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Would a good starting dose be around 3g on an empty stomach?

- Yeah, that is a good starting point.

Should I take it with any type of juice?

- OJ is recommended, because it masks the taste

How long does it usually last?

- depends on your personal metabolizm and eating habits. 5-20 hours, but I'd say ~7 hours is average.

And how many times can I take it per week to keep the tolerance low?

- I'd say 2 times. But less is preferred, as you won't start to integrate it in your everyday life and consume huge amounts in the end.

Edit : I have apologized to Hammilton. I did not intend to come across as a smartass (an asshole maybe, but not one, that brags with knowledge ;)), as I am definitely not overly knowledgable (in chemistry).

Edit2 : I think the dangers in the consumption of an opioid that has a similar potency as morphine will be similar to those accompanying morphine use. I would be surprised if, once one started using potent extracts, that it stays with once a week usage ...
 
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CaptainKratom said:
Congrats man, glad to see you finally made it to the end of the tunnel... just make sure you stay clean ;)
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sure as hell gonna try... i see how people come back to kratom.. its been a LONG time since ive dosed.. and in the early mornings especially.. but any time of day.. a random craving for kratom or relief from the aches and pains im having.. comes over me.. funny thing is... shortly after I posted in this thread I had some MAJOR cravings.. but smoked hash and chilled out... I just cant fight this withdrawal again... Hope I stay strong!
 
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Would a good starting dose be around 3g on an empty stomach?

- Yeah, that is a good starting point.

Should I take it with any type of juice?

- OJ is recommended, because it masks the taste

How long does it usually last?

- depends on your personal metabolizm and eating habits. 5-20 hours, but I'd say ~7 hours is average.

And how many times can I take it per week to keep the tolerance low?

- I'd say 2 times. But less is preferred, as you won't start to integrate it in your everyday life and consume huge amounts in the end.

Edit : I have apologized to Hammilton. I did not intend to come across as a smartass (an asshole maybe, but not one, that brags with knowledge ;)), as I am definitely not overly knowledgable (in chemistry).

Edit2 : I think the dangers in the consumption of an opioid that has a similar potency as morphine will be similar to those accompanying morphine use. I would be surprised if, once one started using potent extracts, that it stays with once a week usage ...
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Very cool thanks.

Could the effects from quality plain leaf be actually debilitating? Aka really mess you up?
 
Yes, they could if you have a special enzymatic balance or a malfunctioning liver. It would then be mainly physically and less psychologically debilitating. Although the likelihood, that 3 g will make you sick is not that high, it would be wise to make an allergy test, i.e. take 100mg, 30 minutes later 500 mg and if you do not experience problems after ~60 min, take the 3g dosage. If you are hesitating, make a tea instead (gonna need a lot of sugar/honey, though) to titrate the intake. And do not combine, unless you can estimate the outcome ;)
 
Thanks for the heads up. I was asking if it would messs me up in a good way similar to like 10-20mg of oxy from such a dose or if it's a possibility for a kratom virgin. however you answered some questions I would've asked anyways lol.
 
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The effects from ~5-8g plain leaf are more than enough to get ... desired effects... for most people if you're not a chronic opioid (ab)user.
 
Hey Captain Kratom I know you and I use the same vendor so I was curious to know if you've ever sampled the 'Gold Reserve'? I just ordered some and am curious to know equivalencies since 5 grams is a moderate dose of plain leaf for me. Of course 5 grams is the entire order so I'm guessing this is some pretty potent stuff.

Let me know. If you aren't sure just say so!
 
I don't know, I don't think simple comparisons exist. 300mg? I dunno, but 1g was probably 10g leaf.
 
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So how much plain leaf you think 5g Oxindole Enhanced Bali compares to?
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That's not a comparison that can possibly be made. OEB does not compare to any amount of leaf. It's a stimulant with a euphoric edge that makes my hands very shaky. It feels a bit like amphetamine at first, but that wears off into a general stimulation after a while. It's nice, but it lacks opioid effect, any opioid effect, actually.

It's also very potent. Where I'd need two and a half grams of UEI, half of gram OEB is plenty for me. Just a very different experience. OEB is good for taking away a kratom hangover.
 
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I don't know, I don't think simple comparisons exist. 300mg? I dunno, but 1g was probably 10g leaf.
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Yup....Gold reserve is a 1:10 ratio of 90%+ Kratom alkaloids combined with Sundanese plain leaf....

Sundanese is an absolutely stellar PL sourced by the fella who makes the real Gold Reserve...(imitations of both exist out there). Sunda is the most potent, analgesic, and sedative "strain" of plain leaf out there.....great stuff, but it loses it's magic rather quickly with consecutive use. Best used once or twice a week....very nice warm lush stuff....
 
At 10:30 east coast time I should be able to let you guys know if Gold Reserve is worth the $$.

UPDATE: It's like taking 10g in a single easy to swallow capsule.

UPDATE 2: Not worth the extra money.. I took a YOLO dose and am not impressed T + 2H in on an empty stomach.

UPDATE 3: Wow that took a long time to kick in - this stuff is really strong, but it took almost 2 hours to fully kick in. It feels like the first time I took Kratom. Would recommend as a treat once in a while because I can feel how this can be as addicting as real opiates. Feels like 60mg oxycodone.
 
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I have a tolerance of about 15g a day of kratom, I'm going to Italy for 7 days in a couple of weeks so bought a 32 pack of 12.8mg codeine/200mg ibuprofen. If I take 4 (~50g codeine) a day do you think that will stop any withdrawal? I've almost stopped benzos (on 2mg diazepam a day), it's such a pain going on holiday. Last time I ended up in severe benzo withdrawal at the end of my holiday in france...
 
Codeine has a pretty short half life, I don't know if that'll be enough or not. Is kratom banned there?
 
I'd rather not put kratom in my suitcase tbh (I don't know if it's banned though), I'll just have to hope that it's enough. I'll try to reduce my kratom dosage for a couple of weeks as well.
 
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At 10:30 east coast time I should be able to let you guys know if Gold Reserve is worth the $$.

UPDATE: It's like taking 10g in a single easy to swallow capsule.

UPDATE 2: Not worth the extra money.. I took a YOLO dose and am not impressed T + 2H in on an empty stomach.

UPDATE 3: Wow that took a long time to kick in - this stuff is really strong, but it took almost 2 hours to fully kick in. It feels like the first time I took Kratom. Would recommend as a treat once in a while because I can feel how this can be as addicting as real opiates. Feels like 60mg oxycodone.
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Wow comparable to 60mg oxy!? Even with someone like your self that has some kratom tolerance?

Incredible. How long has it been and is it wearing off fast or slowly?
 
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