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The Ketamine Discussion thread

Sweet Jones said:
Quick question regarding oral ketamine use - erowid says to dissolve in boiling water and mix with orange juice, can it just be put in caps and eaten, like MDMA?
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Yeah you can bomb it but need more for the effect to be felt vs inhalation via rolled up bill lol. NEK is stuff you would need to bomb as I think you need 200 mg and my god is it awful on the nose. I'm sure you can put it in caps but I think the erowid method creates maximum bio-availability when taken orally although I'm not really sure. Dodgy pills with meth and K or DXM do work orally although probably not what you want if you were after MDxx.

I used to IM K a fair bit but not anymore, although that route seems to give amazing effects. Just be sure to use a proper filter, sterile H2O or saline and a clean needle. Also IM gives a quicker onset and requires a lower dose although you usually have a few minutes before the ears start to sound like bee's in a can. IM seems to be the best way to hole on K at least in my experience. Hope this info is somewhat helpful
 
Yea was helpful thanks. I snort it usually but my friend doesn't want to snort anything lol
 
Ah most of you people are lucky! I usually have to do 300mg to even feel anything granted I'm a daily k user and some what of an addict I would say. Me and my friends usually kill a gram or more a day I really hate how quickly a tolerance is built up. Anyways I have a question... being from New Mexico, USA our ketamine comes from Mexico as liquid everyone calles it Anascat which is supposedly one type of k and then keminova which is a supposed to be another type both have different effects anascat making you dissociated and then keminova making you hallucinate extreamly. I guess my question is what do you guys know about the different names or brands of ketamine? Also my nose gets really clogged easily does anyone know why this could be happening could they be cutting it with salt? Because more recently the k has been getting worse, clogging my nose, and building a tolerance quickly thanks guyzzzzz
 
Not being from America can't really comment but it's weird that you get 2 different subjective effects of the same drug. MXE/3 meo pcp is more my style than K. Hope those dodgy Mexican's aren't cutting with Xylazine. Xylazine is a cheap vet grade anesthetic used for dental work on horses or when they chop the male horses balls. One small ampule can provide 100's of doses and it's really gummy when dried and prepared from human use. You can't use the liquid it's too potent so it has to be dried and cut before it's usable by humans. Xylazine is also known as anaesthesia and is available in a pre mixed ketamine and xylazine liquid bottles for vet use. Dose for animal anaesthesia prior to surgery may be 0.5 mg xylazine and 25 mg ketamine (medium dog).
 
Many moons ago we used to get vials of ketalar from the vet and crystallise it - the difference between that and what was available on the street at the time was remarkable - always put it down to being racemic or d/l etc oh and of course any active filler that found its way in :X
 
Yeah I've definitely always felt there's a significant difference between racemic ketamine and s-ketamine, it's always seemed to me that racemic produces much more pronounced hallucinogenic effects, while s-ketamine gets me wonky and dissociated and feeling weird, but it never quite matched the otherworldliness of racemic ketamine. I've managed to hole on both, but the racemic hole was a much more vivid and realistic experience, whereas the s-ketamine hole felt more blurry, I guess, detached and dreamlike, and it's only in the racemic hole that I had a really intense and profound experience which stuck with me afterwards. The racemic hole gave that sensation of tapping into something larger than myself, whereas the s-k hole just felt like a subconscious jumble.

Anyone have any thoughts on how 3-meo-pcp compares to K and MXE? I've been offered it a few times and always turned it down, I'm not a fan of long lasting hallucinogens, and what I've read/heard makes it sound somewhat harsh and uncomfortable compared to the relaxing detachment of K/MXE, but I'm having trouble locating my favorites at the moment, and, well, beggars & choosers.... is it at all physically stimulating? Even MXE can get me feeling a bit tweaked sometimes (although this isn't as bad with the more pure batches) and I usually have to take a low dose benzo if I want to sleep within a few hours of the last dose, which was never a problem I had with any variety of ketamine (the opposite actually, I used to be able to drift into a wonderful, refreshing sleep while it was still wearing off).

Might be time to go old school and buy a nitrous cracker for my dissociative fix :p
 
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meh never really noticed much of a difference between racemix and s isomer. S isomer does seem a little more visually "fuzzy" or "blurry" vs racemix but I've holed on both many times and don't notice a huge difference personally. Not like K vs mxe or 3 meo-pcp different at least. Perhaps a slightly different shade of the same thing but only barely noticeable. Others may notice the difference more so than I do but good hospital/vet grade K is the bomb and I think that is almost always racemix.
 
To be fair, I'm only going off what I've been told about the variety of the product, which is never 100% reliable from even the best of sources, so it's entirely possibly I'm just assigning different associations to what I've been told post-hoc. But it's definitely always felt like there are two varieties which vary qualitatively, and those differences in effect have usually correlated with with what I've been told about whether the product is racemic/pure s-ket.
 
EDIT: this is in response to Crankinit's question

Anyone have any thoughts on how 3-meo-pcp compares to K and MXE?
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3-MeO-PCP can be great!

Just know that it's potent, re-dosing is a bad idea, it's non-linear in effects (so can come sneaking back with a vengeance if you take something else later; weed, another dissociative, or more 3-PCP of course.

It's not chill like K. It's also different from MXE. The wonky factor is turned down, while the amazingly vivid and complex thought patterns and mania are turned up. You're more likely to want to walk around and do things outside. You might even find that you want to socialise a lot.

A little goes a long way. Best to just take a decent but not silly dose by itself and experience it's unique effects. Don't combine it with anything at all if you haven't tried it before. And when I say combine, I mean don't take anything before or after on the day you dose the 3-PCP.

Sometimes you might have some in the morning, then hours later you feel like it's gone and, say, have a smoke (weed) or take some MXE, or do a line of speed or whatever... and BOOM it's back and it's turning that one toke into a blunt!!

If it's pure, between 5-10mg taken sublingually should be enough to get a good feel for it, provided you don't have a big tolerance to dissociatives.

Just go slow and steady, and leave days (not hours) between doses.
 
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Thanks for the input man. Does it have the same 'immersive' effect as MXE? One of my favorite things about MXE is the way you can watch a movie, or play a game, and just lose yourself in it entirely, until it feels as real as the actual world around you does. I can sink into movies and documentaries and the like for hours this way, it just becomes so vivid and engaging. I'm not so interested in the bizarre internal thought patterns as just enjoying the external effects, what it does to my perception of the world around me.

Tolerance isn't that high, sounds like 5 - 10mg to test the water couldn't hurt.

Is it at all physically stimulating? Don't want something that will make me tweaky or on edge.
 
Yes, I found it to be very immersive. I never watched movies or did anything sedentary on it because it dose have a stimulatory effect. It makes me want to go out, meet friends, do stuff.

It makes the world so clear and vivid that it's almost like watching your life on a super high resolution monitor. Virtual reality.

That's why it's kind of dangerous - it makes things feel dream like, but not in a fuzzy way. More like you are in a really advanced life simulation program. I never did anything too stupid on it, but I can see the potential there for crazy behaviour. If you've ever had a lucid dream in which you were able to direct things to some extent, and you knew that it was a dream so you went nuts and did all sorts of weird shit....

...well, that's kind of what 3-PCP can be like. Except you're acting out these bizarre things in public and everyone is taking pictures of you with their phone cameras.
 
Haha. Yeah I've done exactly that with lucid dreams a few times, I can see what you mean.

Hmm, not sure it sounds like exactly my cup of tea, I really do prefer dissociatives as a chillout drug, while watching movies or gaming or whatever, but I might give a low dose a spin and see how it feels. Thanks for the info man, appreciate it.
 
It's lovely stuff but needs massive respect. It's almost speedy while mxe is more like H imo. It has overpowered a meth high (or maybe just enhanced both substances??) and that says a lot about how potent it is in terms of brain receptor activity. 10 mg no more than 2 doses in say 12 hours unless you want to get freaky. Face eating freaky if you have a bunch of shit on board beside the 3meo-pcp. I've been tempted of late but say 2 grams of this is batshit insanity. 100 mg would be enough for a number of strong experiences over a period of time. Remember also combining dissociatives and psychedelics/stimulants may cause serotonin syndrome or even dopamine toxicity. When there is more dopamine present inside of a cell than there are vesicles to store it in, oxidative stress can occur and cause damage or death to the cell It is thought that dopamine overload causes biochemical damage to cellular mitochondria that provide the cell with all of the energy it requires to function. Damage to these cellular organs results in death of the cell. Journal of Computational Neuroscience"; Dynamics of Tyrosine Hydroxylase Mediated Regulation of Dopamine Synthesis; P Kaushik, et al.; April 2007.

Very lucid dreaming while awake state. True dissociation very much like traditional "angel dust". Indeed it's only 1/2 the potency of pcp and doses are 5 mg up. That is how powerful 3 meo-pcp is. Worth a look in a massive way but be very careful with dosing. This is a substance I recommend if used responsibly. Just as stimulating as true pcp as the binding properties of 3 meo are only slightly less than pcp and pcp is fucking nuts, like 5-10 mg is a BIG dose of pcp (for me) fucking nuts then 15-20 mg of 3 meo is just as fucking nuts. Still at 20 mg I was very functional when dosing 3 meo-pcp alone but combinations are best avoided although can be good if dosages are low ie 10 mg 3meo pcp and some cannabis or 2cb 15 mg. This is after becoming comfortable with the two substances individually before combining them. Note there seems to be increased cardiac tension and vasoconstriction present when 3meo-pcp is combined with hallucinogens vs individual substance.
 
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^excellent info, lovepsych

That paragraph drives home how powerful this substance is, and how much care and respect must be given if someone intends on trying it.

It is not forgiving compared to K, or even MXE. Think about (or read about if you haven't tried it) how far out you can go with MXE. You can go cosmos surfing. You can build worlds. It is immense in its scope.

That's MXE I'm talking about. Powerful stuff.

Now consider that 3-MeO-PCP is much more potent by weight, and much less forgiving and predictable.

I think I've rambled on numerous times about my spaz-outs on 3-PCP (in combination with other shit) on this board, so I won't bother digging it up again, but just for those who are new to this substance or are thinking about trying it, it's totally worth my time to repeat it again:

You must not treat 3-MeO-PCP like K, or MXE.

It is different. It is not bad. It can be amazing. But treat it like it's a really potent, dangerous substance - because that's what it is.

Key points:

-3-PCP is much stronger by weight than MXE or K.

-3-PCP does not take kindly to redosing as you might with the above mentioned

-3-PCP does not have a predictable curve of effect. It can come on quick and strong, then seem to disappear. Then it can come back hours later, especially if you take something else.

-3-PCP is not as easy to mix with other things as MXE. (Mixing stuff with MXE can be great, but needs caution. This applies ten fold for 3-PCP)

-3-PCP can make you confused and scared very quickly if you have too much, and unlike MXE or K, you will not be locked to the sofa or ground. You'll be able to run around and cause chaos.
 
Still at 20 mg I was very functional when dosing 3 meo-pcp alone but combinations are best avoided although can be good if dosages are low ie 10 mg 3meo pcp and some cannabis or 2cb 15 mg. This is after becoming comfortable with the two substances individually before combining them. Note there seems to be increased cardiac tension and vasoconstriction present when 3meo-pcp is combined with hallucinogens vs individual substance.
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Just wanted to add this, instead of making my above post even longer, I put it in a new post.

I agree with what lovepsych says %100.

Please don't take this as a recommendation to go out and try 3-MeO-PCP, especially combinging it with shit.

But the fact is, people are curious and they want to try things, and I think it's better to let the truth be known in its entirety. No point saying "drugs are bad", or "just don't do it". That never fucking works. The truth is, 3-PCP can be an amazing substance. It's given me some of the best trips of my life. Unforgettable and totally unique.

That's the truth. I"m not stupid. There's a reason I take this shit.

However, when I get careless, then I AM stupid - and that's when you fuck up and shit goes pear shaped real quick. Reeeallll quick.

Summary: 3-MeO-PCP is a great substance. It is unique and mind-blowing. It must be treated very, very carefully. Anyone who gets careless with it will learn the hard way what happens. I was stupid, but I'm still here. Lucky for me. Could've been different though. Don't make it a 50/50 chance type of thing. Do it properly or don't do it. End of story.
 
i want to hear some of the stupid shit youve gotten up to on the stuff. i love a good freakout story.
 
Halif & lovepsychs, thanks for the info, honestly it doesn't really sound like my thing, may give it a spin on v. low dose if it's offered to me directly again in the right circumstances, but not going to go out of my way to get my hands on it.
 
Cool. Glad to help you reach a decision. It's not something to be taken lightly, so it's good that you've been able to get some feedback and go with what feels right for you.

Laugh: I posted some shit about how I almost had a psychotic break after using a bunch of shit, with 3-PCP being the catalyst. It's on here somewhere, and I actually re-posted it again recently for some reason. I'm sure you'll find it if you have a look around.

I don't really want to post it again though, as it was not my finest moment and was actually very traumatic. It was supposed to be a cautionary tale rather than an amusement post. But I don't mind if people get a laugh out of it, because I brought it on myself, AND I chose to post about it publicly, so with that I accept any and all responses that come from it :)
 
3 meo is potent shit but an amazing substance. I can't stress enough the low dosages. I did 30 mg in one 12 hour period and I think I had some Nbome (must have because I had 2 less tabs but didn't remember having them). It's like your racing through life with the lights off. You'll suddenly be standing some place and no idea how you got there. You are in the hole but walking, talking and doing random shit. I have not had any real bad experiences with 3 meo pcp because 30 mg is the largest dose I have done. That said there were times I was tripping that hard I was lost to reality. Someone could have been yelling in my ear and I still wouldn't have heard (well I would have heard but not comprehended perhaps is a better analogy).

Laugh I've only had 1 freak out with dissociatives. I had pcp (apparently) many years ago on a few cones (I found out later because these guys thought it'd be funny to get me fucked up without my knowledge!!) I remember bits like trying to attack cars in traffic because I thought they should stop for ME!! I think I had a go at the fridge when I got home because it had dings in it and my hands were all bloody. I remember smoking a couple of cones and then shit got weird, ringin ears, time dilation, the usual dissociative trip but I was not into dissociatives much at that stage in my life so it just fucked me. To this day I'm not sure if it was pcp or something similar but that was the first and last experience like that. I've only come across pcp a handful of times in my life and my god is it strong shit!!! 3 meo pcp is almost as strong but more forgiving I have not ever attacked traffic while under the influence, how I didn't get run over I have no idea. Even 3 meo pcp was not as intense, that said I have no idea what it was although the guys who gave me the cones swore black is blue it was pcp. They also thought it hilarious to drug someone without their knowledge on an extremely potent substance in that case, which makes them assholes!
 
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whenever i think of pcp i think of the steve-o vid where they are doing a tour through europe and he freaks out real bad after like 3 wet smokes.

shortly thereafter i believe was his intervention.

pcp is one of those drugs that seems to have a really dodgy rep, perhaps for good reason?

:) sorry, i digrees, back to the topic at hand.
 
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