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The Indigenous Australian thread

Zero the hero said:
Wll put. What people don't seem to understand is that an apology to the Aborigines, recognizing their suffering and offering compensation to the victims-like, as mentioned, they’re in the process of doing in Canada to the victims of the Canadian Indian boarding school victims at the moment to the tune of two billion dollars-for what's been done to then isn't going to instantly fix the problem, but what it will do is begin the healing process for many of these people and hopefully the entire community. Indians I know back in Canada-some with parents and grandparents who were victims of the Indian boarding school system-greatly appreciated the gesture and see this as a very positive step towards a new beginning. The thing is that it’s not the compensation that’s most important to these people if you speak to them about it, but the recognition of the hell they’ve been through.
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Zero the hero said:
But anyway, for your information I’ve personally never believed that any individual should apologize for what happened to the Aboriginal people, but that an apology-and recognition of the suffering these people endured-should come from the government, followed by compensation and community based healing programs, such as those that are apparently about to be implemented in Canada.
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Well, I don't know what you're trying to get at here but I seem to be referring to an apology and compensation from the government NOT the individual, so what, exactly, is your point? Oh yeah, it would appear that you don't actually have one...

I guess it really does pay to read things just that little bit more carefully lest you end up looking like an idiot...

"Awesome"...=D
 
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So the entire indigenous population gets an apology from the Federal Government, The Crown and every single descendant of the settling colonies. The apology is written and printed in newspapers, broadcast on TV and the radio plus they register www.sorry.gov.au - so every single base is covered. What happens next???

Please someone tell me

Whats done is done
 
Last chance on this thread.

I'd like to think the issue can be discussed without the mudslinging. Go on, you know you want to prove me right...


I know that there will always be contention (in some people's minds) about whether the government should say sorry, or the true extent of impact of the stolen generation etc. However, surely everyone can acknowledge that right now, for whatever reasons, the socio-economic status of Aboriginal people is an absolute disgrace. Moving forward, what do you think can be done?
 
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re-opening this thread is a waste of time, everything has been discussed and everyone fits into three categories

* 'we gotta say sorry', but i have no idea on what to do after that. (e.g. the thread starter)
* the 'ill accept that aboriginals had a rough time, but i've never had a good experience with one in my entire life' crowd (e.g. me)
* trolls

just close it already
 
lostpunk5545 said:
Despite your stereotyping I have some ideas and offered some.
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name the page and i'll be happy to retract your name. and your post about how we need to adapt parts of their culture into our own really doesn't count.
 
The first page. The only workable solution in my mind is to actually ask the Aboriginal people what they want instead of just throwing money at them and telling them what they should be doing.

Then maybe listening to them and taking their ideas on board. That may require lifestyle changes of our own. Give and take you know? It is their country after all.
 
ergh, why do i even bother?
let me rephrase

a WORKABLE idea, rather than white australia acting as santa's lap and asking the children what they want on the 25th
 
You couldn't exactly come up with a workable option either. Your solution is integrate or cease to exist? Like that's ever going to happen.

My solution is the only one that is going to ever work facing the facts that Aboriginals are actually people with minds of their own. Thinking, feeling, humans. Not lawn gnomes to be manipulated as you please.
 
.............have you actually read this thread, besides the cat pictures i posted on page 3?
 
why do you people even bother arguing, you cant change anything. your just a small group of people with no power at all. why bother arguing over something that you cant controll?
 
(preacha) Yes. You offered some interesting ideas for economic and social assimilation.

You seem to forget that Aboriginals might not exactly want to drop everything and open shop whoring cultural wares. It's hardly the respectful solution for continuation of a 60 000 year old culture is it?

Fourstring this is the last time I am ever going to address you on this board. Most people have a reasonable level of intelligence. They think about things and sometimes like to discuss and argue about them. Now can you kindly stay the fuck out?
 
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you keep on referring to 'culture' and how capitalism isn't part of the aboriginal culture

question:

do you believe that the aboriginal's lack of sophistication by the colonist standards was due to their wishes for affinity with the earth, or just a lack of evolution when compared to other races?
 
I wouldn't call it a lack of evolution, just an alternative one. There is no right or wrong in evolution.

Europeans have always had a pretty much slash and burn policy as far as exploitation of their environment has gone. I can't offer any substantive proof but I have a feeling that given non intervention a technologically advanced Aboriginal culture may still have been more harmonious with nature.

It's hard to tell. I mean look at Chimpanzees and Bonobos. Very closely related but yet completely different in their approaches to life.

There is evidence to suggest that Aboriginals evolved for the last 50 000 years completely seperately to the rest of Homo sapiens. Who knows how they would have evolved given time away from everyone else?

Aboriginals 'out of Africa' too…

As an argument over the evolutionary ancestry of Australian Aborigines is settled, it has emerged that the health care they receive lags 100 years behind white Australians.

A report presented to a World Health Organization meeting in Adelaide last week showed that Aboriginal health is on a par with that of Australia's white population before the advent of penicillin. Aborigines still suffer from diseases long eradicated in developed nations, such as leprosy and tuberculosis. Average life expectancy in some areas is as low as 33 for Aboriginal men, the report found.

Meanwhile, a new genetic analysis quashes the suggestion of some anthropologists that Australian Aborigines evolved separately from the rest of the human species. It found a genetic link between Aborigines and the natives of Papua New Guinea, suggesting that the two peoples split from a single group that emerged from Africa 50,000 years ago, says Peter Forster of the University of Cambridge. Once settled in Australia, the Aborigines continued to evolve in isolation, independently developing characteristic features such as a prominent brow (Proceedings of the National of Academy of Sciences, DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0702928104).

Anthropologists had speculated that early Aborigines had bred with surviving members of Homo erectus in Australia, says Forster, but the new research places Aborigines in the same "out of Africa" group as all other humans.

From issue 2603 of New Scientist magazine, 12 May 2007, page 5
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lostpunk5545 said:
I wouldn't call it a lack of evolution, just an alternative one. There is no right or wrong in evolution.

Europeans have always had a pretty much slash and burn policy as far as exploitation of their environment has gone. I can't offer any substantive proof but I have a feeling that given non intervention a technologically advanced Aboriginal culture may still have been more harmonious with nature.

It's hard to tell. I mean look at Chimpanzees and Bonobos. Very closely related but yet completely different in their approaches to life.

There is evidence to suggest that Aboriginals evolved for the last 50 000 years completely seperately to the rest of Homo sapiens. Who knows how they would have evolved given time away from everyone else?
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so so so so so SOOOO correct :)

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Originally Posted by lostpunk5545
I wouldn't call it a lack of evolution, just an alternative one. There is no right or wrong in evolution.
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i'll completely agree, but life isn't as simple as allowing each individual culture to grow in a bubble until they grow to 'fruition'. we're human, we borrow aspects from each other's culture, we share knowledge

we also weed out the weak

if it wasn't the whites, it would have been someone else.
because aboriginal society was weaker
and it would have turned out exactly the same way regardless of how arrived first because of australia's isolation from the rest of the world, whereas in africa and europe multitudes of different cultures borrowed off each other and also fought against each other, becoming more 'advanced' at a quicker rate.

it's too late now anyway, what's done is done.

the main point is that no culture on earth chooses to regress, and the chances of mass australian society choosing to adopt parts of aboriginal culture is nil
 
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Unfortunately you're right. But overall as a species we'll eventually learn to get along with each other and this planet or we'll perish. There's no two ways about it.

Maybe the best possible thing that can come out of modern society is a self induced ice age. Whoever survives will have to learn some lessons.
 
or in the battle to survive te reason for the battle for survival will be forgotten and we will be doomed to repeat the cycle.
:(
damn....sounding a bit sci fi there now!
;)
 
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