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Max Power said:
What happens to an invisible forum that requires approval to join? The influx of new users stagnates.
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I've been using internet forums for years, and most of the sites I use for content come from places I've been lurking in without any posts. I do think that some threads/users in The Lounge provide content for hundreds of users that aren't affiliated with BL's harm-reduction focus. That's what the focus forums are for. Bodybuilding.com has their own agenda, but also sprouted numerous internet memes that originated from their sub-social forums. Keeping The Lounge available to the public is a favor to those who use it for everything that makes internet culture what it is. The natural order of internet forums dynamically changes over time as the ebb and flow of users brings new content and newer ways of thinking. Restriction of free access to The Lounge is bullshit to those who benefit the most from it; i'm looking for convincing responses to why this was implemented with present examples of why this will benefit Bluelight and it's users, and not a prophesying of what will happen in the future for the good of all bluelighters.
 
tnw,

the idea is not to have 0 censorship, but less censorship and more room for moderators to use their discretion based on context and everything else that comes along with using language that may look volatile to an outside viewer. that doesn't mean faggot is allowed, or nigger, or any of that. it just means that context and those responsible for moderating the lounge have a huge hand in how things play out. as an extra bonus, if someone is being a problem in just the lounge, they can be unsubscribed. most of the time moderators know those who are being too pushy and those who aren't, but are sometimes accused of double standards because context is completely dismissed.

your other queries, especially the excessive chatter in the game thread and the picture threads definitely need to be looked into and i will raise this issue in the lounge modthread once we get these technical problems out of the way.
 
baooozs said:
if you look at the top 20-30 lounge posters 90%+ of those names have always been familiar.

it's about finding a solution that suits everybody.
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Yes the lounge does have a small group of core contributors (like most subforums, a large percent of content comes from a minority of users, most of the focus forums have a few users who answer all the n00b questions). Any that core group is obscured by the fact that many regular users have alts.

secondly.... why was there no consultation with the users of the lounge? why don't "the people in charge" give a shit about a solution that suits the community?
 
Then why have a subscription? It sounds like the best solution is forum based bans. You cause trouble in CE&P? You can't post there, too immature for SLR, ban them. Closing out our members because you need to protect them is exactly the same shit that Dictators say to justify their meddling in people's affairs.

We are fucking adults (well we should be, any one underage should be told to leave, that would be HR) and none of us need complete strangers cutting us off "for our own good"

Can't any of you wankers see the hypocrisy in fighting for the freedom to use drugs as and when you like then telling people they can't join the lounge?
 
blue_phlame makes a good point about lurkers -- i know of several people who really, really enjoy the lounge but never post in it. this sort of kills that aspect for them.

and baooozs, i do see how this change would help the lounge staff to have more autonomy over what happens in their own subforum. in many ways, this change benefits CURRENT loungers. however, it really hurts the future of The Lounge. but this is just a reiterated point -- i'm pretty sure you've understood that point when others have made it earlier in this thread.

also, one of the complaints people have had about the lounge is that the lounge is very clique-y. this change makes the lounge more clique-y than every before.... and that is no good imo.
 
neversickanymore said:
How does an open lounge benefit maps?

How does it benefit the rest of BL?

How does a well thought out and developed lounge hurt the lounge?
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How does a closed lounge benefit maps? Does BL shitting on BL people make them like MAPS?

There are numerous people that have spoken about the personal benefit to their lives in this thread. Are you just going to ignore them all?

This plan was not well thought out, and was not well implemented.
 
harmacologist said:
neversickanymore and bazooozs seem to be the principal defenders of this change. yet neither are Lounge Mods.

lol
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i'm a lounge senior moderator. and i don't engage those who are incapable of civil discourse. if we were in the lounge, i would have no problem ripping you a new one ;)
 
What if we are using the word like this.

I carried a couple faggots out to the road, it's brush collection day in Pleasantville.

I always feel the need to light up a faggot after a few drinks.

Sometimes in school, people would call me a faggot and it hurt my feelings.


I think maybe you're trying to ban a contextual thing? But how is that possible? I've rarely used the word faggot to describe a homosexual, i generally think of it as defining someone who is an asshole. "He's a faggot and sucks". That's not say he is gay and sucks dick, but by sucks i mean that he sucks as in stinks. But that's not to say they smell bad. It's not a gay person that smells bad. Stinks as in, rotten or no good, not that they have spoiled but that they're just unpleasant.

Can we really let emotions lead us to irrational solutions?
 
baooozs said:
i'm a lounge senior moderator. and i don't engage those who are incapable of civil discourse. if we were in the lounge, i would have no problem ripping you a new one ;)
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So what exactly contribution did you have to this change? And if you are a lounge mod, why didn't you ever do anything to contribute to the lounge before just fucking it.

I am entirely capable of civil discourse, just as I am capable of taking BL off the internet.

Oh you could rip me one in the lounge, im so afraid.

Refute my arguments then.
 
thenightwatch said:
i mostly agree with all this, and it is a good point. The Lounge helped me deal with my suicidal tendencies better than The Dark Side ever would have.
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I'm backing this claim up myself with the years of community babel i've read in The Lounge, if it wasn't for what I shared in there many of my opinions would have fallen on deaf ears in any other forum of the same caliber.
 
baooozs said:
i'm a lounge senior moderator. and i don't engage those who are incapable of civil discourse. if we were in the lounge, i would have no problem ripping you a new one ;)
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And the fact that no one in the Lounge knows this only highlights how little you contribute. Being a teacher in the school yard doesn't make you one of the cool kids
 
angeleyes said:
Helldump2015 m8 get with the times ayyy lmao


Oh yeah nooooo fucking shit; guess this is The Lounge 2015!!


With a new edgy look aye lol
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Perhaps you could sticky a thread in New Member introductions inviting every noob to apply?

Is there still going to be a 50 post limit? Seems pretty useless if you can be chucked in and out on a moderators whim.
 
Crashing said:
What if we are using the word like this.

I carried a couple faggots out to the road, it's brush collection day in Pleasantville.

I always feel the need to light up a faggot after a few drinks.

Sometimes in school, people would call me a faggot and it hurt my feelings.


I think maybe you're trying to ban a contextual thing? But how is that possible? I've rarely used the word faggot to describe a homosexual, i generally think of it as defining someone who is an asshole. "He's a faggot and sucks". That's not say he is gay and sucks dick, but by sucks i mean that he sucks as in stinks. But that's not to say they smell bad. It's not a gay person that smells bad. Stinks as in, rotten or no good, not that they have spoiled but that they're just unpleasant.

Can we really let emotions lead us to irrational solutions?
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A major positive point presented was to give moderators full control over circumstances.

This threads an great exploration..
 
Blue_Phlame said:
I'm backing this claim up myself with the years of community babel i've read in The Lounge, if it wasn't for what I shared in there many of my opinions would have fallen on deaf ears in any other forum of the same caliber.
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shut up. the lounge makes people murders and rapists. anyone that posts on the lounge regularly probably has raped a 6 year old this week.
 
xstayfadedx said:
Don't start trying to throw in this shit as your reasoning. Also one of my majors is psychology... I don't need some noob posting wikipedia links to me to explain a subject that I already know about... also wikipedia is horrible.
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Lol. I've heard statistics that women are overpowering the major currently.

Anyway I'm just responding to what you said over in the "Support" forum about investors' moral standpoints.
 
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thenightwatch said:
blue_phlame makes a good point about lurkers -- i know of several people who really, really enjoy the lounge but never post in it. this sort of kills that aspect for them.

and baooozs, i do see how this change would help the lounge staff to have more autonomy over what happens in their own subforum. in many ways, this change benefits CURRENT loungers. however, it really hurts the future of The Lounge. but this is just a reiterated point -- i'm pretty sure you've understood that point when others have made it earlier in this thread.

also, one of the complaints people have had about the lounge is that the lounge is very clique-y. this change makes the lounge more clique-y than every before.... and that is no good imo.
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the lounge is a big comedy club. i think it will always be clique-y. a certain style of comedy either suits you, or it doesn't. i think it always be this way. this is why we don't all agree on which comedy shows are funny.

as for the future of the lounge, that's really yet to be seen but i don't think it will be that harmful. i'd predict that the majority of those who participate in the lounge currently joined bluelight for a reason other than that. i for one, didn't really pay attention to the lounge. then i started overseeing it and because i had to read many of the threads, i began to find it enjoyable for my own reasons. it's very unusual for someone to join bluelight strictly to lurk the lounge and stay that way. i maybe wrong. i look at the roster of people that are active in the lounge daily and like i said, it's almost always the same people.

also, because it's private you never know. it might bring about a certain aura of people wanting to join the cool kids table. it can have the opposite effect but i don't predict that to be the case. like i said to max, we'll also raise this amongst staff and try to find a way to make people aware of our exclusive comedy club. we should really revisit this to see if traffic drops in say, 1,2,3 months time and then make an assessment on whether or not we need to seriously start considering finding ways to boost traffic.

stayfaded, the lounge doesn't bring much traffic to the site. it could have easily been scrapped along time ago and i don't think it would have made much of a difference. everyone is trying to find a solution on staff. if you take a sample from staff and compare it to a sample of overall bluelight members vs a sample of human beings irl you'd find that opinions differ in all cases. some will be strongly for, some will be strongly against, some will think this, some will think that. one thing that isn't happening, is getting rid of the lounge or neglecting it and letting it die a slow death. whether you believe that or not is up to you.
 
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