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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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Everyone is different. That is the basic fact.

A healthy diet and non abuse/addiction of other downers would quite possibly give you a better chance at greatly reduced withdrawals.

Consider that GHB is in your body naturally. It would make sense that some people can get addicted to taking it a lot, while others don't. Also withdrawals would be different too.

For instance if I were to start back up on it I would be taking up to 30ml a day and the longer it went on the worse the withdrawals would be. And I would be using it to sleep.

I know of people who have smoked heroin on and off for years, but never got a proper rattle, whilst others chip away for a month and then find they can't go more than 48 hours without at least .1g, or they feel that the withdrawal is too much.

In general things like heroin and GBL will catch up to most people eventually and they'll find out what withdrawal of something is like. But there are the odd few people who seem not to get a whiff.

Just like some people think coke is the best drug ever and everyone else who takes drugs thinks they are way wrong. We are all different.
 
Been clean since wednesday and feeling good! Pretty much stopped all my drug use just done a couple of Tramadol's and shared a J with a mate to ease my cold haha. Pretty damn pleased with myself! =D Thanks to people here who gave me some good advice <3
 
Told you it wouldn't be an issue. I know how easy it is to convince yourself that you have/might get withdrawal symptoms. :)
 
Yeah you where definitely right! :) I think it helped I got a cold at the same time because any WD symptoms I might have got where mixed with cold symptoms so I felt bad anyways and just slept all day in bed haha.
 
I have to say Treacle you've made a massive contribution to harm reduction in this thread and for that I commend you. <3
 
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I have to say Treacle you've made a massive contribution to harm reduction in this thread and for that I commend you. <3
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QFT - totally <3

Thanks to Treacle for his time and obviously his experience of ups and downs with G that give us this.
 
Ha, no problem. My abuse came at a price, and I'm happy to help others out of the shit, because I know how easy it is to get sucked in. :)
 
Gbl advice

Hi all, new member, just joined to ask for some advice on my relationship with gbl.

Has been my drug of choice since mid-2009. Use was only at weekends until my move from the UK to a certain city on the continent earlier this year. Of course I took the opportunity to obtain door to door service at 1l a time (sometimes feel like this is the drug we've all been waiting for, it must be utopia)...the reason for my move was to change my lifestyle from 9-5 soul destruction to utter freedom...which worked. Now with minimum working hours, a truly indulgent array of clubs and music, and a fuck load of g, my lifestyle has changed in other ways. I've been averaging around 50mls a week, sometimes 7 days a week but sometimes only fri-mon. Dose between 1.3 and 2.4 (usually 1.8-2). Stopped dosing during the nights but will take before bed after partying...usually solely down to efficacy of obtaining sleep after amphetmines (plus great excuse to take my dose up to 2.5- perfectly safe to turn myself into a wild animal in the confines of my own bed- especially if not alone as we all know, thank you g ;)). When I have stopped for a few days I have trouble sleeping, and ringing in the ears when I'm near an electrical appliance (including trams), but nothing that I would describe as withdrawal symptoms such as I have read here. Plus I was not dosing 24/7.

I didn't feel like a had a problem, but now I am wondering. I have lost control in clubs a few times now and been thrown out, which gets more extreme each time. A month ago I remember running about the place shouting "fuck", for about 15 minutes until they caught me...5 people held me down (I'm only 8 stone) and I'm pretty sure they injected me but cannot be certain. Woke up 3 hours later on a drip, bruises everywhere, a lot of heart monitors stuck to me. What happened was a mistake with timing (was also on speed, mdma, k, mephedrone but not down to mixing). However this morning this happened again and it was not timing. I'd had 2mls around 1 hour before (and a few 1.5-1.8 doses during the previous 8 hours), then had another ml, and then I can't remember anything after 5 mins until 3 hours later. Never had such an extreme reaction from 1ml (interestingly I got a new batch in not long before hospital experience). So when I came to I was being sick in a park, my poor friend had managed to persuade the security to not call the ambulance (thank fuck as I have no insurance...really don't want bill number 2) but she describes it as a traumatic situation, during which I had bitten her repeatedly, had been shouting "fuck" at such a volume as to have beaten the speakers, and was turning round in in circles on the ground like something from the exorcist. She says it was obvious that I couldn't hear or understand her, I was basically like an animal.

Ok so what I want from g is the state just before this unfortunate one takes over. Music and dancing, need I say more. It also gives me incredible social freedom and allows me to interact with more people (although of course when they see me in above state they bid me farewell!). Big fan of home use also... and can find it gives me an immense emotional release when needed.

G is the latest in a 10 or so year pattern of "drug of choice"...k would still be it if its sources were more reliable and durable. So now I'm wondering if this one might be the last, i.e. is this going to kill me? What can I replace it with? Also have long-standing mental illness issues, and on-off contact with psyshologists, predominantly paranoia and psychosis peaking with aural hallucinations (yes interesting issue with drug use and mental illness, chicken or the egg blabla, but not one I wish to discuss here please...have tried anti-psychotics, how horrendous I couldn't get even get out of bed). Psychosis is the only thing I was confirmed with, because I have such a degree of reflection over my delusions as being perhaps not real, that they cannot class me as having a complete break with reality (i.e. schizophrenia). So drug use is partly self meds, especially k...but I will also readily take acid for example which I know has a big mental risk for me- I sort of regard it as a challenge, and even if I do have a bad trip I feel like I was stronger to deal with it than last time, and that I'm mentally advancing. Silly me! =D What I am trying to say is that it is highly unlikely that I will stop regular usage...but do I continue with g? Try and replace it? G on the other hand seems to totally kill paranoia and induce the opposite...which makes me think it is a pretty good choice for me. However I'm wondering if my recent accidents mean that a) frequency of these situations makes reoccurence more likely, perhaps the heart is more strained and therefore b) my heart is becoming less able to cope with it. Plus I cannot expect my friend (or anyone else) to continue to want to spend time with me if this is what they're faced with.

Thank you for reading my post and I look forward to hearing your opinions...
 
Ive been to hell and back with GBL.

It sounds like your asking for advice on how to dose properly and/or a replacement ? Surely if you have been in these situations it would be enough to make you seriously considering stopping ? Next time your mate might not be so helpful and you could end up in jail, being seriously injured, sectioned or.... well I don't think I have to say.

You can't mask life with drugs, they may make you feel better in situations and give you more confidence but those effects are only going to last for a while. Also remember when you think your more confident etc others might see it totally different. When I was abusing benzo's I thought I was more mellow and chilled out, but apparently I was just a zombie for 2 years that flew off the handle at the slightest things and slurred my speech etc at everything. I was constantly told this at the time but didnt believe it. Its not until 1 year on I can see how different I was acting.

Im not here to tell you what to do but have you thought about giving drugs a rest and seeing how you really feel and maybe addressing your issues with professional help ?

good luck and welcome to Bluelight
 
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Yeah I've learned the hard way that recreational drug use is no solution to anything. I was on a path of constant binge drinking, all day GBL, stims all weekend. Thought I was fine but I cringe looking back.

Try to keep drugs to just a couple of nights a week or something. When I first started GBL over 2 years ago I'd do it about 3 nights a week and it was great. Have maybe 2ml, then 1ml an hour later. Now though if I bought a bottle I would just keep redosing till its finished and you dont even feel good anymore. It fucks your body too, my liver was taking a beating, I was constantly dehydrated, I was constantly binge eating etc. Made me really aggressive and self asorbed too. The first dose of the day would lift my mood and make me quite chatty but before you know it no dose does anything other than make you groggy.

Also be warned with GBL, although the gaba b receptor is meant to recover fast, I find GBL withdrawal to be a very, very long process i.e. weeks. I don't get the extreme dilerium or panic attacks some people get but I do get huge periods of agitation and awful depression. I'm 5 weeks clean from 24/7 GBL use and still don't really feel properly back to normal. The really weird thing about it is I don't miss it whatsover, yet if I had a bottle here in my room I'd be immediately dosing...

But needless to say, I'll probably be back in this topic in a couple of months right back in the midst of near 20ml per day addiction lulzzzzz.

One final thing - at first glance GBL appears to be a wonder drug. The lack of hangover, quick and good effects etc and seemingly no major ill effects other than addiction. The more you get into it though the more you realise that there is a ridiculous amount of bad points about this drug.
 
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Ive said this before in the other thread, but with GBL its EXTREMELY important not to use it for sleep, and also not to use it from early morning on, once you start doing those your on the road to addiction, however if you avoid those you can use ALOT of GBL a day without addiction, atleast in my experience (ive been using GBL since 2008 and and off).

I am mentally addicted to GBL tough, i miss it like crazy when i dont have it, and also really miss it on other days where i'm high on other drugs, i want my bottle near me, but by staying consistent and never using it for sleep, or taking it the first thing in the morning, physical GBL addiction stayed just a concept for me.
 
The 2 things i found to be of crucial importance:

- Set limits for yourself, but dont set pathetic limits (eg 3 doses a day or something, if you have an addictive personality like me there's no way you can use as little, however if you force yourself to not use it before 3 o clock in the afternoon for example, but then then allow yourself to take as much as you want, its FAR more easier to keep yourself to your own limits, set them so you can satisfy yourself with your own use, and then you dont have as much need to use more.

- NEVER take GBL for sleep, never never never, use a high dose of zolpidem or something, and NEVER take it from early morning.
 
woke up today ran out of my 100ml bottle as this is like the tenth bottle ive been through withdrawals have come back hard, have minor visuals too, all i got are beta blockers which help somewhat but other than that i just need to wait it out :(
 
You cant just demand answers. Why dont you read through this whole thread ? Thats why its here.

Phenibut or maybe some Benzo's will help. If you don't have these to hand then there's not much else I can add to what's already in this thread. Maybe face it and ride it out ? It took me 3/4 days and it was awful but when you have no G or benzo's etc its all you can do.

Good luck
 
Isnt' alcohol helpful in these cases? (it's a layman's question).
 
You can get seizures if you dont have benzo's, go to a doc and just ask a benzo script for 2 weeks, explain your situation, cold turkey gbl withdrawal is dangerous, or atleast try to get another anti convulsant.
 
docs wont give me benzos anymore due to past addiction. Ill get through it, never again buying gbl lol.
 
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