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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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FWIW, I have been through a hellish detox before using valium, and it was tough but I got there. I've stupidly ended up in a similar situation, and decided to see a doctor this time. The doctor I saw wasnt too clued up, but she consulted someone who was. I was shooting for a baclofen taper, however the person she consulted with had tried it before on other patients and while finding success in some cases, in others the baclofen became more of a problem than a solution.
Anyway, she recommended B vitamins esp B1 and B12 and put me on a Librium taper. So far the Librium is being pretty effective and isnt completely zonking me out like valium does as pretty high doses are required. I'm even so far capable of doing some work
 
Went back to the doctor today for a librium refill. Also got some zolpidem as ive slept about 5 hrs in the last 4 days. Nothing new there, but the real surprise - this time rather than just being recommended it I was prescribed Thiamine (vit B1) 100mg (much larger dose than most supplements) 3 times a day. Took 2 to kick start when i got home and its made the world of difference. Nausea is reduced, i feel less shaky, palms less sweaty, auditory hallucinations are reduced. 3 days after stopping a several month round the clock habit and I'm doing ok. To all in this horrible position, load up on Thiamine!
 
You'll be sorted in a few days. That first full night of sleep is the best.
 
Yeh, been here before. I'm not despairing. This is by far the easiest WD I've done. Thoroughly recommend Librium, Thiamine (loads), diphenhydramine and ambien for sleep. I'm almost happy on day 3 which is frankly unbelievable to me
 
thank you good sir!

thank you sooooo much for your informative discussion on the combination of nyquil and booze!i am currently going through a ghb withdrawal(my first 2 week 24/7).i just had a panic attack as i've been without g for the last 3 days.i almost called my parents and girlfriend to take me to the hospital.it would've ruined my life!i'm done with this drug.it's just too good.i'm in the best shape of my life but having been without it for 3 days and feeling the way i do right now(i'm in milwaukee visiting my girl), i don't give a shit about how good i look.so i'm off to the walgreens across the street!
 
A crafty few mils lol

brokenbrain said:
Apart from the BUCKETS OF THE STUFF that you have, you sound too much like me.

You know full well EVERYONE apart from good old Shambo would be saying heave out the rest of it.....:|


To others in need;)
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=D I see your point.

I must say that I found such a good benefit from the herbalstuff (I did get the L-Tyrosine mentioned earlier which also has b vits in it) that I came of my MPT as well.

Anyway I am wondering if unless you take a long strictly sustained period off GBL you wil never get the same effects you initialy enjoyed as it's certainly not been the same for me retrying it. Even crashing when I combine with the MPT.

I don't drink or do any other drugs...............was considering trying Mephedrone whilse I laid of the GBL, any views? I have read some of the other threads but am not very chemically minded and there seems to be variants talked about which I don't know the diference of. It's just that the place I got my GBL from and know are reliable are now selling Mephedrone so I was tempted since the GBL isn't my friend at the moment :\

I figure I could try it before they ban that aswell! LOL...................what say you lot?
GBL WD's I can recommend high strength vit b complex, high strength omega 3, l-typosine and l-5htp I ended up working up to 3 times per day without valium the last time and barely noticeable side effects.

I also think some of my panic was due to the legally prescribed MPT hence stopping it as a regular med recently.

If anyone wants any info on doses etc I will check back and try to help. I got L tyrosine with b vit in it so I took a multivit instead of my b complex but if I used a lot of GBL then the b complex can be taken aswell as you will be very depleted and it comes out of the body easily with wee-ing sono side efects. Oh I also ate bananas good brain food and have magnesium and shit in them (not real shit -non technical term) - someone told me that ages ago dunno if it's true but I did get a ripe banana craving when coming off.

Am I waffling - trying to cover as much as poss but not very well huh
 
L-tyrosine is a dopamine precursor. That will certainly not help withdrawals at all.

As for taking breaks and the magic coming back; I found that just getting over the withdrawals and waiting a week, the first few doses are amazing again, but it quickly becomes the same circle of trying to feel good and stave off the withdrawals. You need good breaks. GABA-B receptors are twats, and they do not forget the shit you give them.
 
Treacle said:
L-tyrosine is a dopamine precursor. That will certainly not help withdrawals at all.
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I agree. l-tyrosine is definately a no-no. Useful for amphetamine withdrawal, def not for G...it'll make you worse.

Glad to see the B12 info has found some use. It's easy to fall into a trap with G withdrawal, thinking that symptoms are all due to the WD. However, a lot of symptoms seem to be due to malnutrition / malabsorption problems which developed during use.

Thyamin(e) (B1) will help in some cases, although i recommend hitting B12 first.
B12 + multivitamins + minerals seems to be the best way, as this includes 'normal' levels of all the other required vitamins.


For me at least, taking a specific B12 supplement had a drasic and immediate effect on WD symptoms. B12 specifically, NOT b-complex etc

Beta-blockers also help immensely...but you can't just go out and buy them.

Summary: B12 1000uG combined with 'multivitamins and minerals'
Gold standard: B12 1000uG per day. 'multi vitamins and minerals', propranolol to treat transisient tachycardia.

nigel
 
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nigel83 said:
I agree. l-tyrosine is definately a no-no. Useful for amphetamine withdrawal, def not for G...it'll make you worse.

Glad to see the B12 info has found some use. It's easy to fall into a trap with G withdrawal, thinking that symptoms are all due to the WD. However, a lot of symptoms seem to be due to malnutrition / malabsorption problems which developed during use.
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That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure if that is the case, however. Phenibut causes the same sort of withdrawal, and that doesn't delete vitamin stores, etc.
 
Treacle said:
That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure if that is the case, however. Phenibut causes the same sort of withdrawal, and that doesn't delete vitamin stores, etc.
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I can only speak for myself, but my last WD had severe tremor / 'shakiness' as one of the main effects.

This hadn't been a problem in prev WD's. Took a b12 and it was gone. It certainly won't get rid of all the symptoms, just ease some of them.

nigel
 
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I was wondering if a few days of Seroquel (Quetiapine) would help one get to sleep after ending a heavy GBL addiction?

GBL has basically taken me off a huge Diazepam and alcohol addiction. Now I'm left with just the one.

Would Quetiapine keep one asleep even with the Dopamine rebound effect that GBL can cause? Would one be able to knock oneself out - so to speak - for the few days of GBL withdrawals?
 
Darn, not even a large dose? Oh well. I suppose it couldn't hurt though. I can't say that I like seroquel at all, but it really was useful to knock you out after a prolonged stim binge or something.
 
Would Promethazine help at all in getting slightly more than two hours of sleep from a GBL addiction? Even if I could get three - four hours of sleep, I would be extremely happy. Would make tapering far easier...
 
I'd think it could make things worse, due to extrapyramidal symptoms (look that up) which won't help your already nasty symptoms of withdrawal at all, but may add to them :\

Try Diphenhydramine instead.
 
fastandbulbous said:
If possible get a tapered script for diazepam to w/d from a GBL addiction rather than treat it with non-GABA based OTC sleep aids
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That worked for me. 50mg librium 4 x daily reduced over 11 days. I finished my detox on October 11 2009(I think) and I've lapsed twice since.

Just on topic it's not easy to get a tapered script, you have to go through the whole process of going to the addiction centre for 2/3 months first and then hope you don't fuck up during or after the detox because you have to go through the whole process again. If you wanna get off it though it's worth it.

5 years on GHB and GBL, with a brief period off it from October 07 to March 08, during which time I replaced it with prescribed benzos(70mg taper, don't ask) and booze, and I haven't had any since 26/11/09. I still have shit days, quite often tbh, feeling depressed, anxious etc, sleep is fine apart from the weird dreams which break the night up a bit. The shakes stopped sometime between now and new years and had been gradually getting less and less until gone. The only effect of not having it Im still getting is the body snaps, when you make yourself jump iykwim? That's getting less and less all the time as well. I don't crave it all either.

Good luck people.
 
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