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Opioids Kratom Mega Thread V.4

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I would recommend using tosh n wash. Works way better then parachuting/tea for me :)
But be careful. If you use Kratom for anxiety, it is even more likely to get hooked on it then using it recreationally, I guess.
Good luck fellow!
 
So i had my first experience with kratom last night and need some advice. I knew wanted to try it last evening so my last meal was at noon ysterday and i drank alot of water all day. So at 9 pm i tested out what was called primo bali. I used 2 tsp toss and wash method. About 45 min later i had a seating feeling..kinda what i would call a not so happy mellow feeling. I was just kinda blah. My normal back pain dissapeared. Wich pain relief is not what im going for. Im going for ananxiety stress rrelief happy mellow mood. What i felt last night was just sedated and blah. So after about 1 1/2 hrs i puked. Whatever feelings i did have went away. So...was two tsp too much? Bad batch? Should i have not gone that long with out eating? Woke up this morn feeling groggy blah and just a bit quesy Any advice would be awesome, thanks :)
 
Bali is a sedating and mellow strain so it's normal how you were feeling. I think you timed your meal out correctly because IME having an empty stomach is always better. Everyone is different so you have to experiment with different strains and just be careful and patient and see how it goes. The most important aspect is finding a reputable and honest source. I would stay away from head shops unless it's an emergency( you ran out or the mail is late etc.) Head shops are usually way overpriced and some brands they carry are strange and can have a bunch of unnatural ingredients. So if you want just get some different strains and keep track of the quantity of your doses and see how your mind/body reacts to each one. Just research the different colors and strains and be cautious about strains that have a whole bunch of extra words in the title trying to make it sound exciting. If you are looking for vendors look for ones that have contact information available as well as a return policy. I wouldn't buy from anyone that doesn't have a return policy or a guarantee to rectify a situation if you are unsatisfied. Hope that helps and if you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask, there are many informative people on here. Be careful and have fun!
 
Ive heard that getting sick is a side effect of taking too big of dose. So would you reccomend i i lower the dose? Maybe 1 tsp instead of two? Thanks for your reply!
 
OneBlueMelody said:
So i had my first experience with kratom last night and need some advice. I knew wanted to try it last evening so my last meal was at noon ysterday and i drank alot of water all day. So at 9 pm i tested out what was called primo bali. I used 2 tsp toss and wash method. About 45 min later i had a seating feeling..kinda what i would call a not so happy mellow feeling. I was just kinda blah. My normal back pain dissapeared. Wich pain relief is not what im going for. Im going for ananxiety stress rrelief happy mellow mood. What i felt last night was just sedated and blah. So after about 1 1/2 hrs i puked. Whatever feelings i did have went away. So...was two tsp too much? Bad batch? Should i have not gone that long with out eating? Woke up this morn feeling groggy blah and just a bit quesy Any advice would be awesome, thanks :)
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Definitely an overdose. What you tolerance to opiates? A heaping teaspoon is like 4 grams and 8 grams for a beginner is nuts! 7 grams these days gives me a pretty solid slightly nauseating high and I hopped into kratom from high dose loperamide, fentanyl and heroin a few months ago aka quite a large habit.

So if recommend only 3-4 grams for a beginner, aka a single teaspoon. Also, maybe try half a gravol with it to reduce nausea.
 
Yes I would start off slow and be patient. You can always take more but if you over do it you are stuck and have to ride out the misery. I have been there. Whenever you start just give it plenty of time to judge how you feel. If you go 60-75-90 minutes that should be more than enough time.
 
I have no tolerance to opiates. Ive only taking them after past surgeries. Lol i know i was looking at it like...omg how am i ever going to get this down lol. I was told by a few diff people to start with 2 tsp. And that there was 2 grams per leveled teaspoon. Im thinking it was def too much. Thanks for your reply! Also the toss and wash was pretty damn awful. Lol can anyone reccomend a good tea recipie? Thanks!
 
Going to burn the red vein thai sample i got, 1 teaspoon this time. Hopefully wont get sick again..that was awful.
 
OneBlueMelody said:
Going to burn the red vein thai sample i got, 1 teaspoon this time. Hopefully wont get sick again..that was awful.
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Mix it with orange juice in some kinda shaker cup. Oj masks the taste and texture great.

Most ppl giving advice about kratom dosing were previous opiate users so they have a tolerance that an opiate naive person doesn't and underestimate the power of kratom.
 
I was thinking about starting a new thread about this, but I wanted to share a recent experience that demonstrates the commonly underestimated power of kratom.

First a really quick background; the last time I used an opioid other than kratom (at least until this experience) was November of 2010. I had a moderately high level opioid addiction then, using about 1/4-1/2 gram of ECP daily, although the whole addiction from beginning to end was only about 2 years (started with oxy, moved to opana and then to heroin). I lost my only connect to an arrest, and even though he wasn't jailed somehow, he refused to sell to me because he thought I ratted him out (I didn't). I decided to use heavy drinking to help me through my cold-turkey withdrawal, and although it was obviously still hellish, the alcohol did help a lot. I will say that from when I first started drinking, I almost never got hangovers, no matter how much I drank so unless that applies to you as well I wouldn't recommend it as I'm sure withdrawaling and being hungover at the same time would be unbearable.

Anyways, as you can probably guess, that led me into nearly a four year alcohol addiction which ended promptly in January 2014 when I discovered kratom. Opiates will always be my DOC and the alcohol ended up just being a placeholder in between my first opioid addiction and my kratom addiction. Currently have been using about 20-30 grams of mostly Bali kratom daily.

Well, as it happens, Monday this week I acquired 8 oxy IR 15s for free. Against my better judgement, and after over 5 years of being clean from "hard" opioids I decided that I wanted to feel that way again. However, since I have only been using kratom, I really didn't know where my tolerance was in regards to painkillers. I started with one 15mg, and when it became clear that that wasn't nearly enough, I took 2 more about 45 minutes later. Got a nice feeling after that, but it wasn't even close to how high I had expected 45 mg to get me. Yesterday I decided to take the remaining 5 all in one dose (75mg). Felt very nice, but to be honest, I had truly hoped that that dose would have gotten me into nod territory. Wasn't even close though.

Now, you could make the argument that I still have tolerance from my first run of opioid addiction. I don't think this is the case however, as when I first began using kratom, 1-2 grams was all it took to get me as high as I wanted. If I had had a leftover tolerance, I doubt that small of a dose would have produced enjoyable effects.

To be honest, I am quite astounded as to my level of tolerance from using nothing but kratom (no extracts just plain leaf). 75mg of oxy certainly isn't a huge dose, but even back during my first addiction 75mg would have at least got me a semi-satisfying high. I have a new respect for the potency of kratom now, and I am seriously considering tapering down and quitting even though kratom has dramatically improved my quality of life compared to a year and a half ago. Up until yesterday I really didn't think kratom withdrawal would be too bad, especially since I have experienced heroin withdrawal, but now I'm not so sure.

Sorry for the long post, but hopefully my experience will help people make a more informed choice as to whether they want to begin/continue using kratom. Thanks for reading guys.
 
Ah I would kill for some kratom its not really popular down here in wisconsin. Haven't heard much about it sadly.
 
Do you guys find that benzos like Klonopin actually potentiate Kratom?

Like, not just psychologically speaking, but do they actually scientifically speaking potentiate Kratom's effects?

And what about something like Valerian root?

It's a GABA-ergic isn't it?

Does that potentiate Kratom?
 
Do all of you guys feel that redosing Kratom doesn't work or at least that later Kratom highs throughout the day aren't as good as the first one?

Because for me redosing Kratom DOES work even though I've heard some people say it doesn't for them, but for me it just prolongs it and keeps my high steady throughout the day but in general the first high of the day tends to be the best.

I'd like to figure out though what it is about those first few hours of the Kratom high that makes it better than the later ones though because then maybe I can figure out how to make the high later in the day as good as the first one.
 
redosing definately works, but I feel that the first dose is always the most euphoric. if I eat too much in a short period of time, I even become rather dysphoric and too sedated, so I try to keep it to no more than two doses over an evening.
 
Bagseed said:
redosing definately works, but I feel that the first dose is always the most euphoric. if I eat too much in a short period of time, I even become rather dysphoric and too sedated, so I try to keep it to no more than two doses over an evening.
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"An evening"?

You don't find it interferes with your sleep if you dose close to bedtime?

I find my last dose has to wear off like at least 5 hours before bedtime or I can't fall asleep.

I don't understand how anyone is able to fall asleep easily on Kratom.

It keeps me wide awake.
 
Mycophile said:
I'd like to figure out though what it is about those first few hours of the Kratom high that makes it better than the later ones though because then maybe I can figure out how to make the high later in the day as good as the first one.
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Your receptors are less saturated after a longer period of abstinence (e.g. over night). It's pretty much that simple.
 
Mycophile said:
"An evening"?

You don't find it interferes with your sleep if you dose close to bedtime?

I find my last dose has to wear off like at least 5 hours before bedtime or I can't fall asleep.

I don't understand how anyone is able to fall asleep easily on Kratom.

It keeps me wide awake.
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maybe this is also depending on strains, but I don't know... yeah I can sleep on it, but if I take too much, it's anything but a deep sleep. but this also goes for any other opioid I've tried. on Dihydrocodeine I actually find it harder to fall asleep than on Kratom. "waking up" in the middle of the night realizing that I didn't really sleep but only daydreamt... I miss that stuff ;)
 
pinpoint said:
Your receptors are less saturated after a longer period of abstinence (e.g. over night). It's pretty much that simple.
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Thanks.

I guess that is probably why with weed the first bowl of the day is always the best.
 
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