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Sweet jones

Seriously dont bother with 2-meo-ket its fucking shit.

The only worth while dissociatives rc's out atm are:

MXE - great stuff, allways a good time
NEK - way better than 2 meo ket but not as good as MXE
3-meo-pcp - godlike substance, extremely awesome get some if you can.
 
Have to second AFA 3 meo-pcp is the king of dissociative's period! More expensive per mg than any other but when you only need 10 mg's very cost effective. Be careful if combining with other substances though it's very potent. As a HR tip always use mg scales when dosing 3 meo-pcp. Not very common though and possibly one of the few substances I'd come out of retirement for lol.

Fuck yeah my avatar dog painting. I did this while on MXE and K I called him dissociative dog, nothing like trying to paint when you can barely move and you keep needing to close one eye just to see the fucking painting.
 
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I agree with most of AFA's choices, too.

I actually think NEK is really nice. It's just too weak, too short acting, and too expensive. If the price were a quarter of what it is, I'd love to have some around because it's so mellow and warm feeling. Sometimes you don't want the full power craziness that is MXE - even thought I'd put MXE at the very top of the list for all dissociatives - and you just want to feel relaxed and zone out for a couple of hours. That's when NEK shines. It's way more linear and predictable than MXE and 3-MeO-PCP as well.

Regarding 3-MeO-PCP... it is indeed a mighty powerful substance with the ability to dish out big servings of euphoric virtual reality, but it's unforgiving and requires far more restraint than any of the others. Redosing is dangerous. It seems to do its thing for an hour or two, then hide away. Sometimes it suddenly comes back hours later, and that's where my bad experiences came from. THinking it was done, taking something else - a stim, a psych, weed, another dissociative... pretty much anything other than a downer - and KABOOM! Crazy time.

Also, this is probably a very good thing from a harm reduction perspective: You just can't dose 3-PCP daily or multiple times on the same day like you can with MXE. It can really turn on you if you abuse it.
 
Totally agree Halif. A few months back before my horror/life changing train-wreck experience I had a 20 mg line of 3-meo-pcp and combined it with meth and I swear the 3-meo-pcp just cut the meth high right off. Some 8 hours later I re-dosed with a little meth (no further dosing with 3 meo-pcp) and nothing for another 2 hours. As the 3-meo-pcp wore off the meth came back in. 3 meo pcp is a drug that demands respect. Also it is only slightly less potent than pcp itself aka "angel dust". Also seems to increase vaso-constriction slightly although this is magnified by combining it with other substances (2cb, aMT etc) but the worst was in combo with meth. After that I decided never to combo 3 meo-pcp with anything again. I just enjoyed it for it's own unique essence. Also worth noting I was to scared to try and hole off it (I liked to hole and have hit that zone with every other dissociative) 20 mg's was as big a dose for one 24 hour period as I cared for.

You have to be careful and respect it. 50 mg's of 3 meo would last me for days using just 1 or 2 x 10 mg doses a day. That was all I needed and all I wanted. I'd then take a break for a few days because as you said Halif over use can result in some pretty crazy thought content and quasi delusional thought patterns. Amazing vivid dreams as well including some of deceased persons but could become too real and waking up your still caught in your dreams for a while as you transition from dreamland to reality. Also it's weird kinda stimulating at one point and then opiate like a few hour later. All the while the usual dissociative bee's in a can noise is going on... Take extreme care when using 3 meo pcp is my HR tip and just enjoy it for what it is. Do not try to hole with this one, it's a bit too extreme.
 
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Excellent point.

In a way it's good that it's not easy to find because people whose experience with this family of drugs is limited to K, DXM, and perhaps MXE, could quickly get into strife by treating 3-PCP in the same way as the others.

It's so much more potent by weight, not to mention unforgiving if too much is taken....
 
When a drug is around half the potency of pcp there is a damn good reason to be careful with it because it is mental potent. Always respect something that doses in the 5-10 mg range. That said I really enjoyed 3meo but was easy to control my use as I knew something this strong was to be seriously respected and sounds like you may have learnt the hard way Halif. Hope nothing to bad came about as a result of this substance. It is a wild and unpredictable beast at the best of times. For those wanting to try it and you can access it take note from Halif's post and my own be very careful, use mg scales, note that even a few 5 mg doses over a period of 4-6 hours may get you fucked out because it has a long half life compared to say K. Stay safe people.
 
You're mostly correct in assuming I learnt the hard way. truth is, I had done lots of reserach before trying, and in fact used it numerous time to great effect. A small dose of 3-PCP and a moderate dose of MXE gave me two of the best and most unique trips of my life, out of many many trips.

I say you're mostly correct, because the truth is that I already knew how potent it was. The two disaster trips I had were from irresponsible dosing of multiple substances. I won't repeat the combo that gave me the single most frightening experience (not just trip, but all experiences), because it would invoke a host of "well, that's fucking ridiculous, and you got what you deserved". And while it's true that I brought it upon myself, the fact is I suffered a frightening trip, and then suffered from increased symptoms of my pre-existing mental conditions. Good trips can change you forever, as can bad.

But really awful experiences which push the envelope of what you can handle mentally and physically can leave you with long-lasting or even permanent psychological issues... or in my case, a worsening of the pre-existing issues.

Actually, I'll see if I can find the description I wrote up about that experience (it was like a short trip report in a way). I don't want people to be scared and think that 3-PCP is evil or something, it's just a good example of how some substances demand respect, and if due respect is not paid, consequences are guaranteed.

(If I can find the old post - from about a year ago, I think - I'll post a link to it, or a copy of it in here)
 
OK, here's the old post, including details about my stupidity in the lead up:!
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Yes, 3-MeO-PCP is one of the best things (RC or otherwise) I've ever tried, and yes it can push you over into frightening territory much faster than MXE. Taking a bit too much (far too much, in my case) is like being on a beach in the tropics, wading out into beautiful crystal blue water, a light warm breeze touching your body, feeling about as good as you've ever felt in your life - and then taking one more step and discovering that the shoreline suddenly drops off. The water depth goes from 50 centimetres to 5 miles and you sink down like a rock, that clear blue water becoming black and impossibly dense, suffocating.

The combination of MXE and 3-MeO-PCP is in my top three best experience-makers. That combo has been a winner a dozen times or so for me. I felt great. I got some amazing insights which remain with me. But twice I've nearly cracked on it in a way I have never come close to on anything else. One of those times in particular was the single scariest experience I've ever had in my life. No exceptions. I was very irresponsible and nearly paid for it with my sanity. It came about after a day of smoking a-PVP and sniffing unmeasured lines of MXE mixed with 3-MeO-PCP. Yes, I was extremely stupid, and yes, I am extremely fortunate to be here and relatively together. All I have left in the way of memories of that incident is fragments:

-sitting at the computer happily listening to music and suddenly feeling my personality divide into several parts which began to speak all at once. You know the voices in your head (yes, everyone has them) which are always there saying inane things like "I'm hungry", and "I can't be bothered going to work today", and whatnot? Those voices. Except that now they were OUTSIDE of my head and speaking as if they were people in the room. Very surreal. My aspects began speaking to each other, some calming down the others that were freaking out. Basically, I ceased to exist as a single entity and became an observer to this room full of 'me's who were all yammering away. (Not a great start to an evening, non?)

-suddenly coming to in the backyard, standing in the rain in the dark, shaking, with no reference points (dreaming? dying? who am I? where am I? have I done something wrong? am I in danger?)

-slumped at the kitchen counter shaking uncontrollably, with pills (blue ones, white ones, pink ones - who knew I had so many?) and baggies everywhere, my 'box of tricks' upended, trying to cram clonazepam into my mouth to avoid the full psychotic break which I felt was now inevitable. (I also rubbed some clonaz into my left eye for some reason. It's nice and minty when it's under your tongue, but nasty and stingy in your eye).

-standing in front of the bathroom sink, a metallic, minty taste in my mouth, my eye stinging, utterly confused and fragmented, thinking that I must have ingested some poison somehow (had completely forgotten about the clonaz, of course, and everything else I'd taken that day), trying to scoop water from the tap into my mouth to wash it out, sticking my fingers down my throat

After that I don't remember much. Not surprising considering I chowed down on clonazepam like TicTacs. Amazingly, incredibly, miraculously, I seem to be still basically the same person as before. No more or less crazy that I can detect. I mean, I've had 'brain' issues since my teens and have pushed the boundaries many times going on and off meds and taking all kinds of stuff in a reckless fashion, but I really am surprised to have come back after that. I think I very narrowly dodged a scary big bullet. Now it's time to have a break (the good type, not the psycho one), be good to myself and become once again deserving of the gift of mental stability which I have foolishly taken for granted. Bye bye BlueLight for a while.

Anyway, the point of this little story is that there ARE some worthwhile new substances getting around, and they need to be understood ('researched', if you will) well and treated with respect. I still think that 3-MeO-PCP and MXE are amazing, and have genuine capacity for growth and healing.

3-MeO-PCP is very potent stuff. Does the world really need 3-HO-PCP?


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Thank you so much for sharing that very personal information Halif! I had no doubt you were aware of just how powerful this substance was. It is the unique nature of the drug that makes your caution slip and think about experimenting with other substances in combination with 3 meo pcp. I was limited to Nbome, aMT, 2cb, 2cd, 2ci, K and then last of all with meth. That was a deal breaker for me as it really hammer home just how crazy this drug is.

Fuck man apvp! No offence, please don't take this the wrong way, I am starting to understand where your coming from! MDPV/apvp is the shit that almost killed me and I now have ectopic cardiac beats as a result, all I can say is wow it must have been absolute hell for you. You are describing a psychotic break but still somewhat grounded in reality: hypo-mania! OMG that is intense. Purging would have helped remove at least some of the toxins that would have been in your system + plenty of H20. A big danger is dissociative drug's don't allow your body to sweat increasing the risk of basically cooking yourself in your own skin. I hear you on the whole am I dying, I'm ok with dying but I'm a fuckwit for doing this to myself.

I recently had severe serotonin syndrome from mixing 50 mgs (+ another 20mg top up a little later) 2cb + a heap of very pure K (200 mg) while coming down from some meth and I think I added some 25c Nbome about 2mgs into the mix at some stupidly ignorant and unthinking point plus synthetic weed. Over 5 days of hell! luckily I had some xanax on hand in powdered form but needless to say my experimenting days are done. I was an emotional mess for 3 days and they were agony. Luck my partner was there to support me as she has been through similar hell's herself (heroin, psychosis from cannabis) but had never seen such severe serotonin syndrome. The rest of the week I was at least able to walk around even go outside to the shops but only briefly and I would have 0 energy.

I'm very lucky I know how to treat serotonin syndrome (dopamine as well, basically food, nutrients, benzo's and regular monitoring of your BP, cardiac rate/rythum etc) but almost 1 week of pure hell. I'm still posting on BL because if I can get this message across to at least a few people it may help them when/if they end up in the same position. Peace mate and I respect were you are coming from. I didn't respect the 2c's interacting with K and then adding the Nbome was just batshit crazy and the most irresponsible thing I have done. 3 meo will hold a special place for me as it is the one drug I truly respected from day one and even when combining it was never more than 1 dose of 5-10 mg... until the 20 mg dose with meth.

Despite this and possibly because I respect it so very much I would possibly use 3 meo-pcp again, maybe MXE as well if I had access to it but everything else under the sun is a big no go zone for myself now. New RC's are just getting more dangerous anyway and my honeymoon with MD is long over, tryptamine drugs are boring and I've tried almost every one, and the PEA's/amphetamines are causing to many really bad side effects. I have entered retirement from psycho-nautic adventuring. "Even the most experienced psyche fiend can" (can't remember the rest) basically fuck out hard as stated in regards to one of the UK bluelight crews (fastandbulbous) incidents with 3 meo-pcp and that was posted around 2009.

Quote Originally Posted by fastandbulbous
...My experience of 6 & 8 mg IM was of horrible muscle tension that lasted for 1-2 days. This also happened with people who took the 3-HO PCP via other routes (plugged, snorted, swallowed). Personally it put me off ever trying 3-HO PCP ever again"
That does not sound good IMO and fastandbulbous had a major "incident" when overdoing the 3meo-pcp.
 
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dissociative dog

painted while high on MXE and K.
 
Thank you so much for sharing that very personal information Halif!
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Hey, no problem. You're most welcome.

I've shared lots of personal stuff on here because I think adding my first hand experiences along with general info has a lot more impact than just repeating things I've read or heard somehwere. I've had loads of great experiences with substances of various types. Not just 'woo! party time, yo!', but incredible, life changing experiences that have ultimately left me with a more open perspective and less fear about how the universe works (or doesn't work).

But I don't talk about those much, because I don't want to 'recommend' anyone to try anything. If someone wants to try a drug, whatever that may be, it should be entirely their decision and they should take responsibility for it. I'd hate to write a trip report about a good experience I had, with my dosages and everything, and then have someone try to replicate it and get into trouble.

Hence, I keep my posts here focused on either practical info which I know about first hand, or from a reliable source. Or I focus on bad experiences to highlight the dangers that can occur, and how to minimise the chance of experiencing them.

I love all the dissociative drugs. They all do amazing things, and need to be treated with respect, and as individuals. Especially 3-MeO-PCP. That one's something else altogether!!
 
I know those experiences all to well my friend. The Mckenna brothers were some of the first true urban shamans although Terrence believed mushrooms were an intergalactic species linking all sentient being and colonizing planets just so these sentient creatures could evolve and become one with their destiny etc. Mine was a massive OD on 2ci and MXE and I thought I could see all the gates of the universe but I could not open timem ene though they a metre away. Peace Halif and much love.
 
I'm inexperienced with K and I've only taken a few bumps off this point and I feel overwhelmingly sleepy. Other K effects are there like dreamy-ness, decreased co-ordination, etc. but my energy has just plummeted. I feel like I could sleep for hours. Very little euphoria, my last experience a couple months ago was very euphoric and silly/giggly/sociable etc.
 
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Not working man :p
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Yeah it's now my avatar, had some issues with it so made it the little picture below my pseudo name. It's a dog BTW. Sorry.
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Thanks finally got it to work, not great detail but you get the idea. About 1 gram mxe and a few of K and 4-5 days worth of dissociation and painting. Lots of fun at the time lol. You can do stuff other than just lay flat and listen to tunes while on these kind of substances. This was painted some 2 or 3 years ago.

BTW sweet jones you got to close one eye when really in the hole just to focus. Trick is you lose all depth perception and shapes morph/move. The whole canvass starts to swim but it makes you feel where the paint wants to go. Don't fight just let go and surrender to the feel. That is why the eyes look so deep all the circular shapes around it drag you into the centre, just like trying to focus on anything while dissociating. It is far from photo realistic or even accurate from an anatomical perspective but it's a fun challenge! The only shit I have never been able to anything on was fly agaric mushrooms, they are just poison couldn't move, horrid shit. 20 mg TMA 2 with 1.2 mg 25c Nbome was also a nasty experience.
 
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lovepsychadelics - nice work mate. could get lost in his eyes. dont think i could work my hands and arms enough on K to draw anything let alone that i dont have anything worthwhile to draw/paint haha

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I'm inexperienced with K and I've only taken a few bumps off this point and I feel overwhelmingly sleepy. Other K effects are there like dreamy-ness, decreased co-ordination, etc. but my energy has just plummeted. I feel like I could sleep for hours. Very little euphoria, my last experience a couple months ago was very euphoric and silly/giggly/sociable etc.
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i feel like i can sleep but i never manage it without a bit of valium to knock me out. i know some people like to have a few small bumps and wander around but k doesn't work like that for me, i like to just blast myself into another realm and sit back and think about stuff
 
Right, silly question here but what is the best way to measure nasal doses without scales? I've tended to avoid sniffing my drugs after a nasty experience with 2C-B a few years ago...
The best guide I've found so far is 5mm x 5mm squares and to work your way up slowly (safety first...)
 
Quick question regarding oral ketamine use - erowid says to dissolve in boiling water and mix with orange juice, can it just be put in caps and eaten, like MDMA?
 
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