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Does anyone know of a resource (perhaps another thread I haven't found on here yet) regarding Kratom UEI and how it compares to regular Bali? As in dosage comparisons...if one took 20 (600 mg capsules, how may UEI would one take to feel similar effects)
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cnu said:
Does anyone know of a resource (perhaps another thread I haven't found on here yet) regarding Kratom UEI and how it compares to regular Bali? As in dosage comparisons...if one took 20 (600 mg capsules, how may UEI would one take to feel similar effects)
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Info on UEI can be found all over the web.

Kratom & UEI are apples/oranges.. the only similarity I've found is that they are agonists at opioid receptors. It's recommended that you start with 1 gram of UEI to gauge response and DO NOT underestimate the power of that stuff. I remember I did and I regretted it.. ended up nodding out hardcore in a very inappropriate place.
 
pinpoint said:
Info on UEI can be found all over the web.

Kratom & UEI are apples/oranges.. the only similarity I've found is that they are agonists at opioid receptors. It's recommended that you start with 1 gram of UEI to gauge response and DO NOT underestimate the power of that stuff. I remember I did and I regretted it.. ended up nodding out hardcore in a very inappropriate place.
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That's really the ONLY similarity you felt?

You know a lot more than me cause I've only done UEI twice but plain leaf many times, and while I thought they felt quite different they still felt related, just as if UEI were a MUCH stronger version of a type of Kratom.
 
So I think I'm gonna order some stuff from a reputable clearnet vendor.

This stuff is called "Mayan Kratom Plus" and it's available in powdered leaf and capsule form. Does anybody have any experience with these? Are the capsules stronger than the leaf? What would be a good dose to give an opiate naive person?

Many thanks :)
 
I B Profane said:
So I think I'm gonna order some stuff from a reputable clearnet vendor.

This stuff is called "Mayan Kratom Plus" and it's available in powdered leaf and capsule form. Does anybody have any experience with these? Are the capsules stronger than the leaf? What would be a good dose to give an opiate naive person?

Many thanks :)
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Hey Profane, not sure for you. I take a teaspoon or 1.5 teaspoons in a small amount of water (less fluid less questionable taste ;)
 
Mycophile said:
That's really the ONLY similarity you felt?

You know a lot more than me cause I've only done UEI twice but plain leaf many times, and while I thought they felt quite different they still felt related, just as if UEI were a MUCH stronger version of a type of Kratom.
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Really, UEI is that strong huh? Maybe I oughta keep some around for extra pain relief at work or something?
 
CfZrx said:
Really, UEI is that strong huh? Maybe I oughta keep some around for extra pain relief at work or something?
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Well, it's a fair amount stronger.

Maybe a capital "MUCH" is an exaggeration, but it's hard to say since I only did UEI twice and when I did it I did most of the bag in a single night so I was FUCKED UP haha.

It's stronger, but was also over priced where I got it (I won't source)...so maybe not as strong as I'd thought for the price...but yes, stronger generally since generally most extracts are stronger than plain leaf.
 
Ok, thanks :) I have about a 7 teaspoon a day habit, so i'm very addicted to kratom. Mostly red vein maeng da or white vein for day and bali at night :) Bali I get is hella sleepy, and very euphoric IMO.
 
If you're already addicted, don't get into extracts like UEI. They'll just catapult your tolerance and make your habit a lot more expensive.
 
I just ordered 1 oz of premium bali powder. After researching this stuff for the last two weeks i figured i would give it a try. I have bpd with intense anxiety sometimes. I have been 100% clean of all psych meds and recreational for two years. Opiods were never my thing anyways. So im honestly just trying this to ease the anxiety with out having to go back to psych meds. So anyways..how much should i start with? After scouringforums and threads i can not find a good amount to start with...since im not using this to wd from anything. Any info on bali and anxiety as well as general dosage would be awesome!!
 
OneBlueMelody said:
I just ordered 1 oz of premium bali powder. After researching this stuff for the last two weeks i figured i would give it a try. I have bpd with intense anxiety sometimes. I have been 100% clean of all psych meds and recreational for two years. Opiods were never my thing anyways. So im honestly just trying this to ease the anxiety with out having to go back to psych meds. So anyways..how much should i start with? After scouringforums and threads i can not find a good amount to start with...since im not using this to wd from anything. Any info on bali and anxiety as well as general dosage would be awesome!!
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In my opinion a good dose to start with would probably be about 5 grams so the best thing to do is weigh it out if you have a digital scale.

However, I'm going to assume you might not have one, in which case 2 1/2 teaspoons is probably a good estimation of what might be 5 grams as I find a teaspoon to be about 2 grams on average.

If it's a little more or less it won't matter so I'd say that's a good starting dose.

I have GAD and some mild depression and I feel that it works very well for both.

Bali is usually a bit more sedating and a bit less stimulating than some other strains as it is a red strain and reds are more sedating while whites are the most stimulating and greens in the middle.

In my personal opinion Bali is probably a little better for anxiety than Green and White veins because it slows your thoughts down a bit more, but I find greens and whites to also be great for anxiety but they are more stimulating so they speed up your thoughts more and I think maybe if you are having a manic period it would probably be better to use a more sedating vein like a red because I doubt you'd need to be sped up any more but that's just a guess.

On the other hand, if you are in a really depressed and tired state I think the more stimluating veins like Green and White might help more, but really all veins can do all those things.

As long as you don't overdo it and use it in moderation I think you could find quite a bit of benefit for your bipolar from Kratom but I'd recommend not to use it more than 3 days a week because you could get addicted.

Good luck
 
Thank you so very much for your reply! You are right, i do not have a scale. So i will follow the teaspoon dosage you suggested. Also..i am not bipolar. Im a quite borderline as they would say. Borderline personality disorder. My thoughts consistently cycle..other than when i sleep. Things that happened 3 years ago send me into an all day anxiety ordeal. I am done with psych meds..if i took accordingly, i would be on 5 pills a day. Some days are better than others. But the last month or so i literally feel like im going to stroke out because of this stupid anxiety. I dont want to deal with doctors anymore..those drugs are no bueno. I am t ruely hoping this is something that can help me function. I plan on burning 2x per week, i certainly do not want anything else taking over my life. I want to use kratom in the way to benifit my disorder. I know its possible..i just dont want it to control me. Another question would be the proper way to burn. I will attempt parachuting as i feel that will be the easiest for me. But would love a good tea recipie that gets all the benefits. Any more insight you have as a fellow anxiety sufferer would be very much appreciated! Thanks again!
 
I would recommend using tosh n wash. Works way better then parachuting/tea for me :)
But be careful. If you use Kratom for anxiety, it is even more likely to get hooked on it then using it recreationally, I guess.
Good luck fellow!
 
So i had my first experience with kratom last night and need some advice. I knew wanted to try it last evening so my last meal was at noon ysterday and i drank alot of water all day. So at 9 pm i tested out what was called primo bali. I used 2 tsp toss and wash method. About 45 min later i had a seating feeling..kinda what i would call a not so happy mellow feeling. I was just kinda blah. My normal back pain dissapeared. Wich pain relief is not what im going for. Im going for ananxiety stress rrelief happy mellow mood. What i felt last night was just sedated and blah. So after about 1 1/2 hrs i puked. Whatever feelings i did have went away. So...was two tsp too much? Bad batch? Should i have not gone that long with out eating? Woke up this morn feeling groggy blah and just a bit quesy Any advice would be awesome, thanks :-)
 
Bali is a sedating and mellow strain so it's normal how you were feeling. I think you timed your meal out correctly because IME having an empty stomach is always better. Everyone is different so you have to experiment with different strains and just be careful and patient and see how it goes. The most important aspect is finding a reputable and honest source. I would stay away from head shops unless it's an emergency( you ran out or the mail is late etc.) Head shops are usually way overpriced and some brands they carry are strange and can have a bunch of unnatural ingredients. So if you want just get some different strains and keep track of the quantity of your doses and see how your mind/body reacts to each one. Just research the different colors and strains and be cautious about strains that have a whole bunch of extra words in the title trying to make it sound exciting. If you are looking for vendors look for ones that have contact information available as well as a return policy. I wouldn't buy from anyone that doesn't have a return policy or a guarantee to rectify a situation if you are unsatisfied. Hope that helps and if you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask, there are many informative people on here. Be careful and have fun!
 
Ive heard that getting sick is a side effect of taking too big of dose. So would you reccomend i i lower the dose? Maybe 1 tsp instead of two? Thanks for your reply!
 
OneBlueMelody said:
So i had my first experience with kratom last night and need some advice. I knew wanted to try it last evening so my last meal was at noon ysterday and i drank alot of water all day. So at 9 pm i tested out what was called primo bali. I used 2 tsp toss and wash method. About 45 min later i had a seating feeling..kinda what i would call a not so happy mellow feeling. I was just kinda blah. My normal back pain dissapeared. Wich pain relief is not what im going for. Im going for ananxiety stress rrelief happy mellow mood. What i felt last night was just sedated and blah. So after about 1 1/2 hrs i puked. Whatever feelings i did have went away. So...was two tsp too much? Bad batch? Should i have not gone that long with out eating? Woke up this morn feeling groggy blah and just a bit quesy Any advice would be awesome, thanks :-)
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Definitely an overdose. What you tolerance to opiates? A heaping teaspoon is like 4 grams and 8 grams for a beginner is nuts! 7 grams these days gives me a pretty solid slightly nauseating high and I hopped into kratom from high dose loperamide, fentanyl and heroin a few months ago aka quite a large habit.

So if recommend only 3-4 grams for a beginner, aka a single teaspoon. Also, maybe try half a gravol with it to reduce nausea.
 
Yes I would start off slow and be patient. You can always take more but if you over do it you are stuck and have to ride out the misery. I have been there. Whenever you start just give it plenty of time to judge how you feel. If you go 60-75-90 minutes that should be more than enough time.
 
I have no tolerance to opiates. Ive only taking them after past surgeries. Lol i know i was looking at it like...omg how am i ever going to get this down lol. I was told by a few diff people to start with 2 tsp. And that there was 2 grams per leveled teaspoon. Im thinking it was def too much. Thanks for your reply! Also the toss and wash was pretty damn awful. Lol can anyone reccomend a good tea recipie? Thanks!
 
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