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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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banana king 84 said:
Just curious if anyone has heard about the $5 million kratom seizure in California:

www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm416318.htm
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Fuck me :X. Every time I read about heroin or cocaine seizures a very small part of me is happy that no one will be able to overdose or become dependant on said shipment but destroying 25,000 pounds of kratom is a goshdamn tragedy. And how the hell did they come up with 5 million? Buying 25,000lbs of bali at retail price would cost me no more than $275,000. At least my east coast vendor is still in stock(for now)

Fuck Da F.D.A.
 
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sekio said:
Berdo, have you considered you may have gotten sick independent of the kratom? Kratom shouldn't cause week long flu type symptoms, the half life of mitragynine & the other chemicals is rather short.
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Yes I considered that, I think i got it as well though when I took it my first time a couple of months ago cant be sure tho- not sure if I implanted that memory or not. I was thinking I might give it another try to be sure soon since like i said its the best anti depressant ive tried so I guess worth a shot if Im feeling the pinch of depression again.

But arent the flu symptoms from depleted opiod transmitters? just like how mdma you feel most like shit only once its OUT of your system hence the term suicide tuesdays.

If it did cause such symptoms again is it a bad idea to try and use antihistamines or maybe a bit of immodium to try and suppress them? It kind of defeats the object of me taking kratom cos I like it cos its 'natural' seems silly to try and supress some of the side effects with something unnatural.
 
But arent the flu symptoms from depleted opiod transmitters? just like how mdma you feel most like shit only once its OUT of your system hence the term suicide tuesdays.
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Opioids don't cause your body to "deplete opioid transmitters" - they don't cause release of endogenous opioid peptides, they actually act at the opioid receptors themselves, if anything it's a simple rebound effect, like the aftermath of a LSD/mushroom trip.
 
sekio said:
Opioids don't cause your body to "deplete opioid transmitters" - they don't cause release of endogenous opioid peptides, they actually act at the opioid receptors themselves, if anything it's a simple rebound effect, like the aftermath of a LSD/mushroom trip.
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Ok well different mechanism but still same result? :P
 
So I don't have anyone to share this story with that would understand the significance of it so here goes.

My vendor of choice carries plain leaf plus enhanced/extract products like UEI. Whenever I place an order I put in the 'order comments' section "I would appreciate a sample of a kratom extract for my research purposes", which generally gets me 2 free capsules of some enhanced product. This time though I got quite the surprise. Along with my normal order came much more than a sample. They put a ONE OUNCE BAG OF UEI in with my order worth $200 (!!!!).. So obviously I immediately sampled it and yep, it was indeed UEI. I was psyched because I know their stuff is legit since their UEI is sourced from the same vendor that supplies the official UEI - the one that takes alternative forms of payment only if you know who I mean.

I did email my vendor out of good faith and even sent a picture because they acted like I may be high and mistaken about what had happened. They probably shit bricks when they saw the pic (which I would upload if it didn't immediately break sourcing rules with their logo all over it) and they asked if I had opened it. Of course I said yes, and they wrote back 'you may keep it' (SCORE!).

The only downside to this windfall is my tolerance is definitely going up!
 
So im down to 9 grams a day... and stuck. Ive been eating xanax and drinking beers during the day.. then xanax at night........ ut still have to take 5-7 grams before bed no matter what even with xanax/beers arelier in the day.

Would switching to 10 mgs of oxy and going down like... 2 mgs every 2 days sound good... get that last bit of kratom out.. and the petty 20 mgs of oxy will come out of my body quickly... Then I can use 2-4 mgs canax a day when that runs out..... thoughts?

and How would you compare 10 gram of PREMIUM bali to oxycodone.. like 1 gram = 1 mg? (assuming its good)
 
I would probably avoid Oxy and xanax for that matter ChemicalSmiles. The last thing you need right now is to risk another addiction, especially to pharms that are even harder to W/D off then Kratom. Glad to hear you turned down the opana. Stay determined you can beat this demon!

I took some Enhanced Maeng Da and White vein indo today for the first time in 6 months. Only took about a gram or two and I feel quite sedated...is that normal? I know these are supposed to be stimulating strains.
 
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I have very limited to oxy and it takes 200 mgs to get high.. so it shouldnt be an issue for me addiciton wise.. also im hell bent on sobriety.... a person offered me an opana for half price yesterday and i turned htem done.

I got on kratom for subutex taper! and it created a demon.
 
I would have done ok with a vicoden taper.. like 10 mgs... down to none... but didnt grab them. Anyways im down to 6 grams of kratom a day! YAY! Im sorta stuck here.. my plan is an 18 pack of beer, a small bottle of hard liquor, and about 40 bars as a supply for 10 days and go c/t at 4 grams... lol thats sounds extreme doesnt it. fuck
 
I did it CT with benzos to aid the Wds .. off kratom now!
And still on benzos lol, but I been on them so long all I did was up the dosage during the kratom wds.. now working back down to my regular dose.
I concur:
Fuck You Kratom. Suck My Dick!

-HOOD
 
Well done/good luck with the tapering guys. I almost got myself into trouble with kratom the last couple of weeks. I've been been using it for a few months now and know I can get away with using it either two or three times a week or daily for a week followed by a week or two off. I've never experienced any withdrawal or significant tolerance so far by following that little rule of thumb. However, for some reason I decided to push my luck last week and continued to use it daily for a second week on the trot. Bad idea. The stuff was getting pretty moreish by the end of the week and I jacked my tolerance right up on Friday when I did ~20g over the course of the day. Now, 5g (which is normally a fairly decent dose for me) does next to nothing and I'm pretty sure I'm in mild withdrawal now (feels like I'm coming down with the flu or something, minus the snot).
 
yo, anyone use Kratom when coming off methadone? I have has the basil (pretty sure thats the name) Kratom for the past few months but never touched it because the first few times I TRIED to use it NOTHING happened, but I was always on a serious amount of dope or methadone, so the Kratom did shit.

anyway, I will be attempting to get off methadone come December; my final dosage should be around Dec 15th, so I plan to take my last dose around that date and slowly try and help make the transition from methadone to NOTHING w/ a help of Kratom. anyone try this before?

I am on 51MG methadone now and dropping about 1MG a day or so, so when I am down to 5MG of methadone I will start using Kratom to help w/ the withdrawals.

anyone do this before? any advice? I never have done Kratom and had it work; I always been a real bad dope fiend so Kratom never did a thing; I was using 1-2 grams of dope a day before I got on methadone; I was on 95MG methadone for my top dose and now down to 51MG and plan on getting off around Dec 15th and moving to Kratom for a week to fully help with withdrawals.

any advice here? I am new to Kratom, so any help is great.

I go away for 2-3 weeks to an inhouse rehab cuz my 2nd DUI, which is why I am getting OFF methadone and need to be OFF EVERYTHING before I leave on Jan 4th.
 
sekio said:
Kratom is a norepinephrine releaser because it works as an antagonist as a2a/a2c adrenergic autoreceptors, like yohimbine. This is why it's stimulating in lower doses (below where mitragynine activates the mu opioid receptor). That's probably why it keeps you awake. Drugs that are the opposite - a2a/a2c receptor agonists, are powerful sedatives and antihypertensives like clonidine.

Kratom use probably also elevates blood pressure a little. In combination with caffeine it could cause hypertension.
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There are vasodilating properties in some of the alkaloids, too. I might have to get the sphygmomanometer out and log bp for a few months.
 
Hmm this doesnt seem so good as an anti depressant after all. did antoher trial this week and 1st dose of the week worked good; good mood lift and all with little ill effects but then tried again on friday (tuesday was first) and couldnt catch hardly any euphoira dispite taking 3 grams vs 2 on tuesday, and got the flu symptoms coming back again and couldnt sleep well last night :( so it does seem pretty conclusive now its the kraom that causes these flu symptoms for me.

Once every so often isnt pretty pointless. Unless Im thinking i could find other substances to jump from one to the other to cover me through most days of the week, with maybe a couple off. but Ive run out of 'natural' stuff now so eitehr i venture into the no mans land of research chemicals or jump on the mainstram bandwagon of anti depressants or majically find the root cause of my depression and all my issues will vanish. Then agina there is ol' meditaiton and excercise which is a cure all panacea for everything as everyone says, now if only i had thought of that; how simple thanks chief im cured.

Seems Im going to have to degrade my morals now of using drugs tested on animals to try and get some releif from this brain crippling malady.
 
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Hmm this doesnt seem so good as an anti depressant after all. did antoher trial this week and 1st dose of the week worked good; good mood lift and all with little ill effects but then tried again on friday (tuesday was first) and couldnt catch hardly any euphoira dispite taking 3 grams vs 2 on tuesday, and got the flu symptoms coming back again and couldnt sleep well last night :( so it does seem pretty conclusive now its the kraom that causes these flu symptoms for me.

Once every so often isnt pretty pointless. Unless Im thinking i could find other substances to jump from one to the other to cover me through most days of the week, with maybe a couple off. but Ive run out of 'natural' stuff now so eitehr i venture into the no mans land of research chemicals or jump on the mainstram bandwagon of anti depressants or majically find the root cause of my depression and all my issues will vanish. Then agina there is ol' meditaiton and excercise which is a cure all panacea for everything as everyone says, now if only i had thought of that; how simple thanks chief im cured.

Seems Im going to have to degrade my morals now of using drugs tested on animals to try and get some releif from this brain crippling malady.
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I'm sorry for not going back and reading more of your posts, but I'm confused what you are going for. You say kratom isn't a good anti-depressant, and then said you couldn't "catch hardly any euphoria". Not being depressed doesn't necessarily mean being euphoric. If kratom makes you feel like you have flu symptoms, maybe it just isn't something that 'sets right' with you.

If you have honestly tried the natural things you seem to scoff at (meditation, exercise, diet, supplements, etc) and they really don't help, maybe you should talk to your doc about what is best. Going down the road of rc's, or even street drugs, looking for a cure for your depression is not going to end well.
 
well catching euphoria was the wrong term I just used in my stream of consciousness. if you wanted to be specific i meant 'didnt catch good wellbeing' like i did on the tuesday.

I think once per week might mitigate the negative effects but more than that it seems to start bringing out the negative side effects.

I swear i just need a nice dopamine boost, cos since last night i have megadosed on l tyrosine (3-5grams) and it wipes out my snivvelling complaining immeditely. trouble with tyrosine is tolerance builds super fast so doesnt work regular from my experience.

too bad theres no wellbutrim in the uk.

Anyway i wont bother going off the tangent of this thread.
 
Had anyone her ever tried smoking kratom?

I put a small amount (probably 50mg) on some weed in my pipe and tried it. It tasted pretty gross but not terrible and I definitely felt different than my usual weed high. I'm not recommending it, just wonder if anyone else has tried.
 
Hello everyone.
So I am thinking about ordering Kratom. I used it once 4-5 years ago and don't remember at what dose or what variety. But i remember that generally I liked it.
My vendor offers next:
-Malay green (n/a right now),
-Borneo red,
-Sumatra white,
-Sumatra red,
-Riau red (n/a),
-Riau green,
-Thai red (n/a),
-Mix.
What would be the best? Do you hear anything about of them or your vendors offers completely different varieties? AFAIK "Red" sorts are more potent (common rule), right?
I have no tolerance to opiods and don't drink coffee for half a year (I prefer green tea) so I think I wouldn't be disappointed even from "White" variety. But should I even try when I can get "Red"?
 
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