Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[pbuilder]

Going to burn the red vein thai sample i got, 1 teaspoon this time. Hopefully wont get sick again..that was awful.

Mix it with orange juice in some kinda shaker cup. Oj masks the taste and texture great.

Most ppl giving advice about kratom dosing were previous opiate users so they have a tolerance that an opiate naive person doesn't and underestimate the power of kratom.

 

[when I dream]

I was thinking about starting a new thread about this, but I wanted to share a recent experience that demonstrates the commonly underestimated power of kratom.

First a really quick background; the last time I used an opioid other than kratom (at least until this experience) was November of 2010. I had a moderately high level opioid addiction then, using about 1/4-1/2 gram of ECP daily, although the whole addiction from beginning to end was only about 2 years (started with oxy, moved to opana and then to heroin). I lost my only connect to an arrest, and even though he wasn't jailed somehow, he refused to sell to me because he thought I ratted him out (I didn't). I decided to use heavy drinking to help me through my cold-turkey withdrawal, and although it was obviously still hellish, the alcohol did help a lot. I will say that from when I first started drinking, I almost never got hangovers, no matter how much I drank so unless that applies to you as well I wouldn't recommend it as I'm sure withdrawaling and being hungover at the same time would be unbearable.

Anyways, as you can probably guess, that led me into nearly a four year alcohol addiction which ended promptly in January 2014 when I discovered kratom. Opiates will always be my DOC and the alcohol ended up just being a placeholder in between my first opioid addiction and my kratom addiction. Currently have been using about 20-30 grams of mostly Bali kratom daily.

Well, as it happens, Monday this week I acquired 8 oxy IR 15s for free. Against my better judgement, and after over 5 years of being clean from "hard" opioids I decided that I wanted to feel that way again. However, since I have only been using kratom, I really didn't know where my tolerance was in regards to painkillers. I started with one 15mg, and when it became clear that that wasn't nearly enough, I took 2 more about 45 minutes later. Got a nice feeling after that, but it wasn't even close to how high I had expected 45 mg to get me. Yesterday I decided to take the remaining 5 all in one dose (75mg). Felt very nice, but to be honest, I had truly hoped that that dose would have gotten me into nod territory. Wasn't even close though.

Now, you could make the argument that I still have tolerance from my first run of opioid addiction. I don't think this is the case however, as when I first began using kratom, 1-2 grams was all it took to get me as high as I wanted. If I had had a leftover tolerance, I doubt that small of a dose would have produced enjoyable effects.

To be honest, I am quite astounded as to my level of tolerance from using nothing but kratom (no extracts just plain leaf). 75mg of oxy certainly isn't a huge dose, but even back during my first addiction 75mg would have at least got me a semi-satisfying high. I have a new respect for the potency of kratom now, and I am seriously considering tapering down and quitting even though kratom has dramatically improved my quality of life compared to a year and a half ago. Up until yesterday I really didn't think kratom withdrawal would be too bad, especially since I have experienced heroin withdrawal, but now I'm not so sure.

Sorry for the long post, but hopefully my experience will help people make a more informed choice as to whether they want to begin/continue using kratom. Thanks for reading guys.

 

[iDab420]

Ah I would kill for some kratom its not really popular down here in wisconsin. Haven't heard much about it sadly.

 

[Doldrugs]

It's not hard to find if you have an Internet connection.

 

[Mycophile]

Do you guys find that benzos like Klonopin actually potentiate Kratom?

Like, not just psychologically speaking, but do they actually scientifically speaking potentiate Kratom's effects?

And what about something like Valerian root?

It's a GABA-ergic isn't it?

Does that potentiate Kratom?

 

[Mycophile]

Do all of you guys feel that redosing Kratom doesn't work or at least that later Kratom highs throughout the day aren't as good as the first one?

Because for me redosing Kratom DOES work even though I've heard some people say it doesn't for them, but for me it just prolongs it and keeps my high steady throughout the day but in general the first high of the day tends to be the best.

I'd like to figure out though what it is about those first few hours of the Kratom high that makes it better than the later ones though because then maybe I can figure out how to make the high later in the day as good as the first one.

 

[Bagseed]

redosing definately works, but I feel that the first dose is always the most euphoric. if I eat too much in a short period of time, I even become rather dysphoric and too sedated, so I try to keep it to no more than two doses over an evening.

 

[Mycophile]

redosing definately works, but I feel that the first dose is always the most euphoric. if I eat too much in a short period of time, I even become rather dysphoric and too sedated, so I try to keep it to no more than two doses over an evening.

"An evening"?

You don't find it interferes with your sleep if you dose close to bedtime?

I find my last dose has to wear off like at least 5 hours before bedtime or I can't fall asleep.

I don't understand how anyone is able to fall asleep easily on Kratom.

It keeps me wide awake.

 

[pinpoint]

I'd like to figure out though what it is about those first few hours of the Kratom high that makes it better than the later ones though because then maybe I can figure out how to make the high later in the day as good as the first one.

Your receptors are less saturated after a longer period of abstinence (e.g. over night). It's pretty much that simple.

 

[Doldrugs]

Some kratom is sedating.

 

[Bagseed]

"An evening"?

You don't find it interferes with your sleep if you dose close to bedtime?

I find my last dose has to wear off like at least 5 hours before bedtime or I can't fall asleep.

I don't understand how anyone is able to fall asleep easily on Kratom.

It keeps me wide awake.

maybe this is also depending on strains, but I don't know... yeah I can sleep on it, but if I take too much, it's anything but a deep sleep. but this also goes for any other opioid I've tried. on Dihydrocodeine I actually find it harder to fall asleep than on Kratom. "waking up" in the middle of the night realizing that I didn't really sleep but only daydreamt... I miss that stuff

 

[Mycophile]

Your receptors are less saturated after a longer period of abstinence (e.g. over night). It's pretty much that simple.

Thanks.

I guess that is probably why with weed the first bowl of the day is always the best.

 

[Hammilton]

Ah I would kill for some kratom its not really popular down here in wisconsin. Haven't heard much about it sadly.

That's probably because it's Schedule I in Wisconsin now, also why the comment after yours about easy access with an internet connection is probably not true, good luck finding a vendor to send an order to WI.

 

[when I dream]

Your receptors are less saturated after a longer period of abstinence (e.g. over night). It's pretty much that simple.

I have to believe that the sleep itself helps to clear your receptors as well. I can abstain for 8-9 hours overnight and I'll get a bigger feeling than if I abstained for 12 hours but was awake the whole time. Maybe it's just me though.

 

[fallzdown]

Kratom is Schedule I in WI? Wow. I had no idea.
I've been using Kratom for 2 years. Roughly the exact same amount of time I've been sober from alcohol. Funny how that happens (not "haha" funny). I've used it daily in that time and have tried many, many stains from many, many vendors. The very first time I used it was 5g from a headshop and I swear it felt like 5mg of Percocet (which was a GREAT feeling way back then). So I kept using it. Got addicted. Tried to quit numerous times but the WD, at least for me, is absolutely unbearable.
SO, I've spent the past 3 nights reading the Lope Mega Thread hoping that will help.

I've had a script for K-pins for many years and have never found that it potentiates Kratom. Grapefruit Juice also never worked for me, or maybe it has but I didn't notice because of how often I take it and with varying doses.

Kratom is fantastic for opiate withdrawals and if you're opiate naive, it's a lot of fun by itself. But a daily habit can sneak up on you and it's hell to quit. Not surprised to hear about WI, but it's rather sad. I've known many H addicted acquaintances able to trade the needle for the tea and become much healthier, more productive people. Wish the medical community was more aware of how helpful the plant can.

 

[deruyityn]

Total opposite for me and Im usually the most sensitive person for drugs not letting me sleep.

Then again I take alot less than you from what ive read you take 7+ grams? I never go above 4 grams as I find it just makes me feel bad.

I can sleep even right after taking it. I took it once before going to a club and was home in a couple of hours and went to sleep normally. It has only helped me sleep. Usually it takes me 3+ hours to sleep but on krat Im asleep within an hour which is unheard of for me.

"An evening"?

You don't find it interferes with your sleep if you dose close to bedtime?

I find my last dose has to wear off like at least 5 hours before bedtime or I can't fall asleep.

I don't understand how anyone is able to fall asleep easily on Kratom.

It keeps me wide awake.

 

[Mycophile]

Can anyone confirm whether or not it is true that Kratom is 17 times stronger than Morphine??

Someone else claimed it was the case but I find that very hard to believe seeing as Morphine is a MUCH stronger pain killer than Kratom and though I've never indulged in it myself from what I have been told a strong dose of Morphine blows plain leaf Kratom out of the water in terms of Opiate euphoria, making this claim harder for me to believe.

Thanks.

 

[banana king 84]

That's probably because it's Schedule I in Wisconsin now, also why the comment after yours about easy access with an internet connection is probably not true, good luck finding a vendor to send an order to WI.

Yeah, it's been banned in 4 states, IN, TN, and Vermont are the others. In fact one of the early sellers of kratom, an ethnobotanical site, moved from Madison, WI to Illinois just for that reason.

 

[when I dream]

Can anyone confirm whether or not it is true that Kratom is 17 times stronger than Morphine??

Someone else claimed it was the case but I find that very hard to believe seeing as Morphine is a MUCH stronger pain killer than Kratom and though I've never indulged in it myself from what I have been told a strong dose of Morphine blows plain leaf Kratom out of the water in terms of Opiate euphoria, making this claim harder for me to believe.

Thanks.

I believe it is the 7-hydroxymitragynine that is 17x the potency of morphine. Since it is present in kratom is such small amounts though, even a large dose probably doesn't get you very much, hence why plain leaf doesn't seem nearly as potent as morphine.

 

[furryfreek]

I was thinking about starting a new thread about this, but I wanted to share a recent experience that demonstrates the commonly underestimated power of kratom.

First a really quick background; the last time I used an opioid other than kratom (at least until this experience) was November of 2010. I had a moderately high level opioid addiction then, using about 1/4-1/2 gram of ECP daily, although the whole addiction from beginning to end was only about 2 years (started with oxy, moved to opana and then to heroin). I lost my only connect to an arrest, and even though he wasn't jailed somehow, he refused to sell to me because he thought I ratted him out (I didn't). I decided to use heavy drinking to help me through my cold-turkey withdrawal, and although it was obviously still hellish, the alcohol did help a lot. I will say that from when I first started drinking, I almost never got hangovers, no matter how much I drank so unless that applies to you as well I wouldn't recommend it as I'm sure withdrawaling and being hungover at the same time would be unbearable.

Anyways, as you can probably guess, that led me into nearly a four year alcohol addiction which ended promptly in January 2014 when I discovered kratom. Opiates will always be my DOC and the alcohol ended up just being a placeholder in between my first opioid addiction and my kratom addiction. Currently have been using about 20-30 grams of mostly Bali kratom daily.

Well, as it happens, Monday this week I acquired 8 oxy IR 15s for free. Against my better judgement, and after over 5 years of being clean from "hard" opioids I decided that I wanted to feel that way again. However, since I have only been using kratom, I really didn't know where my tolerance was in regards to painkillers. I started with one 15mg, and when it became clear that that wasn't nearly enough, I took 2 more about 45 minutes later. Got a nice feeling after that, but it wasn't even close to how high I had expected 45 mg to get me. Yesterday I decided to take the remaining 5 all in one dose (75mg). Felt very nice, but to be honest, I had truly hoped that that dose would have gotten me into nod territory. Wasn't even close though.

Now, you could make the argument that I still have tolerance from my first run of opioid addiction. I don't think this is the case however, as when I first began using kratom, 1-2 grams was all it took to get me as high as I wanted. If I had had a leftover tolerance, I doubt that small of a dose would have produced enjoyable effects.

To be honest, I am quite astounded as to my level of tolerance from using nothing but kratom (no extracts just plain leaf). 75mg of oxy certainly isn't a huge dose, but even back during my first addiction 75mg would have at least got me a semi-satisfying high. I have a new respect for the potency of kratom now, and I am seriously considering tapering down and quitting even though kratom has dramatically improved my quality of life compared to a year and a half ago. Up until yesterday I really didn't think kratom withdrawal would be too bad, especially since I have experienced heroin withdrawal, but now I'm not so sure.

Sorry for the long post, but hopefully my experience will help people make a more informed choice as to whether they want to begin/continue using kratom. Thanks for reading guys.

I worked up to a similar dose of ~24g per day over about six months (more like 12 if you include the prior period irregular use before I got hooked) until I eventually decided to cold turkey. It was quite grim for a few days, but with a week off work and a few* benzos it wasn't too bad. I felt pretty strung out the first day but not that bad (think I took 1mg of etizolam that evening). The next two days were mostly spent curled up in bed shivering and feeling sorry for myself (2mg etizolam both days; one at around 3pm and another at about 8pm). I was still feeling shit for a week or so following that, but I was able to go out and do stuff (think I managed to sting another 2.5mg of etizolam out over the rest of the week - oh and a co-codamol [5mg codeine?] was taken at some point) and it continued to linger slightly for another two or three weeks.

* Seriously, you don't want to trade a kratom habit for and addiction to benzo's, though they are far less toxic than alcohol which, for the sake of avoiding relapse, might be worth avoiding in your case, JC. The amount of etizolam I took during my CT is the absolute upper limit of what I would feel comfortable with taking in such a short space of time and only if followed by at least two or three weeks with no benzos at all. This is coming from someone with an above average level of self-discipline (sure, everyone likes to think that, but I do have a decent track record - my brief kratom and ongoing tobacco addictions being my only major drug-related cock-up's to date) so those of a more compulsive disposition would be advised to set their limits lower still in such circumstances..