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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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What I've read is that reds are more sedating. That's been GENERALLY true in my experience but you never know what you're actually getting. I've had stimulating Bali before.
 
Yup, "they" say green is more stimulating, red's more sedating (or opiate like, and best for pain) and whites in the middle.

I've had my share of kratom but usually order green , white kali or maeng da. This next time it'll be Borneo red.

PS red text is reserved for mods when they remove / edit stuff :)
 
I'm pretty new to kratom. Been using it for about a month. My "sweet spot" is 4-5 grams a day. I kind of blew it I think because I did it every day for about 2 weeks. Now, I don't feel anything from 4-5 grams, but when I try upping the dose to 7-8 grams I just feel crummy (headache and slightly nauseaus). I am a former heroin user, but not for about 3 years. I started kratom because I felt I was getting close mentally to starting heroin again and didn't want to do that. Kratom stopped me from obsessing on using heroin again, plus it helped my depression at first, but like I say it pooped out on me. I imagine this is a tolerance effect? Do I need to lay off completely for a while to get that good feeling back that I had in the beginning? How long? Should I expect any w/d symptoms?
 
Hmm. Wouldn't expect WD given your short window of use, unless the kratom stopped WD of another substance, which it sounds like is not the case. Anyway, K WDs seem to be far more manageable than opiates or benzos, they only get bad if you were a huge chronic user.

As for tolerance, it's hard for me to say, hopefully someone else can answer better. I've never had any euphoria from K, just used in opiate WD (2tsp-1T every six hours )but when I use too much I get unpleasant symptoms like weird eye tics etc.
 
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well catching euphoria was the wrong term I just used in my stream of consciousness. if you wanted to be specific i meant 'didnt catch good wellbeing' like i did on the tuesday.

I think once per week might mitigate the negative effects but more than that it seems to start bringing out the negative side effects.

I swear i just need a nice dopamine boost, cos since last night i have megadosed on l tyrosine (3-5grams) and it wipes out my snivvelling complaining immeditely. trouble with tyrosine is tolerance builds super fast so doesnt work regular from my experience.

too bad theres no wellbutrim in the uk.

Anyway i wont bother going off the tangent of this thread.
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I hate to hear that, L-Tyrosine was going to be my next suggestion. I know many people have bad experiences with anti-depressants, more than likely due to the rampant over-prescribing here in the US. But some honestly do seem to have a chemical imbalance which the right AD can help. I understand wanting to try alternatives first, but don't be afraid to try AD's. The first one you try might not the "the one", but you very well might find one that works. I would also suggest starting low and working your way up, my doc wanted me to go from taking nothing to 40mg of lexapro. I took 10mg for a week or two, and then moved up to 20mg where I started to feel better and just stayed at.


aroma borealis - That does sound like a tolerance issue, but not might be a bad thing. I got off oxys with plain leaf kratom, and like you I use to get high off of it until a tolerance built. I still use the same dosage daily (around 3 grams twice a day), and don't really get high, but it helps sooth some of the itch to use as well as seems to provide some anti-anxiety , although I suspect that is 99% psychological/ placebo

I suggest you try to go without a few days and see how you feel, maybe you are at a level know where you can be without. The only w/d I have noticed off 6 or 7 grams a day is more lucid dreams and (normal) bowel movements like clockwork each day.

If you aren't ready to give up kratom, which is ok, you can try switching strains/ vendors. I rotate between 3 or 4 vendors with my bali orders, and just the difference in each batch is enough

Also make sure to HYDRATE ya'll . The majority of kratom side effects is from the de-hydration it causes
 
Thanks for the comments. I have tried changing strains, but still no effects. Don't really want to up the daily dose, so I'll try laying off it for a few days and see what that does.
 
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Tomorrow I'll be trying FST for the first time from a known legitimate source. The one that accepts only bitcoin and dwolla if you know who I mean. Will report back.
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I tried FST, but it wasn't from your source as you said based off description. If you don't enjoy it as much, try mixng it with a small amount of plain leaf. I've found FST is pretty much a pure opiate, and the stimulating adrenergic effects disappear. I'm not sure if you enjoy the stimulating or sedating aspect of kratom, but when mixed with a small amount of plain leaf, FST can be very nice.
 
So I waited from friday till wednesday and took 4 grams yesterday.

Up from 3 grams, 4 was too much and I got anxiety but still there was a feeling of it not being a satisfying full bodied effect. So maybe there is not much more to get out of this? Note Im not looking for anyhting heavy or in your face, but I havent been able to get the same euphoria I did on the first time or two. Seems fruitless trying to go any higher since more just gives increased anxiety.

Strangely though I seemed to feel more relaxed at the end of the day when it was wearing off- I also had been for a run and that seemed to synergise well with the effects.

So currently Im not quite sure where this fits in the toolbox :P since it isnt quite a complete effect to be satisfactory on its own. I think it would be great incombo with something else but not sure what. Not interested in weed, something mild gabaish but I dont really wanna play wiht them since they are all addicitve apart from the overpriced and undelwhelming kava kava. Took some valerian with it yerterday which was ok to get rid of the anxiety a bit but not much more.

Im gonna try next time taking a dose before going out to pull chicks and see if it squashes my crippling fear of rejection. I went out later that eve when it was almost worn off and did feel a bit smoother once I was in an interaciton but it didnt give me a social push. Wondering what itll be like taking it right away before going out.
 
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Tomorrow I'll be trying FST for the first time from a known legitimate source. The one that accepts only bitcoin and dwolla if you know who I mean. Will report back.
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First off, USPS sucks! Secondly, I finally got the 3ml FST bottle. It is ssFST if you know who I mean. I wasn't sure how to dose so I took a dropper from one of my kava extract bottles and put down 10 drops just to see what will happen. I am on an empty stomach except for my morning white vein kratom dose of 5g taken approximately 1 hour ago. Will update.

T+00:10 Feeling a much greater warmth and fuzzy opiate glow, no sedation yet. Initial anxiety of trying something new is fading into a nice euphoria. Itchy too, which is always a sure sign I'm truly feeling opiate effects and not placebo.

T+01:00 Ended up downing the whole 3ml bottle. Overall I still feel like UEI > FST. Definite effects that were stronger than plain leaf, but not the pure opiate euphoria of UEI. Good news is that there is no side effects other than the itchiness.
 
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Hi all!!!! Long time user of hydro here!!!
Day 2 of not swallowing pills. I did a butt load of research before I dove off into the deep end.
Kratom is "my" cure all!!!!!!
I have very little to no WD symptoms and actually feel pretty good. Bothersome pain in lower back but just downed 2 Tylenol so the pain may be history soon.

I tried kratom as a tea but it was like drinking battery acid from a dead camels anis (I think. Have no experience with dead camels)
Found the gel tabs to be the trick.
 
I pronounce it Kra-tum.

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So I don't have anyone to share this story with that would understand the significance of it so here goes.

My vendor of choice carries plain leaf plus enhanced/extract products like UEI. Whenever I place an order I put in the 'order comments' section "I would appreciate a sample of a kratom extract for my research purposes", which generally gets me 2 free capsules of some enhanced product. This time though I got quite the surprise. Along with my normal order came much more than a sample. They put a ONE OUNCE BAG OF UEI in with my order worth $200 (!!!!).. So obviously I immediately sampled it and yep, it was indeed UEI. I was psyched because I know their stuff is legit since their UEI is sourced from the same vendor that supplies the official UEI - the one that takes alternative forms of payment only if you know who I mean.

I did email my vendor out of good faith and even sent a picture because they acted like I may be high and mistaken about what had happened. They probably shit bricks when they saw the pic (which I would upload if it didn't immediately break sourcing rules with their logo all over it) and they asked if I had opened it. Of course I said yes, and they wrote back 'you may keep it' (SCORE!).

The only downside to this windfall is my tolerance is definitely going up!
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Just saw this... Pinpoint you lucky sum'bitch! Talk about a score, I would've paid to see the look on the vendors face when he got your email =D. Was this from the vendor that starts with a P? Anyways go easy, your gonna want to soften that landing from UEI to plain leaf.
 
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I give it a hard a- kray-tom

So you guys give it like the a in bland?

Hmm maybe I'm weird. I pronounce coupon CUE- pon, and cruller CRUEL-er.
 
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