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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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*awaits Treacle to chime in on the joys of stims + guice*
Fucking brilliant. It's easy to overdo the G though, and end up passing out for a few hours, no matter how much stimulant you have taken. G goes with everything, in moderation, but shines when taken with stimulants. G and speed is insanely good.
 
I've had to give mine(0.5L too risky more than anything else plus some busy stuff to get on with moving soon) to a mate to look after for a few weeks 8) Oh well, less is more, gonna set up a decent, low dose, most days, regime if it's the last thing I do, quite simply too cost effective and in the warmer weather so much fun just walking round chilling and interacting on those nice 1/1.5 type doses. Found this latest stuff weirdly extra potent too, or maybe the last was shyte, just reminded me of the vast leaps it can take, with a slight purity issue, my own fault should always test each new batch regardless.
 
This thread is fantastic.

This addiction crept up on me. For some reason I missed all of the dangers(or actively ignored them) when researching for my daily usage. I thought GBL was too good to be true when I first discovered it. Turned out, it was. 24/7 use just kind of happened. I'm not getting any sleep, like two hours at a time. I've had some success spacing my doses out, and taking smaller amounts. What is the best method for tapering? Quick and dirty, or a long slow process? If i draw it out enough, could I avoid withdrawals altogether? I may end up ordering phenibut, but I want to be extremely cautious of trading one addiction for another. Will I be able to sleep on phenibut? How long does it last for? How long should I wait after my last dose to start tapering from phenibut? I have a giant bottle of GABA supplements, will that be useful on withdrawal?

I have no experience being addicted to a drug, so this is all scary unfamiliar territory for me. No health insurance, and I doubt I'd feel comfortable talking to a doctor about this anyway. So, as such, no access to benzos, beta blockers, or baclofen(doh!). I'm not too proud to get wrecked drunk if it will help.

This thread is great, tons of information, and I don't feel as sad and alone after reading your experiences. I appreciate how patient and non-judgmental each of you are, even in the face of some posters repeatedly making the same mistakes. and I can't tell you how great it is to not have to decipher insane paranoid "SWIM" speech.
 
Just thought i'd share my experience. Started a new litre bottle recently and after getting half way through, kept needed to increase my dosage. Soon it stopped working so I tried a taper...didn't work and didn't end up sleeping for 2 days. At this point I was going out my fucking mind, layed out in bed, auditory hallucinations, unable to concentrate and hopelessly unrestless.

Then I just thought fuck it and took about 30ml in one go, thinking maybe itwould help get my head down and give me a bit of peace. Next thing I remember was being restrained by the paramedics riding my way to the hospital. I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or not but as soon as they shot me up with some clonezepam I knew what was what.

The day before, having admitted to my parents about my GBL problem they unexpectedly came up to visit only to find me lying in a puddle of piss and completely unwakeable. I'm thinking I would have awoken normally after passing out from too much but my parents knowing nothing about the substance called the ambulance. I guess I must be lucky because apparently my heart stopped on the ride to the hospital.

Spent 2 days in ICU feeling like a fucking fraud taking up bed space because I couldn't handle myself. Ended up being put on a diazepam taper which finished yesterday. I'm also going through drug counseling but the thought of touching gb again just makes me feel sick. My only concern is I have nothing in my pocket, i'm aware i'm going to experience some horrible anxiety but i'm keeping busy with exercise which I hope will help.

Anyway, just thought i'd share my gbhell and hope those of you struggling make it through. Thanks.
 
30ml in 1 go? Whaaat?

GBL is safe in controlled amounts but high amounts have significant cns depression and seizures can be common. Plus passing out completely on any drug in an uncontrolled environment brings up the risks of choking on vomit (especially after 30ml of GBL) and swallowing your tongue.
 
30ml is a rough estimate but I think it was close to that. Yes I know it was stupid, call it weakness if you like but I was at my wits end and tbh I didn't really think about the consequences. I just wanted to get my head back.

I'd been able to control in the past I suppose, although if you think about it 24hr dosing isn't really control. I guess this withdrawal really took me by surprise and I thought that since my regular dosing wasn't having any effect I'd just hammer it...big mistake. :(
 
What is the best method for tapering? Quick and dirty, or a long slow process? If i draw it out enough, could I avoid withdrawals altogether? I may end up ordering phenibut, but I want to be extremely cautious of trading one addiction for another. Will I be able to sleep on phenibut? How long does it last for? How long should I wait after my last dose to start tapering from phenibut? I have a giant bottle of GABA supplements, will that be useful on withdrawal?
Tapering doesn't work, in my opinion. Others may disagree. It's dragging out something that gets worse and worse, until you finally cave in and take a decent dose to sort your withdrawals out. Then you're back to square one. Don't bother.

Phenibut will get you to sleep on the first night. It will stop the withdrawals almost completely. Start with two grammes, and have a few beers (if you fancy it, don't drink a bottle of vodka like I used to do - HR). That should see you through the night. It takes two hours to kick in, and lasts ages. Don't take it longer than two days, and taper it fast. Don't take stupid doses. Phenibut withdrawal is absolute hell.

Your GABA supplements will do fuck all. :)

Hope I've helped.
 
i haven't read thru the thread.. been doing gb on and off daily for 2-3 years i think.. only evenings and between 2-8 ml depending on how i'm feeling, whether its a weekend etc.. i'm not planning to go cold turkey but i need to stop soon as i maybe have a choice between significant other and drugs in general.. i know what i'd rather choose, happiness...

whats the likelihood of any withdrawels? i know it can happen with repeated usage throughout the day but i wasn't sure about my case ?
 
I'm the same as you androoo. I enjoy my geebie in the evenings. I can get through a bit, very little or none at all depending on how I feel.

We ran out and just chose not to get anymore for a wee while. I didnt suffer any W/D's. But each person is different. Perhaps its a psychological thing for some or maybe even genetic make up or personal body chemistry.

It would seem, if you read this thread, that the folk who get W/D's differ greatly in how much they take and for how long. Its very personal IMO.

yeah.. i think its going to be more psychological for me then anything, i hope so. i pefer gb over alcohol any day of the week, except maybe lunchtimes at work.. pint and burger is perfect..

but its removed my beer gut i briefly had, i don't do silly drunken things... i don't g/rinse out like everyone else i know.. its gonna be a sad day.. but the things people do for love aye!
 
cheers :) i done the whole daily spliff, pint of lager quiting etc... not quite up to replacing it with the gym tho ;-)

haven't quite got to the quitting stage, it's where the boundaries of what an unacceptable drug is.. i think gb might fall in to the category but then again i'll suggest that alcohol should too... :D
 
^Exactly.

I wouldn't expect any physical withdrawal issues with stopping, androoo.
 
GBL withdrawal is very strange.

I think a lot of it depends on your previous (and current) use of other gaba substances, even if they're substance that act on different gaba receptors (alcohol, benzos etc).

You can't really define a specific amount that is safe to take without getting withdrawal. I got withdrawal very quickly, but it was at a time I was drinking quite heavily too, and I think the gaba interactions caused greater dependence. I've withdrawn many times since, but also used it many times since to a greater degree yet not got withdrawals. To be specific, the first time I felt withdrawals was the day after I had had about 10ml GBL and 500ml + Jack Daniels. The next day I woke up feeling strange with a very tight neck and tension. This feeling persisted in spells for several days. Unfortunately I didn't have benzos at the time. Previous to that binge (which now I'd consider a pretty standard or even low amount for a day's GBL) I'd just been having it nightly for a couple of weeks (or not even that).

It's a strange substance.

Don't listen to people who say 'oh you can do it every day for weeks and you'll be fine' because you might one day suddenly find yourself feeling sick as a dog with mad anxiety, tension and a ridiculously stiff neck and chest...

I saw an insightful post on drug-forum (shhh!) where someone said G is a substance best kept to a couple of times a week and no more. Regular use is really not a good road to go down and you quickly lose the buzz.

GBL used to give me euphoria not far off MDMA. If I was to have some now I'd get a brief nice buzz then just feel kind of monged out.
 
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are there any studies out there that talk about what effects it had on your insides?

i was always under the impression that if its watered down lots it isn't going to have any effect on your insides.. we all know what it does to our keyboards *sob* and various other plastic surfaces.. but people keep telling me how bad it is and i keep telling htem its not bad but i'd rather be able to show them proof..
 
oh and the 'talk' was just a reduction in overall drug use.. which is fine, my comedowns from every sort of stimulant except bzp last 4-5 days now!

but gb is one thing i haven't a problem with but its never a bad idea using it once or twice a week as opposed to every day :)
 
withdrawal

Ok, thought I could do this on my own.

I'm swallowing my pride and going to a doctor. Which prescriptions do I need to get, and why? What are the physical risks of withdrawal? I'm prepared to have to explain myself heavily, as most doctors seem to be entirely unfamiliar with GBL.

I'm in the US, and not europe.
 
update:

i think i may have over prepared myself. I bought phenibut, and got valium and propranolol from my doctor. I took enough valium to sleep through that first day of withdrawal, and by the second day i felt almost back to normal(besides napping like every five minutes). slept HEAVILY through almost all of it. one great thing, is that GBL seems to not be as psychologically addictive as it is physically. I have zero cravings.

Advice to anyone trying to quit: prepare yourself! get a benzo, and a beta blocker, and then SLEEP OFF YOUR W/D's!!

I thought my life was fucked. I thought i'd be in the hospital. i thought i might die. I have a new lease on life. I'm no longer addicted to a drug. thank you all so much, you have been such a huge help. you saved my life. this is day four, and i think the worst is over. i'll keep you updated.
 
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