Then ask a anticonvulstant + seroquel or something, should be easy to get and youll be protected against seizures perhaps able to get some sleep too.
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Then ask a anticonvulstant + seroquel or something, should be easy to get and youll be protected against seizures perhaps able to get some sleep too.
McPanda
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In my experience doctors in the UK (if thats where Bigbrown is from) are pretty useless and dont know much atall about GBL, well in my experience.
How long have you been dosing for Bigbrown and has it been 24/7 ?
I was dosing about 30-40ml a day 24/7 for about 2 months. I had some serious withdrawals but that was also on top of a Diaz habbit.
You may feel like your going insane and the world is against you but it does pass. Everyone is different though. If you are worried, defo make an emergency appointment with a doctor. I would also let someone close to you know what your going through, I had no support and was totally left to my own devices. I was a very lonley horrible time for me personally.
How long have you been dosing for Bigbrown and has it been 24/7 ?
I was dosing about 30-40ml a day 24/7 for about 2 months. I had some serious withdrawals but that was also on top of a Diaz habbit.
You may feel like your going insane and the world is against you but it does pass. Everyone is different though. If you are worried, defo make an emergency appointment with a doctor. I would also let someone close to you know what your going through, I had no support and was totally left to my own devices. I was a very lonley horrible time for me personally.
what is the chance of seizuring, im very shakey, i guess its pretty low? and yes i did 24/7 for some time, Im not full on hallucinating but do have like some open eye visuals, pretty scared tbh.
just took a beta blocker, feel terrible and felt like my left arm was going a bit numb, worst WD iive ever been through
just took a beta blocker, feel terrible and felt like my left arm was going a bit numb, worst WD iive ever been through
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Its not low, its a real possibility when withdrawing from downers, trust me its in your best intrest to try and get a anticonvulsant. Also try to get seroquel to knock you out, a beta blocker is good to keep your heartrate down.
Yes, but switching a GBL addiction for a alcohol addiction doesnt sound like the best idea (in fact even worse).
McPanda
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TBH I think your maybe scaring the poster a bit with the seizuring. In all the posts and content ive read of GBL withdrawal ive never noticed it being such a big issue. Yes it can happen but it's quite rare. I never had any issues with seizures and neither did a few people I know that came off it and they were on ALOT higher doses than me for longer.
How long have you been 24/7 dosing ?
Also regarding the alcohol, no-one is saying get an alcohol addiction, but a bottle of vodka or hard liquor will help you in the next few days. Dont get drunk, but maybe 3/4 vodkas will take the edge of it.
Make sure to drink plenty water and try and get some multi vitimans down you.
TBH I think your maybe scaring the poster a bit with the seizuring. In all the posts and content ive read of GBL withdrawal ive never noticed it being such a big issue. Yes it can happen but it's quite rare. I never had any issues with seizures and neither did a few people I know that came off it and they were on ALOT higher doses than me for longer.
How long have you been 24/7 dosing ?
Also regarding the alcohol, no-one is saying get an alcohol addiction, but a bottle of vodka or hard liquor will help you in the next few days. Dont get drunk, but maybe 3/4 vodkas will take the edge of it.
Make sure to drink plenty water and try and get some multi vitimans down you.
Baclofen easy to get in the UK?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630388/
A much better alternative to alcohol.
Were on a harm reduction board, so downsizing the risk isnt a good idea either, anticonvulsants arent hard to get so why not tell ppl its important to have them around.
I have no idea how big the incidence of those problems is tough, even if you and your friends didnt see anything bad happening it could be a big enough risk worth warning about, but feel free to correct me, ive got no idea wheter there's an extremely small risk or not.
McPanda
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This is entirely depended on dosage and how long the person has been dosing. The OP may have only been dosing 10-15ml a day 24/7 for a few weeks. Obviously they will experience withdrawals but its not going to be life threatening.
This is entirely depended on dosage and how long the person has been dosing. The OP may have only been dosing 10-15ml a day 24/7 for a few weeks. Obviously they will experience withdrawals but its not going to be life threatening.
MeDieVal can I also ask your opinion about my question above:
I'm wondering if my recent accidents mean that a) frequency of these situations makes reoccurence more likely, perhaps the heart is more strained and therefore b) my heart is becoming less able to cope with it.
Thanks
I'm wondering if my recent accidents mean that a) frequency of these situations makes reoccurence more likely, perhaps the heart is more strained and therefore b) my heart is becoming less able to cope with it.
Thanks
That's completely untrue. GBL/GHB are very gentle on the liver. The dehydration thing though, and other stuff, I've experienced. It removes my desire to drink fluids.
I'll answer it. It's nothing to do with your heart. It's more like your brain is responding differently, in a tolerance kind of way. Your heart hasn't caused any of the situations.
im at somewhere between 12-15 hours in, i take it its probably peaked? tommorow morning im hoping i feel better than today. All im doing is drinking chamoille tea but nothing else to help.
oh and i was 24/7 for ages plus ive withdrawn about 10 times before (when will i learn), this is the worst have pretty much full on morphing of objects, perception is fucked.
oh and i was 24/7 for ages plus ive withdrawn about 10 times before (when will i learn), this is the worst have pretty much full on morphing of objects, perception is fucked.
McPanda
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dude, telling us you were dosing 24/7 for ages is hardly an answer. What's your daily amount and how long in days/weeks have you been dosing 24/7 ?
Personally I had the worst effects on day 2 (about 20 hours after last dose)
Personally I had the worst effects on day 2 (about 20 hours after last dose)
guys both my hands are freezing cold, left arm numb and a heavy squeezing sensation in my left side of chest and neck, WD couldnt make me think im having a heart attack could it. Im scared shitless its been getting worse all day and the nearest hospital is miles.
okie there are lots of things this could be, and an anxiety/panic attack is definitely the most likely i would say. they can easily recreate the symptoms of a heart attack, especially once you start wondering if that is what it is. i can't think of any reason why withdrawing from g could bring on a heart attack (anyone?), and they are really pretty rare in young people unless you have underlying heart problems or are caning coke stupidly.. so your risk depends really on your age, risk factors, underlying conditions and if you've been taking anything bad for the heart.
indigestion can mimic heart attacks pretty closely (and cold hands are common and may not be associated with anything at all or may be linked to anxiety) so could be that too. and sometimes people just get random aches and pains as well, especially when withdrawing from something, and its easy to fit strange and harmless symptoms into scary medical conditions, believe me!
however. its not really safe to advise anyone to ignore symptoms like yours despite the extreme unliklihood of it being a heart attack, just because if it was a heart attack you'd need treatment asap - and i don't know whether you have extra risk factors or not. and most importantly it would probably put your mind at rest to get it checked out. better safe than sorry really, and its clearly worrying you a lot. it really is hard to advise safely and sensibly without knowing more though. its a few hours since you posted this, how you doing now? if you are still getting the symptoms, would you consider seeing a doc? maybe take a mate along for moral support if you are feeling rough?
indigestion can mimic heart attacks pretty closely (and cold hands are common and may not be associated with anything at all or may be linked to anxiety) so could be that too. and sometimes people just get random aches and pains as well, especially when withdrawing from something, and its easy to fit strange and harmless symptoms into scary medical conditions, believe me!
however. its not really safe to advise anyone to ignore symptoms like yours despite the extreme unliklihood of it being a heart attack, just because if it was a heart attack you'd need treatment asap - and i don't know whether you have extra risk factors or not. and most importantly it would probably put your mind at rest to get it checked out. better safe than sorry really, and its clearly worrying you a lot. it really is hard to advise safely and sensibly without knowing more though. its a few hours since you posted this, how you doing now? if you are still getting the symptoms, would you consider seeing a doc? maybe take a mate along for moral support if you are feeling rough?
65daysofstatic
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Tom I hope you're ok now, when will you learn eh? You're worse than me man.
When you do GBL again (lets be honest you will) get 50ml next time! I think you're like me in that your gaba history is so severe that abusing any gaba substance even with a break gets nasty, nasty results.
When you do GBL again (lets be honest you will) get 50ml next time! I think you're like me in that your gaba history is so severe that abusing any gaba substance even with a break gets nasty, nasty results.
Haven't been here for ages. Surprised to see so many still taking GBL since the ban. Used to have it multiple times every day for years. Haven't touched it in nearly a year - hope this means the "magic" would come back if I did have some soon :D
Cool to see you here again Treacle
To those mentioning German and Chinese GBL - I didn't know there was a difference? I've only ever had the Chinese stuff and it was about 99.9% pure if I remember the label correctly.
Also twitching was funny to me. After I'd dosed (2 - 2.5ml) one of my eyes would only feel comfortable to close and my fingers would involuntarily twitch and close windows if I was using my laptop :D
Cool to see you here again Treacle
To those mentioning German and Chinese GBL - I didn't know there was a difference? I've only ever had the Chinese stuff and it was about 99.9% pure if I remember the label correctly.
Also twitching was funny to me. After I'd dosed (2 - 2.5ml) one of my eyes would only feel comfortable to close and my fingers would involuntarily twitch and close windows if I was using my laptop :D
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last night spent all night tripping looking at insects in my room, the chest pain has slowly got worse, i havent slept at all, all night was getting this crushing pain in my chest and arm and still do, yet as im wding heavily and no sleep for some reason im scared to call an ambulance, this is fucking ridiculous lol. Starting to feel so out of it i can barely talk ill probably get put in the nuthouse even though im genuinely in pain lol.
do you have a friend you could get to come over? i still think heart attack is v unlikely especially as it has gone on for so long now without you keeling over but you are clearly in a lot of pain and distress and i really think it would be sensible to get some help with this.
don't be scared about calling an ambulance if you feel poorly enough to need one, they will have seen everything before and can check you over to a certain degree in your home even if you decide you can't face a trip to hospital. they would be able to do a heart tracing and check your pulse and BP at the very least. i can understand why you are anxious about it, i would be too, and home may well be the best place for your current state of mind.. but at the same time things seem to be getting worse for you there, so maybe time for a change of plan? second opinions are often useful so i would definitely get a mate to pop round and see you if possible. take care and i hope things ease up soon..
don't be scared about calling an ambulance if you feel poorly enough to need one, they will have seen everything before and can check you over to a certain degree in your home even if you decide you can't face a trip to hospital. they would be able to do a heart tracing and check your pulse and BP at the very least. i can understand why you are anxious about it, i would be too, and home may well be the best place for your current state of mind.. but at the same time things seem to be getting worse for you there, so maybe time for a change of plan? second opinions are often useful so i would definitely get a mate to pop round and see you if possible. take care and i hope things ease up soon..
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