Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Snake_Eyes]

You may be able to eat sooner after taking it without it affecting the high, that's just how long I wait. I'm a 5'9 male and weight 135lbs and one could argue that I have an eating disorder, it may sound strange but if I'm not high I can't eat. I'm eating for the first time right now since about midnight last night and it's now 10:30pm.

 

[Mycophile]

Realistically, as long as you wait about an hour after a meal you should be fine. The idea is you want to let your stomach empty so there's no food diluting the kratom. Four hours is probably excessive. Eating something light along with your kratom can be a good idea if you're prone to stomach upset.



It's heavily dose dependent. For small doses I would say the effects maybe last 3 or 4 hours. Larger doses will obviously last longer because you consume proportionally more alkaloid. (twice as much will roughly double duration) 8-12 grams of kratom is good for about 6-8 hours, easily. But that's a fuckload for most people. The pharmacokinetics are kind of all over the map, you might find 2 grams stimulating but 6 grams rather sedating.



That's a good plan. It's going to vary a lot between people between kratom works on two receptor systems rather than just one... alpha adrenergic as well as mu opioid. The ratio of effects is going to vary just because everyone's gonna have a different set of receptors with different densities.

Thanks.

I think it will be easier to tell next time what my tolerance is by only using toss n' wash, though I'll be measuring by tea spoons and not grams since I don't have a scale.

I'd find it hard to believe that without being an opiate user I could somehow naturally have such a high tolerance, but perhaps it differs for different people.

Might just have been hard to tell the first time as I've often found 1st times taking any substance can for one reason or another be "atypical" as you are trying to figure out how your body reacts to something and also the fact that I'd had a lot to eat shortly before dosing could have effected it.

But I think I was still on some of it when I tried to sleep and it did take about 8 hours to sleep after my last dose so your guess on 6-8 hours sounds about right.

I guess I'll take it earlier next time.

 

[sekio]

If you're expecting effects that slap you in the face, you're gonna be disappointed. Kratom is pretty subtle at low doses, kind of like tea.

 

[RDP89]

3 ounces of maeng da hurry up and get here!! plz?? So I can stop drinkin so much......plus I have this killer bud that would go great with a good dose of that. @sekio: yeah you're right it is sublte but if you get good leaf you can get really good effects. I only go for the strongest leaf I can find but no extracts because they got me hooked so easy. Kratom goes so great with weed though. It also doesn't last that long only 2 hours to 4 at the most but it's so easy to redose. And the withdrawals suck but are not that bad compared to stronger opioids/traditional opiates. I love Kratom myself though it numbs real good after a long day at work and your back or whatever hurts. Yeah at higher doses it does last longer cuz I would sleep for like 6 hours when I was addicted and wake up still a little buzzed or at least not in withdrawal. Some people I know who take it tho are opiate dependent and so they don't feel as much at all. But if you have little opioid tolerance like me it gets ya good and high. Awesome energy.

 

[Mycophile]

Today I am experimenting with Super Green Malaysian powder for the first time.

I woke up very late and decided to toss n' wash 2 1/2 teaspoons of powder with orange juice on an empty stomach before even having my coffee or eating anything, which is hard for me as a caffeine addict, but I wanted to be sure how stimulating it would be for me and not overdue the coffee and see the difference between doing it on an empty stomach vs on a lot of food which I did the other night and which probably made me need to take more for the same effect.

I waited an hour like some said in terms of how long it takes for Kratom to take effect, but I think I felt it more like 35-40 mins after ingestion and I think being on an empty stomach made a BIG difference.

I started feeling really nice, energized but relaxed.

After an hour I had my usual 3 cups of coffee which really added to the stimulation but not to an unpleasant extent.

Then after that I wanted to try one more teaspoon so I did and that was a little over an hour ago.

I am not sure whether or not I felt this last teaspoon kick in, but I am going to stop for now because most say that 3.5 is a lot...probably about 9 grams.

I still haven't eaten because I want the best effects, but I am probably going to eat in like 20 mins and then tonight try some Bali again.

I feel like this almost feels like a MUCH stronger equivalent of green tea in that green tea has both stimulating and anti-anxiety properties...and it might be interesting to combine the two instead of my usual coffee which lacks the L-Theanine for mood enhancement (although taking L-Theanine on its own did nothing for me).

Anyways...I like Kratom so far, both strains, though I am still figuring out my proper dosage and how to use it.

I waited a full 2 days between when I took Bali the other day and today so as to be sure that I am not going to get addicted.

I'll probably comment later on how I'm feeling cause I'm full of energy and feel like writing haha.

 

[DrinksWithEvil]

I took some mang da 50x 400mg capsules and felt like I was coming
Up on shrooms

Never again

 

[Cuzie]

3.5g of Maeng Da is the sweet spot for me. More upsets my stomach and less doesn't quite give me the buzz I'm after. I get it from a local retailer which is convenient but I am curious how it compares to other sources. I have no clue if I'm getting the bomb shit, mid-level or what.

@Mycophile - I had 200mg of L-theanine around 7a and took the kratom around 11a. They compliment each other beautifully imo. You might try a different source of L-theanine if you're not feeling it. That shit hit me hard today (maybe some residual effect from yesterday). If anything, I feel less would be optimal for me. I'm just buying the store brand from a health food grocery store.

 

[Mycophile]

3.5g of Maeng Da is the sweet spot for me. More upsets my stomach and less doesn't quite give me the buzz I'm after. I get it from a local retailer which is convenient but I am curious how it compares to other sources. I have no clue if I'm getting the bomb shit, mid-level or what.

@Mycophile - I had 200mg of L-theanine around 7a and took the kratom around 11a. They compliment each other beautifully imo. You might try a different source of L-theanine if you're not feeling it. That shit hit me hard today (maybe some residual effect from yesterday). If anything, I feel less would be optimal for me. I'm just buying the store brand from a health food grocery store.

Yeah I am curious to try other sources of L-Theanine for sure.

I mean, I can feel it in caffeinated tea when I drink that...of course there are probably other reasons that tea feels different from coffee other than L-Theanine like anti-oxidants but I can feel the relaxing effect.

Not sure where another good place for some Theanine might be.

I also wonder whether or not snorting L-Theanine powder might not have some effect since often with things that are not felt as much orally their effects can be felt more by insufflation.

I just had a little more of the Green Malay kick in but it's actually making me a little tired, probably cause I might have taken too much...so I'm gonna have some English breakfast tea.

It's still so hard for me to figure out what my correct dosage of Kratom is but so far it seems to be a WHOLE lot higher than most people on here.

Perhaps I am just after a stronger effect but the amounts I've taken today and the other day are considered a lot by some Kratom users.

It's probably gonna take a little while to really figure out how I react to this stuff and what my correct dosage is.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Hey myco, glad to hear your finding success with kratom. Keep in mind though that the higher you dose the more sedating the experiece will be. If your looking for a 'pick me up', dose on the medium/lower end and save the recreational doses for whenhou want to relax... as I'm sure you already know by now an empty/semi-empty stomach makes a world of a difference.

With that said how's your mental health since starting kratom? I find that kratom improves my focus greatly as well as providing a nice antidepressant/anxiolytic effect (at reasonable doses), probably the most functional recreational substance I cam think.of...too bad that for some reason my body just flat out rejects kratom now. I can't even take maintenance doses anymore withoutbeing thrown into the most uncomfortable, antsy paranoia state. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, it keeps my use in check... something that no other opioid would do.

 

[Mycophile]

Hey myco, glad to hear your finding success with kratom. Keep in mind though that the higher you dose the more sedating the experiece will be. If your looking for a 'pick me up', dose on the medium/lower end and save the recreational doses for whenhou want to relax... as I'm sure you already know by now an empty/semi-empty stomach makes a world of a difference.

With that said how's your mental health since starting kratom? I find that kratom improves my focus greatly as well as providing a nice antidepressant/anxiolytic effect (at reasonable doses), probably the most functional recreational substance I cam think.of...too bad that for some reason my body just flat out rejects kratom now. I can't even take maintenance doses anymore withoutbeing thrown into the most uncomfortable, antsy paranoia state. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, it keeps my use in check... something that no other opioid would do.

My mental health is great when on this stuff and it does exactly what I thought it would.

I mean, of course I'm still not going to ever take it more than 2-3 days a week, but I can really see how this stuff could be medicine.

It's 100% unique.

It really relaxes me in a therapeutic way that no other substance does except Klonopin, but when I say that I don't mean they have similar effects but only that it's the only other mind altering substance which doesn't really do anything too "extreme" to me but helps with anxiety.

While the other day which had been my first day using it, I only used bali at night, today was my first "full Kratom day" in that I started the day with Green Malay and moved on to Bali.

Now I'm on Bali and I guess you could say I'm "nodding" just a bit, kind of pleasantly sleepy, but on the Green Malay, especially with coffee, I felt energized and just overall optimistic and positive.

Now the high feels kind of like a 25mg Oxycodone experience kind of, except doesn't mess with my coordination.

My tolerance seems to be higher than most as I'm finding that my sweet spot tends to be between 2 1/2--3 Teaspoons which I guess is between 5 and 7.5 grams.

Somehow when I made the tea the other day it must not have been very strong though because that had 12.5 grams in it and I didn't feel like it did so I don't know when I'll try to make tea next as toss n' wash is working well for me.

I don't think this is going to be the kind of thing where I am going to be constantly craving it on days I don't take it.

I think it's more going to be something I'll think about on days when I'm feeling unmotivated or pessimistic.

More like "hmm, if I was on Kratom I probably wouldn't be feeling so negative right now".

It's really unique.

I'm just so impressed by how "un-drug" like a substance it is, despite it having such bad withdrawal symptoms which if it didn't I would consider it the softest drug out there, even more so than coffee.

I think there's probably so much potential for it to be used medicinally.

So yeah, I'm already a big fan, I just need to make sure I keep myself in check and don't use more than 2-3 days a week.

I kind of wish I had a white strain to try out, but I didn't buy one.

I also didn't tell you that there's a vendor I talked to who made his own "brown" vein by putting a red vein through a fermentation process.

He said it feels like a mix between a red and white vein and said he'd mail me a little bit for free when I said I couldn't afford more, but now I wonder if he really will.

Anyways, I like this stuff, and also find it suppresses my appetite a lot except I also find it constipating, but then again, it's an opioid so that makes sense that it would be.

Thanks for introducing me to this stuff and giving me so much good advice.

Now I am just hoping I took it early enough not to mess with my sleep tonight because the other night it did, so I am going to have to figure out how early I should take it so I can sleep well cause I found even the Bali kept me awake, though it might just have been that one night, I can't tell yet for sure.

 

[cherries27]

Yea I agree. No batch is the same. U cannot use a tablespoon and think u r getting the same amount from bag to bag. I always get maeng da and usually put in capsules and even when u put into capsules the density varies so sometimes I'll have to take 8 pills for 4G and sometimes up to 11 pills! I ran out of empty gel caps so I took by mouth and measured with tablespoon and did 4 table spoons which I normally can handle perfectly. Well this batch was so different and I was so "happy" don't want to use words that will ruin legal status but I was too happy if u know what I mean. I've tried making tea before and I just can't get it down so If I run out of capsules I just mix with about 1oz of chocolate milk Borden of course and swallow as fast as possible. Then some always gets stuck to the cup so I rinse with a swig of milk again and chug asap. So gross. I have a bad gag reflex since having kids...that's why I like the caps cuz there is no mess no nausea no nasty taste. Plus it makes me drink almost a whole bottle of aquafina cuz I have to take min 10 size 00 pills! I love the maeng da it works so well for my ADD and I have a lot of back issues and it takes most the pain away ALL DAY! supposedly maeng da is a weak pain reliever but it works well for me. I tried the UEI but still love my maeng da.

 

[hangyourhead]

Well, turns out I used up a lot of my 5g UEI & 4 oz WV Maeng Da powdered leaf order during this methadone taper. I haven't completely detoxed off the 'done.

How does anybody experienced with MPI/Mitragynine Pseudoindoxyl enhanced kratom or Oxindole Enhanced Bali which is expensive, but in contrast to UEI and with cost to effect ratio, MPI (~35x more potent than morphine per mg) seems to come out on top. For plain leaf powder- 1/2 Bali + 1/2 Green Malay powdered leaf to total 4 oz's.

 

[Mycophile]

Well today's my 3rd day taking Kratom.

I took 2 tea spoons, probably about 5 grams, of Green Malay about 1 1/2 hours ago.

Although I like it, one thing I have to say is that I was told that "energizing veins", particularly green and white, are fine to go out and do things on and drive and that they will probably make you even more alert while doing things and although I may change my mind and hope that I do, I COMPLETELY disagree with this comment so far.

I believe that the fact that I didn't sleep well last night so I'm tired today, and perhaps the fact that I take Klonopin and have no tolerance for Kratom may have effected me today, but at least TODAY I am groggy and uncoordinated as SHIT on this stuff.

I just knocked over a can of paint in my basement which isn't the kind of thing I'd usually do.

Really, it makes me feel almost as uncoordinated as taking Oxycodone where I'd drop things all the time.

Of course, this is only my experience TODAY...while on the other 2 days that I took Green Malay I felt very stimulated and did drive a few miles and go shopping etc.

Perhaps it can have different effects at different moments based on how one is feeling, how much one slept, what one ate, dosage, etc....but I now know that even a "stimulating" vein CAN in fact, have sedating properties just as much as a red vein, and I would NEVER drive on a red vein based on how much it was making me nod last time I took it, nor would I go out driving right now on Green Malay.

I think this stuff clearly has BOTH stimulating and sedating properties, regardless of whether you took a green, white or red vein and that for HR's sake people should assume that at any time they could either start to get sleepy and become somewhat uncoordinated or feel highly stimulated and act accordingly.

I wouldn't plan on thinking you can necessarily sleep fine on a red vein, or go out and drive and be 100% alert on a green or white...but again, this is only my 3rd time trying Kratom so I don't have the experience most others have.

It's still an opioid, and stimulating or not, opioids aren't particularly known for improving people's coordination or reaction time.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Well today's my 3rd day taking Kratom.

I took 2 tea spoons, probably about 5 grams, of Green Malay about 1 1/2 hours ago.

Although I like it, one thing I have to say is that I was told that "energizing veins", particularly green and white, are fine to go out and do things on and drive and that they will probably make you even more alert while doing things and although I may change my mind and hope that I do, I COMPLETELY disagree with this comment so far.

I believe that the fact that I didn't sleep well last night so I'm tired today, and perhaps the fact that I take Klonopin and have no tolerance for Kratom may have effected me today, but at least TODAY I am groggy and uncoordinated as SHIT on this stuff.

I just knocked over a can of paint in my basement which isn't the kind of thing I'd usually do.

Really, it makes me feel almost as uncoordinated as taking Oxycodone where I'd drop things all the time.

Of course, this is only my experience TODAY...while on the other 2 days that I took Green Malay I felt very stimulated and did drive a few miles and go shopping etc.

Perhaps it can have different effects at different moments based on how one is feeling, how much one slept, what one ate, dosage, etc....but I now know that even a "stimulating" vein CAN in fact, have sedating properties just as much as a red vein, and I would NEVER drive on a red vein based on how much it was making me nod last time I took it, nor would I go out driving right now on Green Malay.

I think this stuff clearly has BOTH stimulating and sedating properties, regardless of whether you took a green, white or red vein and that for HR's sake people should assume that at any time they could either start to get sleepy and become somewhat uncoordinated or feel highly stimulated and act accordingly.

I wouldn't plan on thinking you can necessarily sleep fine on a red vein, or go out and drive and be 100% alert on a green or white...but again, this is only my 3rd time trying Kratom so I don't have the experience most others have.

It's still an opioid, and stimulating or not, opioids aren't particularly known for improving people's coordination or reaction time.

Correct. Due to the many alkaloids in kratom I think all pretty much have the same just some have more of certain ones than others. Many find even find the most sedating strain of kratom initially stimulating before the sedation kicks in. Some people are just more sensitive to it than others.

http://www.kratom.net/content.php?4...-Kratom-and-their-known-or-potential-activity
List of alkaloids identified in Mitragyna speciosa Kratom, and their known or potential activity.


Concentration percentages given come from different studies of alkaloid concentrations in Mitragyna speciosa- Kratom leaf. Some of the alkaloids given in this list still need to be studied more specifically in order to determine their potential activity.

Ajmalicine (Raubasine): Cerebrocirculant, antiaggregant, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1), sedative, anticonvulsant, smooth muscle relaxer. Also found in Rauwolfia serpentina.

Akuammigine

Ciliaphylline: antitussive, analgesic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynantheidine: μ -opioid antagonist, also found in Yohimbe. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynoxeine: Calcium channel blocker. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynoxine A and B: Dopamine mediating anti-locomotives. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Epicatechin: Antioxidant, antiaggregant, antibacterial, antidiabetic,
antihepatitic, anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic, antimutagenic, antiperoxidant,
antiviral, potential cancer preventative, alpha-amylase inhibitor. Also found in dark chocolate.

9-Hydroxycorynantheidine: Partial opioid agonist

7-hydroxymitragynine: Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal; primary
psychoactive in Kratom, Roughly 2% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isomitraphylline: Immunostimulant, anti-leukemic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isomitrafoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isopteropodine: Immunostimulant

Isorhynchophylline: Immunostimulant. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isospeciofoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitraciliatine: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitragynine: Indole alkaloid. Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal, adrenergic, antimalarial,
possible psychedelic (5-HT2A) antagonist. Roughly 66% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitragynine oxindole B. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitrafoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitraphylline: Oxindole alkaloid. Vasodilator, antihypertensive, muscle relaxer, diuretic, antiamnesic, anti-leukemic, possible immunostimulant. <1% of total alkaloid contents in Kratom leaf.

Mitraversine

Paynantheine: Indole alkaloid. Smooth muscle relaxer. 8.6% to 9% of total alkaloid contents in Kratom leaf.

Rhynchophylline: Vasodilator, antihypertensive, calcium channel blocker,
antiaggregant, anti-inflammatory, antipyretic, anti-arrhythmic, antithelmintic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Speciociliatine: Weak opioid agonist. 0.8% to 1% of total alkaloid content of Kratom leaf, unique to Kratom.

Speciofoline

Speciogynine: Smooth muscle relaxer. 6.6% to 7% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.

Speciophylline: Indole alkaloid. Anti-leukemic. <1% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.

Stipulatine

Tetrahydroalstonine: Hypoglycemic, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-2)

 

[Mycophile]

Man, I really can't figure Kratom out.

I was tired as shit all day on this stuff, groggy, etc, took more and now I'm bouncing off the walls and WAY too speedy.

I just took more bali to try to even it out and make me more pleasantly sedated.

So far it just seems so damn hard to figure out my correct dosage.

I've never experienced such an unpredictable drug, does this stuff get easier to figure out as one experiments more?

 

[sekio]

It's much more predictable if you weigh doses rather than use spoon measurement and stick to always taking it under similar conditions.

Also, driving on kratom is a no-no. It's the same as mixing pain medication and stimulants, one is not going to cancel the effects of the other!

 

[Mycophile]

It's much more predictable if you weigh doses rather than use spoon measurement and stick to always taking it under similar conditions.

Also, driving on kratom is a no-no. It's the same as mixing pain medication and stimulants, one is not going to cancel the effects of the other!

What kind of scale do you recommend?

I wouldn't want to pay a lot for anything fancy.

I don't really understand why weighing it out is so important though?

I mean, I use a legit teaspoon and always make sure it's leveled out, not heaping or too small and it's always the same powders so even if certain doses are like 0.1-0.3 grams max more or less than I think why it would it make such a big difference in effect?

Do you have any other recommendations for how to get a more predictable experience with Kratom in terms of figuring out it's effects on me?

Like, taking it the same amount of time before or after food and before or after I have coffee (I drink a lot of coffee so this may be effecting it)?

Leave similiar amounts of time between doses??

I re-dose a lot of times during the day since I have spacing the days out so much to avoid addiction, so perhaps this is making it hard to figure out because I keep taking different amounts throughout the day.

 

[jones-in_J]

It's much more predictable if you weigh doses rather than use spoon measurement and stick to always taking it under similar conditions.

Also, driving on kratom is a no-no. It's the same as mixing pain medication and stimulants, one is not going to cancel the effects of the other!

eh I just use a level teaspoon. As long as you make it level evwry time youll be getting fbe sams ammount, I take it 2-3x a day and A) dont have time to weigh out evwry dose and B) if someone at work on my break sees me weighing ut with a scale its gonna raize their nosey bitch ass eyebrows lol

 

[88dood88]

Has anyone found benzos to potentiate kratom? Only reason I'm asking is that I have only 5g of kratom left, and a temazepam script, and was wondering if the temazepam would potentiate the kratom in any way. I've heard various user reports of the somewhat euphoric properties of temazepam. I'm a daily kratom user and 8g usually does me nice.

 

[burn out]

I want to know if anyone else thinks kratom is a better painkiller than opiates. I used to be a heroin addict and heroin is obviously a lot stronger than kratom, the thing is when using heroin daily I build such a tolerance that it doesn't really kill pain very well anymore, I just maintain on it whereas with daily use of kratom, I feel like it retains its painkilling effects.