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The Indigenous Australian thread

Ok, I've cleaned up a heap of posts from last night and am re-opening the thread. Some people have made some excellent contributions here and I'd like to see that continue. I don't care which side of the argument you fall on, there are ways of putting your point of view out there without resorting to the immature BS that was displayed here.

ANY further racist imagery/language, off topic comments or name calling will result in official warnings.
 
the bit about the lack of imagination about the possibilities is what strikes me in what you posted ayjay, thanks...
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if you can think of it it might be...
so totally idealistic and utopian as preacha I think said, however unlike them I seriously think that if you don't try and think this way and aim for the best possible solution you will end up having a pretty ordinary world...
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sorry this thread has been so edited mostly for the best however some of your comments preacha I can't see so excuse me if I misquote you or if it was someone else...
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^ trust me, the comments that were deleted weren't really quotable
 
I think Aboriginals need to help themselves.. you can lead a horse to water but you can;t make it drink. You can give them all the free houses, cheap rent, free entry to uni but that hasn't worked in the past .....

Oh and the stolen generation.... you want me to say sorry? you can get FKD!
 
downunder83 said:
Oh and the stolen generation.... you want me to say sorry? you can get FKD!
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Oh the empathy.

Anyway, on that topic, I'm honestly not sure about the stolen generation these days. As a moral concept the entire thing is kind of abhorrent but can it be looked at as an ends justify the means situation? I base this on absolutely noting solid... but I have a feeling that members of the stolen generation may have been better equipped to integrate into white culture. Anyone got an opinion on that?

I ask this because I believe there were calls by our dear tory rag, The West Australian, to remove aboriginal kids from troubled communities. If they are put into decent foster care then this could certainly help break the poverty and illiteracy cycle. Which I personally think is a very good idea. Its just the methodology that is concerning.
 
yossarian_is_sane! said:
Oh the empathy.

Anyway, on that topic, I'm honestly not sure about the stolen generation these days. As a moral concept the entire thing is kind of abhorrent but can it be looked at as an ends justify the means situation? I base this on absolutely noting solid... but I have a feeling that members of the stolen generation may have been better equipped to integrate into white culture. Anyone got an opinion on that?

I ask this because I believe there were calls by our dear tory rag, The West Australian, to remove aboriginal kids from troubled communities. If they are put into decent foster care then this could certainly help break the poverty and illiteracy cycle. Which I personally think is a very good idea. Its just the methodology that is concerning.
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State intervention into family life, such as removal of children, is always fraught with difficulty. I'm not sure whether it's just in NSW or nationwide, but there's extensive research being undertaken into homeless people at the moment. One of the findings has been that a significant proportion of homeless people had spent time in foster care. Even disregarding the issues of abuses etc that sometimes happen in foster care, 'decent' foster carers can often struggle to adequately manage the problems that arise from dislocation from a person's real family. This is something which does not solely impact tha Aboriginal community.

The negative impact of the stolen generation on Aboriginal people has been wide reaching and I find it hard to believe that any sane person would suggest that this sort of path should be taken again.
 
I dont think any of us need to say sorry because we were not the ones that did it. But the Australian aboriginals did have it tuff and cheap houses and study and everything is not the way to fix it!! It needs to start with the children if we can give the kids the same education as westerner and imigrant children they have a better chance at getting a good job and turning around all the negative connatations of their culture.

Some people dont understand why they need help with education but what needs to be rememebred is that these kids grandparents and sumtimes even parents lived in an era where education was used against them. Education was used to relocate the Aboriginals, it was used to select which children should be take (stolen children) the kids were often put on the opposite side of the room and the teacher refused to teach them. These negative experiences filter through to the current children and they feel that education is nothing because thats how their grand parents and parents have felt and how they were treated. It takes 4 generations to fix cultural opinions that means we need to work to fix the Aboriginal and then we need to work to fix everyone elses negative opinions of them.


I had someone say to me the other day "our natives werent like the american indians because our natives werent civilised" Thats these negative issues that are being handed down generation to generation and they happen on both sides the Aboriginals hand down opinions like, all "whites" are bad as long as these continue the situation will never get better.
 
Well thats it treating one race better than the rest will not help them in the long term.... I dont have a solution to why they are so poor and bad in Australia but i would say is that we should start treating them equally.
 
Well yes, that would be a great start. If we can get rates of Aboriginal literacy to where they are equal to whites, and if we can get the average Aboriginal life expectancy up from 3rd world levels to join the rest of Australia, we might have a more equal footing!

It makes me sick that people still carry on about Aboriginals getting more than them. Given the socio-economic realities most young Aboriginals face, it'll take a whole lot more than the token efforts we currently give to even come close to equality.

As for "going to Alice Springs", you are aware, downunder83, that pre-European settlement the greatest densities and most complex Aboriginal societies were on the Eastern seaboard, where the land is most fertile, water the most available and the quality of life was highest?

Educate yourself.
 
Well FFS tell them to move them there then if you care about them so much... Nothing is going to change history but we should start considering calling them aussies instead of Indigenous aussies.... its almost like they are different from the rest of us. And to be honest i am pissed off at the fact that they get free houses and entry to uni and stuff like that.. it only creates more racism from jealous people.
 
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downunder83 said:
... it only creates more racism from jealous people.
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Yeah, obviously...

Seriously dude, it's quite apparent that you have absolutely no concept of the problems that indigenous people face, and until you do, your feeble, uneducated opinions don't mean shit...
 
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As this thread has so clearly demonstrated I don't even bother trying to talk about aboriginal issues with most people because most Australians are so incredibly bigoted and predjudiced that I feel ASHAMED that we are apart of this same country.
 
getyourselfhigh200 said:
As this thread has so clearly demonstrated I don't even bother trying to talk about aboriginal issues with most people because most Australians are so incredibly bigoted,stupid and predjudiced that I feel ASHAMED that we are apart of this same country.
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Exactly how I feel too :( .
 
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