Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[FlawedByDesign]

I would take high quality bali over hydrocodone anyday. 5-6 grams of bali is more effective at killing pain than say 50mgs of hydrocodone ime. The fact that it takes months or even a year of responsible use before there is the slightest rise in my tolerance is just icing on the kratom cake%)

 

[burn out]

I can't believe I like kratom more than heroin. OMG all those years and all that money wasted chasing dope when I could have simply used kratom instead. I feel like such a fool. Usually when I shoot heroin, I feel high for half an hour, then I am already coming down. With kratom however, I stay high for hours. Also on heroin, I am lazy and umotivated, dont really want to do much and I cant even do quiet things like read because I keep nodding off. With kratom, I can be totally wasted on kratom and still focus on a book. Also, kratom enhances music whereas on dope I am too emotionally numb to care about music. Kratom is just so good.

 

[Turk@GG]

Just wanted to stop by and show some love for the incredible, edible, Kratom!!!

What an amazing plant that hopefully doesnt get put under regulation by the government!

 

[Mycophile]

I can't believe I like kratom more than heroin. OMG all those years and all that money wasted chasing dope when I could have simply used kratom instead. I feel like such a fool. Usually when I shoot heroin, I feel high for half an hour, then I am already coming down. With kratom however, I stay high for hours. Also on heroin, I am lazy and umotivated, dont really want to do much and I cant even do quiet things like read because I keep nodding off. With kratom, I can be totally wasted on kratom and still focus on a book. Also, kratom enhances music whereas on dope I am too emotionally numb to care about music. Kratom is just so good.

Man, I've only done Kratom 3 times so far but I find this really shocking because I've never done heroin (and never will) and I've always heard people refer to heroin as the greatest feeling EVER.

So far, I have mixed feelings about Kratom because I can't seem to get the dosage right but it seems FAR from amazing though AT TIMES it is quite pleasant and relaxing or energizing.

Sometimes it has me groggy to an extent that I wish i was more awake despite my looking for an energizing high, sometimes too speedy when I was looking for a sedating high, when I get it right it can give me nice energy or a nice relaxing feeling but it's never some overwhelming high where everything seems wonderful like Oxycodone was for me or even hydrocodone (I can't really tell the difference between Oxy and hydro to be honest).

I don't know if I just haven't figured out the right dosage yet, but hearing someone experienced with heroin say they prefer Kratom blows my mind.

There's been nothing mind blowingly orgasmic about it so far and I hear that's what heroin is like.

I just don't get it.

I hope I DO somehow figure out how to get my dosage right on Kratom cause I would like to experience a little more of the euphoria you guys are talking about.

So far I haven't felt "wasted on Kratom", as you say it, just mildly pleasant.

 

[silentcowboy]

Heroin feels better, gets you higher, but in the long run kratom is more useful to maintain on and less of a recreational drug (no IV rush, or amazing euphoria). All of the negative effects heroin addiction has, makes kratom all around more of a functional substance

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Sometimes it has me groggy to an extent that I wish i was more awake despite my looking for an energizing high, sometimes too speedy when I was looking for a sedating high, when I get it right it can give me nice energy or a nice relaxing feeling but it's never some overwhelming high where everything seems wonderful like Oxycodone was for me or even hydrocodone (I can't really tell the difference between Oxy and hydro to be honest).
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The versatility of kratom(bali in particular) blows my mind. If I take 5-6 grams of bali before bed I sleep like a baby until I wake up in slight w/ds the next morning. If I'm not ready to wake up I take 4 grams and pass out for another couple of hours. Once I am up and awake I take 5 grams before and during work. For me these day time doses of bali are much more energizing than any white or green strain and they are not nearly as short lived. Its an euphoric energy akin to oxycodone. Bali does it all! If I'm abnormally tired I take my afternoon bali with some energy drinks or coffee, the synergy is wonderful. People refer to me as SuperMan at work because I'm always running around doing everyones job for them thanks to my bali.

EDIT: You should try to stop comparing kratom to other pain meds and learn to love it for what it is

 

[Mycophile]

The versatility of kratom(bali in particular) blows my mind. If I take 5-6 grams of bali before bed I sleep like a baby until I wake up in slight w/ds the next morning. If I'm not ready to wake up I take 4 grams and pass out for another couple of hours. Once I am up and awake I take 5 grams before and during work. For me these day time doses of bali are much more energizing than any white or green strain and they are not nearly as short lived. Its an euphoric energy akin to oxycodone. Bali does it all! If I'm abnormally tired I take my afternoon bali with some energy drinks or coffee, the synergy is wonderful. People refer to me as SuperMan at work because I'm always running around doing everyones job for them thanks to my bali.

EDIT: You should try to stop comparing kratom to other pain meds and learn to love it for what it is

Yeah, I do like Kratom but I'm just brand new to it and still trying to figure out the best dosage and strains for me.

So far I have used Green Malay during the day and Bali at night because I heard that Malay is the stimulating one.

I think I might like Bali more so far but it's hard to say cause I have such little experience.

So you would actually suggest taking Bali during the day for energy despite it usually being seen as a sedating vein??

Maybe next time I'll try that, or I could mix the Green Malay and Bali.

So far it's just weird because every time I try to get one effect I get something different, I try for a sedating effect and I get energized, I try for energized and I'm too sedated.

I'm not sure if my Klonopin and the fact that I drink a lot of coffee are also playing big roles in the energized/sedating effects which they might be.

I keep playing around with different dosages of the 2 strains to figure out what's right for me, but it's so unpredictable.

So far though I have had some nice moments on both strains, I just cant' seem to figure out how to predict how I will feel.

Any suggestions on that?

Wait...so you are saying that at night...5 grams of Bali puts you to sleep, but during the day it gives you all the energy in the world??!

How can the same dosage of the same vein give you completely opposite effects?!

This is why Kratom is so confusing for me so far.

I just want to be able to know how I will feel before I take it but so far it's unpredictable.

 

[Cuzie]

Tried some Bali for the first time last weekend. It was more soothing than maeng da, but I felt like it had more of the opiate side effects that I dislike at the same doses (itchiness, queasiness). No problem, however. Just ate less the next time and it was all good.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

So you would actually suggest taking Bali during the day for energy despite it usually being seen as a sedating vein??

Doing this has worked very well for me over the last two years. Like I said above, if I take bali before bed or first thing in the morning it knocks me out but if I wake up, move around and have a cup of coffee it gives me loads of energy. Way more energy than meang da or any of the white or green strains. The ladder strains cause a jittery, wobbly eyed, sort of imatation stimulation. While they are euphoric to a point, the negative effects
completely outweigh the positives, not to mention that they are very short lived. While bali motivates me in a more effective/natural way leaving me enthusiastic over every little mundane task at work. Sorry for being so repetitive, I guess you can refer to me as Bluelight's Resident Bali FanBoi

 

[Mycophile]

Doing this has worked very well for me over the last two years. Like I said above, if I take bali before bed or first thing in the morning it knocks me out but if I wake up, move around and have a cup of coffee it gives me loads of energy. Way more energy than meang da or any of the white or green strains. The ladder strains cause a jittery, wobbly eyed, sort of imatation stimulation. While they are euphoric to a point, the negative effects
completely outweigh the positives, not to mention that they are very short lived. Sorry for being so repetitive, I guess you can refer to me as Bluelight's Resident Bali FanBoi

Hmm, I might have to try some Bali during the day or maybe mix it with Green Malay.

It's MAINLY been while taking Green Malay that I haven't been able to get the effects I want or predicted, sometimes too stimulated and sometimes too tired...but I hadn't thought it had to do with strain...maybe it doesn't.

I know I'm not the only one though who says Kratom can be unpredictable cause I'd heard others saying that it always had different effects on them even if it was the same vein and the same dosage from the same vendor.

I don't know how I can be sure of how it will make me feel, regardless of dose.

 

[RDP89]

Yeah, I do like Kratom but I'm just brand new to it and still trying to figure out the best dosage and strains for me.

So far I have used Green Malay during the day and Bali at night because I heard that Malay is the stimulating one.

I think I might like Bali more so far but it's hard to say cause I have such little experience.

So you would actually suggest taking Bali during the day for energy despite it usually being seen as a sedating vein??

Maybe next time I'll try that, or I could mix the Green Malay and Bali.

So far it's just weird because every time I try to get one effect I get something different, I try for a sedating effect and I get energized, I try for energized and I'm too sedated.

I'm not sure if my Klonopin and the fact that I drink a lot of coffee are also playing big roles in the energized/sedating effects which they might be.

I keep playing around with different dosages of the 2 strains to figure out what's right for me, but it's so unpredictable.

So far though I have had some nice moments on both strains, I just cant' seem to figure out how to predict how I will feel.

Any suggestions on that?

Wait...so you are saying that at night...5 grams of Bali puts you to sleep, but during the day it gives you all the energy in the world??!

How can the same dosage of the same vein give you completely opposite effects?!

This is why Kratom is so confusing for me so far.


I just want to be able to know how I will feel before I take it but so far it's unpredictable.

When I first ordered Kratom 2 and a half years ago I got Bali and Green Vein Borneo. I stuck with GVB because it felt better and stronger. I loved it so much I started getting full spectrum isolate(extract) and got bad addicted taking it from wake til sleep. That said it was way easier to kick than stronger opioids/actual opiates. Been through pretty much every strain/country of origin since then and all I order now is maeng da. Cuz it's the best. Only notice slight difference in effects mostly it's just potency.

 

[Mycophile]

^^^^

Is the Maeng Da you use a White Vein?

For now I have Bali, Green Malay and Green Vein Borneo, so I won't be getting any more for quite some time but maybe I'll try Maeng Da at some point.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Hmm, I might have to try some Bali during the day or maybe mix it with Green Malay.

I don't know how I can be sure of how it will make me feel, regardless of dose.

See after taking bali every day for years, strains like Green Malay do nothing more than keep me out of withdrawal, which leads me to believe that bali is more potent than most other strains(this of course depends on your source and may vary greatly) I get free samples with each pound that I put away so I have something to fall back on. Back on topic:Try taking 3-4gs of bali midday during or before work, mabey wash it down with a coffee or energy drink. Then report back to either tell me how right I was or bitch at me for ruining your day. Only time will tell......lol

 

[Mycophile]

^^^^

Haha, I might just do that.

 

[burn out]

Man, I've only done Kratom 3 times so far but I find this really shocking because I've never done heroin (and never will) and I've always heard people refer to heroin as the greatest feeling EVER.

So far, I have mixed feelings about Kratom because I can't seem to get the dosage right but it seems FAR from amazing though AT TIMES it is quite pleasant and relaxing or energizing.

Sometimes it has me groggy to an extent that I wish i was more awake despite my looking for an energizing high, sometimes too speedy when I was looking for a sedating high, when I get it right it can give me nice energy or a nice relaxing feeling but it's never some overwhelming high where everything seems wonderful like Oxycodone was for me or even hydrocodone (I can't really tell the difference between Oxy and hydro to be honest).

I don't know if I just haven't figured out the right dosage yet, but hearing someone experienced with heroin say they prefer Kratom blows my mind.

There's been nothing mind blowingly orgasmic about it so far and I hear that's what heroin is like.

I just don't get it.

I hope I DO somehow figure out how to get my dosage right on Kratom cause I would like to experience a little more of the euphoria you guys are talking about.

So far I haven't felt "wasted on Kratom", as you say it, just mildly pleasant.

Keep in mind I am speaking in an overall sense, I am not necessarily saying that kratom feels better than IV heroin. An IV heroin rush is one of the greatest feelings, but it only lasts about 30 seconds. Once you have been using opiates daily for months/years they lose that "greatest feeling ever" aspect and basically become pretty mundane. Like I was saying, when I have a habit my normal dose of heroin only really gets me high for about half an hour and after that I just feel normal, so I suffer all the negative aspects of being a heroin addict in exchange for a very short period of feeling euphoric every day. It's a very bad deal. Kratom is a much better deal because for some reason, tolerance doesn't seem as much of an issue, I can get a nice long lasting buzz from kratom even when using it daily and it gives me energy instead of making feel lazy and irritable like heroin. Also, the longer I used heroin for the less satisfying I started to find it. Basically half an hour after I shoot heroin, I am already craving another shot. I can't ever get enough and I can never make it last. I will buy enough heroin to last three days and I will do it all that night not even leaving any for the morning, then I wake up in withdrawal and it is a withdrawal FAR worse than kratom has.

Also, with long term use heroin does not work very well for my chronic pain issues. It seems that it just makes me euphoric and sleepy but not necessarily pain free, at least not for very long. Kratom actually helps with my pain for a longer period per dose. Kratom also has a cool psychedelic aspect for me that heroin lacks. As someone who loves the psychedelic experience but can't be bothered to take psychedelics anymore and deal with the come down, this is a major plus.

 

[Beavesmx44]

^^^^^ Yep. Kratom and cannabis give me some weird/cool lucid dreams. Marijuana alone and I usually don't remember having any dreams period.

 

[burn out]

Kratom plus cannabis is heaven on earth for me. Those are the two greatest drugs in the world in my opinion and really the only drugs I do anymore, aside from drinking a couple beers now and then.

ANyway, I wanted to ask about eye wobbles. You see I used to buy my kratom from this website which has really good prices when you buy in bulk but I can't take more than 6 or 7 grams of their kratom without getting insane eye wobbles which sucks and makes me feel dizzy and nauseous. I found a store downtown where I live which sells kratom and at a decent price, only problem is there is no price break for bulk no matter how much you buy. But, there kratom never gives me eye wobbles no matter how much i take. Its the cleanest kratom Ive ever done, I can literally take 20 grams and get totally wasted without any eye wobbles or nausea. So now I am stuck paying high prices for their kratom. I want to know if anyone else has had this problem and what kind(s) of kratom caused it and what kinds did not?

 

[Beavesmx44]

^^^^ I only got eye wobbles when I was new to kratom and 5g would make me puke/overdose. Never happens anymore but my doses are conservative and not pushing the limits of my current tolerance. I never really feel "messed up" on kratom anymore though. Just a smooth functional/motivational substance. Sometimes less is more with this substance so maybe knock it down by a gram and see if all the good is still there minus the sides.

 

[burn out]

If I take less I get almost the same high but shorter duration. I like the long duration, which is why I push the dose. And when I am wasted on kratom, it is a very functional wasted, nothing like alcohol with super high doses of kratom its like I am totally wasted but can still function fine.

 

[tunesey]

I have tried Kratom a few times and my fave is the red strains my vendor has some Bali on sale but it looks whte in colour I thought that Bali were red strains I dont like the stim Kratoms and want the best red vein leaf money can buy what do you guys reccomend