taking a lower dose than before.
 
I've experienced 5mapb at doses up to 800 - 1000mg in 24 hours. I once blew through a G in one afternoon, pure too! Worst side effects were some Tuesday blues but that's it, nothing bad to speak of, ten times better than shit rolls or stamped "molly".

Ordering more soon, but wondering if it'd be a bad idea to dose 250mg intranasally followed by some iv'ed Heroin a good 6 or 7 hours after my final dose? I'm a 2 sometimes 3 times a week user nowadays, bad idea? My mind tells me not to mix but if I'm on the comedown would it still be a bad idea? Any experiences?
 
I would say that you have been very lucky. The evidence we have from other users suggests that your proposal is a very bad idea.
 
Yeah, knew it would be bad, not gonna do it. Just a thought. Any experiences with an mdma type compound and an opiate? I'm thinking on the comedown it'd be great but definitely a dangerous combo.
 
I don't think it would be especially dangerous if sensible doses were taken but I have seen many anecdotal reports over the years of oxycodone dulling the MDMA experience. I couldn't say why but it might be a general opiates thing.
 
J.Wallace, I have used IV heroin on the comedown of MDMA and 6-APB, and I greatly enjoyed it. As transformer said, the heroin will take a lot away from the experience so it's best to use on the tail end. Also, I would take it easy with the amount and frequency that you are using this.

Personally, I was surprised to find that I was not that impressed with 5-MAPB. 75-150mg doses on separate occasions did not bring as much euphoria as I was hoping (compared to 6-APB or MDMA), just an intense body high and a lot of sweating. However, I did find 5-MAPB useful when combined with 6-APB and/or MDMA, as it intensified the entire experience (euphoria included). I'm not sure if this is because they are supposed to be interact more with DAT than 5-MAPB, which has more affinity for SERT. Although I'm sure their pharmacodynamics are vastly more complex than their Ki values, and that personal preference also plays a large part.

This brings me to my question. Recently, I have seen 6-MAPB offered from several different vendors but I have yet to find any recent threads with comparisons to other serotonin releasing agents. Does 6-MAPB follow the same trend as 6-APB vs 5-APB, that is having more affinity for dopamine vs. serotonin, respectively?
 
i've tried both and found 6-MAPB to be very similar to 5-MAPB. The difference between them is (at least for me) much less than the difference between 5 and 6 apb.

Did you try the 5-mapb combo that's often recommended here?
 
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